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[ 2013 ] New owner to Maui Westin Villas

Sorry, but what is MOC?

OFD = Ocean Front Deed? People were buying these outright at 425k?

OFD = Ocean Front Deluxe - these are the OF corner villas at WKORV in B2 and B3 (24 of them at WKORV). There are 12 OFC (OF center)

Sorry - corrected mistake - I meant $25K resale - meaning a few years ago, people were buying these at ~$25K, and now ROFR has been ~$34K.
SVO has these listed for some ridulous price (on paper) of ~$120K (!!!) - Originally were selling for ~$65K by SVO.

Quad - I did buy where I wanted to go, and bought villa type we wanted. I was just warning that to exchange into WKORV (either by SVN or II) - the chances of getting OFD is slim, and high floor OFD is very slim (never reported... and no reports of OFC being traded into). If you want OF WKORV - buy it. IMO

As to renting - not only do I rent the OFD studio, but also our 2 WKV 1Bd Prem/Plat (at a profit) - this severly helps offset our annual MFs. Also, friends go with us for 2 weeks in WSJ and EOY WPORV and pay for 1/2 of MFs - further reducing our very large MF output. More of a hassle than figuring out II, but with correct pricing - not that hard once you do a few.
 
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David,

We once got OFD once through SVN. Unfortunately it was the 3rd floor and looked into the trees. If you slouched down you could see the ocean from the lounge chairs. The good part is it was still a OFD and the trees blocked the setting sun.:D
 
David,

We once got OFD once through SVN. Unfortunately it was the 3rd floor and looked into the trees. If you slouched down you could see the ocean from the lounge chairs. The good part is it was still a OFD and the trees blocked the setting sun.:D

I think they have severely cut back those trees - 3rd floor OFD is excellent for a SVN exchange -low season? Our 1st year we were on 2nd (owner reserved for Thanksgiving), and it looked under trees (pre-trimming). Since then 5-6th pretty much. We live for sunsets and that large lanai (8.5x25sqft)
 
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I think they have severely cut back those trees - 3rd floor OFD is excellent for a SVN exchange -low season? Our 1st year we were on 2nd (owner reserved for Thanksgiving), and it looked under trees (pre-trimming). Since then 5-6th pretty much. We live for sunsets and that large lanai (8.5x25sqft)

D&R get the best views! Sunset from WKORV top floor is amazing. Thanks again!
 
There's a lot of information to digest. Maybe another example will help...

At the end of 2012, I was given (literally) from TUG members, 2 timeshare at Sheraton Vistana Resort (Orlando), and another 2 at Sheraton Broadway Plantation (Myrtle Beach). All four units are 2BR/2BA, and all are for the best seasons (eg Platinum.) The buyers paid the closing on all but one, so with the closing cost on that one unit, my total expense for "buying" 4 every year 2BR/2BA timeshares was about $250.

4 weeks every year - a total of $250 in up-front costs, and then about $3800 a year in maintenance fees. But for that $3800, I get 4 weeks of 2BR condos. About $135 a night. Or. compared to two hotel rooms, $68 a night per room.

(Oh, I forgot to mention, two of those units... the people who so graciously gifted them to me had not used their 2012 weeks, so I also got 2 weeks free.)

So far, using Interval International, I have traded one of those free weeks for a 2BR/2BA at the Westin Ka'anapali in December, and the second free week I have traded (again through Interval International) for the Kauai Westin Princeville Resort in December. I have also traded one of my 2013 weeks for the Marriot Ko Olina on Oahu.

Three weeks in hawaii, 2BR units:

$250 up front
$0 maintenance fees for week 1
$0 maintenance fees for week 2
$960 maintenance fees for week 3 (remember, this unit did NOT come with a free week, so I am counting the 2013 maintenance fee I paid on this unit:))
$417 (3 exchange fees at $139 each)
$89 for my 1 year Interval Internation membership fee
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TOTAL FOR 14 NITES AT WESTIN AND 7 NITES AT MARRIOTT:
$82/night or $41/bedroom

What did I give up by not being an owner who bought direct from Starwood?
  • I can't use Starwood's internal system for trades. But so what? My maintenance fees PLUS Interval International fees are still much lower than the maintenance fees for a developer-purchased unit in Hawaii
  • I don't have staroptions. No problem. I have 4 weeks of timeshares to use at a low price, I don't need the points.
  • I won't get the rooms with the best views at the resorts I traded into, but for me that's not important
  • I will have some nominal charges at these resorts that I would not have as an owner (e.g., maybe parking, maybe a resort fee, etc.)
  • I'm sure there are other things I have given up, but I can't think of them right now so they couldn't be that important to me LOL

LESSON: Listen to everything stated above. Figure out what's important to you, understand your different options for meeting your goals, THEN AND ONLY THEN should you consider buying (or taking some free weeks that someone graciously gives away.)
 
What did I give up by not being an owner who bought direct from Starwood?

You also gave up the opportunity to write a check for $40,000 to Starwood...

So, you were able to reallocate those proceeds ($40,000) elsewhere. If you invest the $40k in growth stock Mutual funds, you will be able to pay your annual MF based on the average rate of return (11%)

$40k x 11% = $4,400
Taxes (15%) = $660
Net Profit= $3,740/year

So essentially, your one time savings that a starwood owner would make buying retail can be used to fund ALL future maintenance fees.
 
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