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[ 2017 ] New Westin Flex

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Only 10% of Nanea Resort View is in the Flex pool. 0% of Oceanfront & of course fixed weeks fixed rooms are not.
 

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Only 10% of Nanea Resort View is in the Flex pool. 0% of Oceanfront & of course fixed weeks fixed rooms are not.

Source? I don't think it's a surprise on the OF or fixed weeks.

I've started doing some test searches for 2021 with my small EOYO WFlex package (will be publishing my first set of results after March).

From what I can see after only three days in Flex is horrible for availability - no one should buy this ;)
 
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Source? I don't think it's a surprise on the OF or fixed weeks.

I've started doing some test searches for 2021 with my small EOYO WFlex package (will be publishing my first set of results after March).

From what I can only three days in Flex is horrible for availability - no one should buy this ;)
Yes just like Sheraton Flex, Westin Flex has combined a lot of low demand weeks and unused inventory along with a small % of units at Premium Resorts. The result of all this is that Flex owners find it hard to get "High Demand" weeks or locations.
The flex program is oversold and underdelivered, no one should buy these programs but buy aftermarket deeded weeks. We bought some weeks from the developer because they have stopped upgrades in a booming economy and people will pay!:shrug:
 

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Yes just like Sheraton Flex, Westin Flex has combined a lot of low demand weeks and unused inventory along with a small % of units at Premium Resorts. The result of all this is that Flex owners find it hard to get "High Demand" weeks or locations.
The flex program is oversold and underdelivered, no one should buy these programs but buy aftermarket deeded weeks. We bought some weeks from the developer because they have stopped upgrades in a booming economy and people will pay!:shrug:
I haven’t had an issue with Hawaii availability as a Flex owner. I even got a one bedroom at Nanea over Thanksgiving.
 

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I haven’t had an issue with Hawaii availability as a Flex owner. I even got a one bedroom at Nanea over Thanksgiving.

I use Westin Flex to add a few days to the front- or back-end of my weeks at WKORV-N and I've also had no problems in getting the days I need even during peak periods.
 

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Does this mean that there is no 3BR availability in Westin Flex? AFAIK those are all oceanfront.
 

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Does this mean that there is no 3BR availability in Westin Flex? AFAIK those are all oceanfront.

It does mean that for Nanea. However, there are usually 3-BR OF available at 8 months exclusive of some peak periods. Of course YMMV.
 

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It does mean that for Nanea. However, there are usually 3-BR OF available at 8 months exclusive of some peak periods. Of course YMMV.


Sorry, yes, I was referring to Nanea, which I had in my head but didn't type out specifically. I think that only matters insofar as someone wanting to buy 250k Westin Flexpoints to get a 3BR oceanfront room, but not finding it available.
 

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I’m curious....We don’t see much Westin Flex on the resale market. Is it due to it being a fairly new product or is there actually value here? It seemed with Sheraton Flex we started to resales on the market not too long after it’s launch.
 
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I’m curious....We don’t see much Westin Flex on the resale market. Is it due to it being a fairly new product or is there actually value here? It seemed with Sheraton Flex we started to resales on the market not too long after it’s launch.
I think it is two fold. Westin Flex is new and perhaps the demographic that Sheraton Flex targets vs Westin Flex. Vistana has two huge sales centers in Orlando selling Sheraton Flex. Likely mostly selling to young families and probably people that shouldn't be buying the product. Westin Flex is targeting a higher income level demographic and they likely aren't as eager to get out from under MFs as those buying Sheraton Flex.
 

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Westin Flex has quite a few Maui resorts and I can also see it appealing to folks who want the flexibility (and do not necessarily want to bother with StarOption trading)
 

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I think it is two fold. Westin Flex is new and perhaps the demographic that Sheraton Flex targets vs Westin Flex. Vistana has two huge sales centers in Orlando selling Sheraton Flex. Likely mostly selling to young families and probably people that shouldn't be buying the product. Westin Flex is targeting a higher income level demographic and they likely aren't as eager to get out from under MFs as those buying Sheraton Flex.

I think you’re right. The minimum buy-in for SFlex is lower than WFlex and the purchase price per SO is also less. I’m surprised at how many small (And really unusable) SFlex packages have come to the market.

WFlex buyers are likely more financially established. I have seen a few WFlex on RedWeek - and they seem to have gone at prices that were higher than I was expecting.

Westin Flex has quite a few Maui resorts and I can also see it appealing to folks who want the flexibility (and do not necessarily want to bother with StarOption trading)
There is a lot of Nanea in WFlex as well as the other Maui resorts and WPORV. These seem to be the resorts that most people want to use SO to trade into.

WFlex even on resale gives you access to these resorts at the 12 month mark. In this sense, a resale WFlex package is better than buying a mandatory WKV or SVV week to use for SO trading into Maui. Yes, the MF/SO isn’t as good compared to the mainland resorts, but it’s not bad compared to some of the island properties.

If you want to go spend a week in Maui during peak season, you're still better off with actually owning one of those weeks.

If you want to add a few days to a Maui stay or want a bit more flexibility on check-in day, without playing the SO lotto, then a resale WFlex may be part of a healthy TS portfolio.
 

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Is Westin Flex sold at a higher price per option by the developer then Sheraton ? I know it has a higher MF.
 

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Is Westin Flex sold at a higher price per option by the developer then Sheraton ? I know it has a higher MF.
When they first introduced it I think they were both the same. $0.37/HO.

Not sure on current pricing, but we purchased last August there was about a 10% premium for WFlex over SFlex in the purchase price after considering discounts. They offered a higher discount on SFlex to us vs. WFlex.
 

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Can anyone confirm if resale Flex HomeOptions can be traded like developer Flex Homeoptions in II? This was just pulled with my Flex unit. Unfortunately it’s for November 13th this year (not going to plan anything to Hawaii this year), but 67,100 points for a MKO 2BR is pretty good.

I can also see this with the the smaller 1BR SDO (plat) and my SVR 2BR. I’m actually pretty impressed with this SDO in II - trading power is very good. I’ve never traded in II (only getaways) - but I might have to try it out.

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Can anyone confirm if resale Flex HomeOptions can be traded like developer Flex Homeoptions in II? This was just pulled with my Flex unit. Unfortunately it’s for November 13th this year (not going to plan anything to Hawaii this year), but 67,100 points for a MKO 2BR is pretty good.

I can also see this with the the smaller 1BR SDO (plat) and my SVR 2BR. I’m actually pretty impressed with this SDO in II - trading power is very good. I’ve never traded in II (only getaways) - but I might have to try it out.

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This year is not a good indication of Trading-Power.
Due to COVID [Hawaii Restrictions], even Low-Power weeks are able to pull 2BR/3BR Marriott/Westin Hawaii weeks for Sep thru Dec 2020.
 

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Can anyone confirm if resale Flex HomeOptions can be traded like developer Flex Homeoptions in II? This was just pulled with my Flex unit. Unfortunately it’s for November 13th this year (not going to plan anything to Hawaii this year), but 67,100 points for a MKO 2BR is pretty good.

I can also see this with the the smaller 1BR SDO (plat) and my SVR 2BR. I’m actually pretty impressed with this SDO in II - trading power is very good. I’ve never traded in II (only getaways) - but I might have to try it out.

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I see it with my SVV 1Bedroom deluxe (44k SO) I see every week from September through 11/15/2020 so far.
 

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Ah - okay. That makes sense. Here I was thinking it was just the regular TDI chart they were using.
 

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Ah - okay. That makes sense. Here I was thinking it was just the regular TDI chart they were using.
According to Covid everything is a great trader this year! I suggest booking 2021 travel ASAP. Once people are more stir crazed and comfortable with traveling, inventory is going to be taken quickly. Especially with everyone’s banked and 2021 weeks
 

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I’m curious....We don’t see much Westin Flex on the resale market. Is it due to it being a fairly new product or is there actually value here? It seemed with Sheraton Flex we started to resales on the market not too long after it’s launch.

One just popped up on eBay.

 

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One just popped up on eBay.

Pretty high MF for the amount of points. Though does that amount on the listing possibly include the VSN fee?
 

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Pretty high MF for the amount of points. Though does that amount on the listing possibly include the VSN fee?
MF for flex is a little over 2 cents per point, so a little over $1300 for this eBay listing plus SVN fees

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MF for flex is a little over 2 cents per point, so a little over $1300 for this eBay listing plus SVN fees

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No SVN on resale. It’s voluntary.
 

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No SVN on resale. It’s voluntary.
I understand that, I am trying to figure out if the MF listed in the auction includes the VSN fee, and it looks like it does.
 
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