American Idol 2012

[tlwmkw]

"Home" is number one on iTunes for downloaded singles- has been since the finale.

tlwmkw

 

[Mosca]

I stopped watching a few weeks ago. I sat in the same room while Mrs watched the award show. Ace & whats her name, that was cute. The rest of it, I didn't pay much attention to, and as soon as the winner was announced I went to bed.

But when it was a good show, a few years ago, it was really good. And this doesn't change that. AI at its best was right up there as a viewing phenomenon.

 

[timeos2]

The record low 21 million viewers showed that the interest in this year's show waned when the more entertaining - and probably overall talented - contestants were voted off by the "Vote for the Worst" and teenie votes (as best can be gleaned from the limited information available).

"Vote For The Worst" is having a field day as this is the first time in nearly a decade that the contestant they supported from the start (the one most obviously far below most of the others in talent although usually brimming with desire) won! Sad commentary on what had been an interesting show that has now been ruined by massive block voting for personalities / looks rather than entertainment / talent level and likelihood of commercial success.

As previously posted - it appears AI has jumped the shark and is now heading to the ash bin of once great shows. Too bad but it happens to even the best. Few have the gumption to go out on top like Seinfeld nearly did (only falling short on the much hyped final episode).

I'll be shocked if two years from now PP has even a Ruben level non-career as the winner.

 

[tlwmkw]

I guess the folks at "Vote for the Worst" must also be voting with their cash since "Home" is number one on iTunes. It's a bit ridiculous to say at this point what will happen in the future as far as a career is concerned but already Phillip is selling records and that is the bottom line in the music business. Now it's up to him to push through and make the career. Whether you like him or not there are many who do (myself included) and given the sales of this single the folks in the music business will certainly sit up and pay attention. He will be getting offered lots of great songs and help from producers. If he plays his cards right he could do very well.

Timeos- do you hate Dave Matthews, James Taylor, CCR, CSN&Y, and all the other successful WGWG's out there too? You certainly can do so but there are many performers/stars who aren't the best singers and who have still had enormous careers (ever here of Bob Dylan?).

JMHO, tlwmkw

 

[timeos2]

Timeos- do you hate Dave Matthews, James Taylor, CCR, CSN&Y, and all the other successful WGWG's out there too? You certainly can do so but there are many performers/stars who aren't the best singers and who have still had enormous careers (ever here of Bob Dylan?).

JMHO, tlwmkw

Except for Dave Matthews - the closest to PP - I like them all. I also fail to see what anyone hears worthwhile in Dave Matthews. The others had true talent and wrote interesting songs with great performances. Now I can't say PP absolutely won't be able to create original material that could be good but, based on what I heard over the 22-24 things he did on AI - it isn't going to happen. He has a two note "range", a repetitive style that I liked the first 3-4 times then it got worse than boring it was actually obnoxious.

Rubin (and all the others including those who came in as low as 5 or 6) also sold songs immediately after the show ended. Look at sales in two months and then a year & two years and, again, I'd be shocked if PP is a ripple on the calm music waters. I'll continue to enjoy Tom Waits classics and ignore PP barring an unexpected turn to talent I don't think he is capable of. YMMV.

 

[Elan]

There's a lot more to being successful in the music industry than having a good voice. If someone with an ok voice has connections and financial backing they are way ahead of an unknown that sings like a bird. A good example would be Miley Cyrus. She really has a pretty awful voice when away from the studio. She would not make it to Hollywood if auditioning for AI. But she has a musician dad with connections and money and, consequently, she's sold a lot of albums.

WRT Phil Phillips, more than anything, I question his desire to be mega-successful. He seems to be the type that would be happier scratching out a living doing what he wants to do than making millions being some record exec's pawn. I may be reading him wrong, but regardless, record sales certainly aren't a measure of ability.

 

[DaveNV]

Given the generally poor track record of AI winners in becoming mega-successful recording/performing superstars, I think the career PP will have will be entirely up to him. There are only a slim handful of AI winners who have gone on to become household names, and their career paths are quite varied. A greater number of AI non-winners have been more successful than most of the AI winners. And most of the whole bunch of them have faded back into obscurity. After the flush of popularity when the show ends, most AI contestants go back to being something far different than a superstar in the spotlight.

Dave

 

[SueDonJ]

Just want to mention that Phillip Phillips is supposed to be performing during tonight's A Capitol Fourth concert (8-9:30PM on PBS.)

 

[DaveNV]

Just want to mention that Phillip Phillips is supposed to be performing during tonight's A Capitol Fourth concert (8-9:30PM on PBS.)

Has he had his kidney surgery? Hope he's feeling better.

Dave

 

[Mosca]

I saw a video of him and his BiL performing "Home". It was better than his performances on AI. Not different; it was better of the same.

I'm still not really much of a fan, but I like the guy, he seems pretty genuine.

 

[SueDonJ]

Has he had his kidney surgery? Hope he's feeling better.

Dave

He did and he says his recovery is ahead of schedule, that the doctors are surprised but pleased. I'm glad for him that things seem to finally be going good.

 

[SueDonJ]

I saw a video of him and his BiL performing "Home". It was better than his performances on AI. Not different; it was better of the same.

I'm still not really much of a fan, but I like the guy, he seems pretty genuine.

I love the guy, have tried to convince any of my 19/20YO nieces to pack up their stuff and move to his hometown. I figure it's a small enough town that he'll have to get to know them and that way there's a chance he'll show up here for Sunday dinner. None of them are cooperating which makes no sense to me - if I was the right age for him I would have been there about halfway through the season!

If you can link that video here I'd love to see it. Please.

 

[Mosca]

Here you go, SueDon! It was actually pretty hard to find.

 

[SueDonJ]

Here you go, SueDon! It was actually pretty hard to find.

OOoooh, nice! Thanks so much!

 

[laurac260]

I was sure someone would dust off the AI thread to air the latest tidbit.

It seems...

Steven ---out

JLo---out

Randy--out?? Adam Lambert in??

I like all of those options. Now to get a "Simon"....

 

[SueDonJ]

I also saw something about Mariah Carey - In. Oh good lord, that will be it for me. Jennifer's straddling the line of acting much too young and inappropriate for her age, Mariah crossed that line a long time ago and is sickening. IMO, of course.

 

[scrapngen]

I also saw something about Mariah Carey - In. Oh good lord, that will be it for me. Jennifer's straddling the line of acting much too young and inappropriate for her age, Mariah crossed that line a long time ago and is sickening. IMO, of course.

I agree with you on the Mariah front. Nick Cannon is barely tolerable on AGT, and Mariah is so tacky/outrageous/hooker-esque but with less class/ with her dress and seems to be somewhat dim from everything I've seen through the years - (not that I follow her much - can't stand the stratosphere cat screeching) ...

Then there's the rumour that Charlie Sheen might be a judge
And that Randy is leaving. Frankly, my guess is it only makes one more season and then dies. It's already lost viewership with 2 years of JLo and Steven, and has been limping along...

 

[pjrose]

I love the guy, have tried to convince any of my 19/20YO nieces to pack up their stuff and move to his hometown. I figure it's a small enough town that he'll have to get to know them and that way there's a chance he'll show up here for Sunday dinner. None of them are cooperating which makes no sense to me - if I was the right age for him I would have been there about halfway through the season!

That's just how DD and I felt about Adam....not that he would have been interested.

I was sure someone would dust off the AI thread to air the latest tidbit.

It seems...

Steven ---out

JLo---out

Randy--out?? Adam Lambert in??

I like all of those options. Now to get a "Simon"....

ok, I heard Steven and JLo Out, but I didn't hear Randy Out(?) or Adam In (?). I hope Randy stays, and much as it'd be fun for me to watch Adam every week, I can't see him as a judge, maybe just a one-week mentor.

What about all our conversations up above about Jimmy? I agree that he's probably more useful coaching them as they prepare their performances, but surely there are others with his style. Just no more bubble-heads please.

 

[laurac260]

I also saw something about Mariah Carey - In. Oh good lord, that will be it for me. Jennifer's straddling the line of acting much too young and inappropriate for her age, Mariah crossed that line a long time ago and is sickening. IMO, of course.

I don't know, that's kind of unfair Sue. I mean after all, wouldn't you like to see Mariah finally earn enough money to be able to afford clothes that fit?

 

[pjrose]

I don't know, that's kind of unfair Sue. I mean after all, wouldn't you like to see Mariah finally earn enough money to be able to afford clothes that fit?

I say Yes, and DH says NO!

 

[tlwmkw]

I think they need some "behind the scenes talent" meaning producers like Jimmy Iovine or Simon Cowell who really know how to market and sell these singers. J.Lo. and Steven Tyler are the talent (at least Steven is) but they don't know how to judge others (as seen on the last two seasons) so much of what they said was completely useless. Simon and Jimmy have a much better, long term view of the business and could really give good advice. What about Tommy Mottola, or Usher (he discovered Bieber), or some other younger folks who we don't necesarily know but who can really add something? I think looking for someone who is already known (ala Celine or Mariah) is a mistake.

jmho, tlwmkw

 

[Mosca]

Judges should be Willie Nelson, Bob Dylan, and Courtney Love. THAT would be something I'd tune in to see, at least once!

 

[Elan]

Apparently Aretha has expressed interest in being a judge.

 

[geoand]

I say Yes, and DH says NO!

I'm with your DH!!!!!!

 

[SueDonJ]

I don't know, that's kind of unfair Sue. I mean after all, wouldn't you like to see Mariah finally earn enough money to be able to afford clothes that fit?

I say Yes, and DH says NO!

:hysterical: Funny, clever ladies!