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about to purchase resale HGVC in vegas. Usually book last minute is this right for me?

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So i usually vacation last minute like 1-2 months before. All this booking 9 months in advance or 12 months is scaring me? Will there be room 1-2 months before?

Also im planning using points no the actual home vacation.

Other than I cant convert to hilton points do i loose anything else since im buying re-sale?


my biggest worry is i get this and then 1-3 months before i try and book and it wont let me cause its full. Does that happen a lot?

Also do you ever convert to non-hilton resorts?
 

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also the one im about to buy is. I figure we really only go on vacation every 2 years so its perfect for us. question the MF is $1073 every 2 years but I have to pay the club dues every year right?

Also if i dont want to use for 2020 can i use 2021?

HILTON ELARA 4,800 POINTS

1 BEDROOM EVEN


Unit: 1 Bedroom/1 Bathroom
Usage: Biennially Starting 2020

Trading Company: RCI
Mortgage: Paid in Full, Title is Free & Clear
Maintenance Fee: $1,073.81 (Biennially)
 

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Depends on time of year and resort. People get best results with booking as far in advance as possible. Prime properties and seasons are in demand. Coming in at the tail end of the curve means lots of things people don’t want for a good reason are left if anything at all. Not that you can’t find anything, just as a prime strategy it is not great. You can convert to Hilton Honors points but it is a terrible way (in my opinion) to use your points. Same with booking via RCI, at least there is a bigger selection - But buying HGVC to book RCI is like leasing a 2020 Cadillac to deliver Uber eats.
 

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Where would you want to book? Any specific resort or just booking 1 to 2 months before traveling to a resort in general?
 

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If you want to book 1 or 2 months out, its possible that timesharing is not for you. Timesharing generally requires the ability to plan carefully far in advance. Its possible you will end up without any desirable, continuous nights available (in other words, only scraps will be available). I looked up April and May availability at the Elara just now, and you can get any size unit Monday-Friday easily. However, Friday and Saturday nights are mostly unavailable.
 

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Nothing specific. I usually plan our vacation 1-2 months before. I have a 2 year old and new baby coming next month?

So do you guys think buying a hilton timeshare will be a waste for me if i only plan 1-3 months in advance? and is 5k points every other year enough?

Also is the maint fee of $1073 reasonable for 4800 points?
 

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Booking a TS at least in HGVC isn’t like booking a hotel. Most places will be long completely or mostly booked at 1 to 2 months before travels. You can find some cancellations during the timeframe which you are talking about. But in general, if you do find something, it will be only some leftover units or cancellations. You will also soon be competing like many other families fighting for those units available only during school vacation times. Therefore, I wouldn‘t recommend purchasing a TS because I think that you will be very frustrated. That is my opinion, but others may have different opinions.

I actually make tenetive plans about two years ahead. I know exactly when the Home Booking and Club seasons windows open to implement the plans. That is just how I am planning now after getting into this.
 

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@goto35 , I think additional information is needed to help you.

A few notes:

Regarding your question: "Other than I cant convert to hilton points do i loose anything else since im buying re-sale?"
This is incorrect, you CAN convert to Hilton pts whether you buy resale or not. But like @tombanjo mentioned, this is poor use of pts. Do not buy a timeshare if you think you'll be converting to Hilton pts.

I suggest you look at the available locations for HGVC and decide if you are interested in these and make a decision based on that. PERSONALLY, I have not had success with RCI, but it's possible that I haven't given it a fair change and/or that my membership is too limited (only 3500 annual HGVC pts, perhaps I'm not pulling in trades that I would like because I would need higher pts and trading power?)

How much would you be paying for this 4800 EOY (Even) timeshare? You mentioned your MF would be $1073.81, but what would be your up front cost for it? Since it is a 4800 pts unit, it seems to be a Platinum 1 Bd. Most would tell you platinum is the way to go, but having an EOY will mean you still have to pay club dues ($182 in 2020, these increase over time just like MF) every year! (on the years you get your pts and on the years you don't). If you are thinking of using Open Season (the cash vs pts option for units unbooked 30 days or less before check-in) then you may not mind this, but it may annoy you to have to pay club dues if not getting any pts...

Overall, I think if you tell us why you are thinking about purchasing this then we can offer some more targeted advice for your consideration?
 

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BTW, regarding last minute travel, I personally think it is doable in a lot of locations IF you aren't trying to get to Marco Island or any of the gulf properties (you can forget about those, seriously) and IF you don't mind stays less than 1 week. For example, I could easily get into Elara in Vegas for New Years, not worried about it at all! Granted this will take PATIENCE and a lot of checking and checking back and checking again... but if you try to get a week in Hawaii in the dead of summer when school's out, I'd say this would be VERY DIFFICULT to book last minute unless someone cancels and, again, you have A LOT OF PATIENCE.
 

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so my upfront cost with closing and everything would be about $2,000-2500(this includes the MF that's already been paid).

So question guys WHAT do i lose when i do re-sale vs purchasing directly. If not hilton points then is it the status match? is that what i lose?
 

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exactly the same benefits as buying from developer, except they do not count towards "Elite" status. Many people consider elite benefits not worth the insane cost of buying only from developer.

 

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Like what @tombanjo said, HGV treat their resales customers very well.
 

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question boys if i dont use my 2020 points, how many years can i carry them over? Is there a cost for that?
 

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Another thing which might make a difference is where you live. My closest current HGVC resort is 6-1/2 hrs away. I wouldn’t take last minute trips that far. There is talk of building a new HGVC about 3 hours from my location. Now that I could see driving to last minute.
 

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question boys if i dont use my 2020 points, how many years can i carry them over? Is there a cost for that?
1 year in HGVC. 2years in RCI.
 

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Yes, you can book last minute but your intended destination matters. We own multiple TS so I use our HGVC to book short trips for 3-5 days depending on the season. Plus HGVC has open season which we love to use for our getaways. We are less than 2hrs away from Carlsbad so it works for us. However for our other TS, I book a year out because we are tied to school schedule.
 

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Im in los angeles so i think i have some choices near by for last minute.

Is it better to get less point and every year vs. 4800 point every other year? what makes more sense?
 

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I actually make tenetive plans about two years ahead. I know exactly when the Home Booking and Club seasons windows open to implement the plans. That is just how I am planning now after getting into this.

Each year we make plans for the following year. Since we never do Home Week, 9 months is the operative window and we do most of our HGVC bookings (even the easier-to-get like Big Island) at around that point.

Cheers.
 

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being a bit OCD, I created a spreadsheet showing my annual costs over 10 years with number of days of vacation and then cost per stay based on what property I was thinking of buying and where I would be staying. You can google the point charts or download the complete PDF of all properties. You will need a two bed room, or make sure the room sleeps 4. Different resorts have different configurations. Don't plan on magically having two kids not count as people per room. Here is an example where you can see a nice 2 br in Hawaii is 24,000 points and a low season in vegas is 3500. So the answer to how many points you need is season and location.

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PERSONALLY, I have not had success with RCI, but it's possible that I haven't given it a fair chance and/or that my membership is too limited (only 3500 annual HGVC pts, perhaps I'm not pulling in trades that I would like because I would need higher pts and trading power?)

Trading power is not a thing with HGVC. Think of it as "points are points." 3400 points will get you 7 nights in any one bedroom that is available on RCI. There are sometimes units available for fewer points, but the required points can't exceed 3400.
 

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Im in los angeles so i think i have some choices near by for last minute.

Is it better to get less point and every year vs. 4800 point every other year? what makes more sense?

If you are/will be a family of 4, 4800 points may not be enough for you, even every year. You will eventually want a 2 bedroom and 4800 EoY wouldn’t cut that. I would suggest a 7000 platinum 2 bedroom. It will give you the room your growing family needs.
 

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So i usually vacation last minute like 1-2 months before. All this booking 9 months in advance or 12 months is scaring me? Will there be room 1-2 months before?

Also im planning using points no the actual home vacation.

Other than I cant convert to hilton points do i loose anything else since im buying re-sale?


my biggest worry is i get this and then 1-3 months before i try and book and it wont let me cause its full. Does that happen a lot?

Also do you ever convert to non-hilton resorts?

Booking 1-2 months out there is always room but where? Someplace in the HGVC for some number of nights in some size unit there will be room. However, you will not necessarily get to book exactly where you want, in the size unit you want, for the number of nights you want. You are thinking of purchasing a 1 BR in the Elara. Well that is probably the most sought after HGVC timeshare in Las Vegas. By not booking 9-12 months out in a 1 BR you lose the home resort advantage you have by buying that unit in that resort. Then the entire HGVC club has the right to book from 9 months out to check in. Therefore, if you choose to book 1-2 months out the rest of the club will have from 9 months to say 2 months to book all the nights they want before you look to book your vacation.

Two months out you may be still able to book something in the Elara. It may be a 1 BR, however, it may also be a Studio and take less points but not have a full kitchen or a bedroom, or it may be a 2 BR or larger unit and take more points. The weekends in Las Vegas usually book up the quickest. Therefore, you may not be able to book a full week. You may only be able to book Sunday to Thursday. You may be able to book the other resorts in Las Vegas for the nights you want, However, they may not have as prime a location.

We go to Las Vegas in the early fall or mid spring. Late fall, winter and early spring are too cold for us to walk around at night, and summer is too hot to walk around during the day. You may be able to get what you want 1-2 months out during the slower periods like the winter when it is very cold or summer when it is very hot.

As far as booking HGVC units closer to home in California that is a possibility. While what I stated above still probably holds I haven't done it in California so I won't comment. I will say that the HGVC Club Open Season Benefit may be very useful for you. As a Club Member you can book any availability during the last 30 days by paying cash and not using points. While the costs for nights are not as low as they once were, they are usually reasonable as compared to booking hotel rates with resort fees.

In summary, in timesharing you want to book as early as possible so you have the best chance of getting what you want, where you want, when you want, and for as long as you want!
 
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Nothing specific. I usually plan our vacation 1-2 months before. I have a 2 year old and new baby coming next month?

So do you guys think buying a hilton timeshare will be a waste for me if i only plan 1-3 months in advance? and is 5k points every other year enough?

Also is the maint fee of $1073 reasonable for 4800 points?

In my humble opinion, you are not ready for a timeshare yet, stick with rentals, hotel, VRBO, airBNB, etc
 

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Different System but most of the people that are very unhappy with Worldmark are those that do not want to plan 12 to 13 months in advance but only a few months in advance. They discover that they can never get into Prime/High Demand Locations. There are Units available somewhere in the System but not where most people want to go.
 

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So i usually vacation last minute like 1-2 months before. All this booking 9 months in advance or 12 months is scaring me? Will there be room 1-2 months before?

Also im planning using points no the actual home vacation.

Other than I cant convert to hilton points do i loose anything else since im buying re-sale?


my biggest worry is i get this and then 1-3 months before i try and book and it wont let me cause its full. Does that happen a lot?

Also do you ever convert to non-hilton resorts?
Don’t buy if you are banking on booking a last minute trip in a specific location.
I recommend you do some research on here by reading some of the threads.
 
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