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[2008] Westgate Resorts- Financial status

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We are owners at the Westgate Smoky Mountain Resort in Gatlinburg TN. In general we have been happy with our timeshare.

With the economy as it is, we were wondering if the Westgate system is financially stable? Where can we find information on the financial solvency of this timeshare system? Thanks.
 

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With the economy as it is, we were wondering if the Westgate system is financially stable? Where can we find information on the financial solvency of this timeshare system? Thanks.

you will not be able to find this information since it is private. But the owner has been quoted in newspapers talking about how bad the financing market is impacting his business. Then, last week, I heard that WEstgate is in trouble since their lender may be giving Westgate trouble.

So. the rumors are there, but nothing factual.
 

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We can hope its bad news for this group

The King was also crying to Florida taxpayers asking for a bailout last week. Sounds like trouble in the Kingdom! Couldn't happen to a better bunch. We can only hope this is finally able to topple the King and turn ownership/operation over to owners as it was supposed to have been 10 years ago. This is as unethical and obnoxious a company as can exist. It would be one small blessing if the credit crunch brings them to their knees (Maybe they can sell a few of the multimillion dollar homes to raise a few bucks?)
 

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The King was also crying to Florida taxpayers asking for a bailout last week. Sounds like trouble in the Kingdom! Couldn't happen to a better bunch. We can only hope this is finally able to topple the King and turn ownership/operation over to owners as it was supposed to have been 10 years ago. This is as unethical and obnoxious a company as can exist. It would be one small blessing if the credit crunch brings them to their knees (Maybe they can sell a few of the multimillion dollar homes to raise a few bucks?)

Yes, Mr. Siegel sure does give off a negative vibe. John is well known to dislike this company, but you are definitely not alone. Many do!!

I hear that he has some very serious problems with lack of financing. He actually had a meeting with some Middle Eastern investors looking for money, ie Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates.
 

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The King was also crying to Florida taxpayers asking for a bailout last week. Sounds like trouble in the Kingdom! Couldn't happen to a better bunch. We can only hope this is finally able to topple the King and turn ownership/operation over to owners as it was supposed to have been 10 years ago. This is as unethical and obnoxious a company as can exist. It would be one small blessing if the credit crunch brings them to their knees (Maybe they can sell a few of the multimillion dollar homes to raise a few bucks?)

X1000.

We are just a couple of many who have been crooked by wastegate!
 

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The economy causes many things...

you will not be able to find this information since it is private. But the owner has been quoted in newspapers talking about how bad the financing market is impacting his business. Then, last week, I heard that WEstgate is in trouble since their lender may be giving Westgate trouble.

So. the rumors are there, but nothing factual.

With the way the economy is and continues to be, people will certainly look into diverse ways of financing one's property. Hence it does not surprise me he would look into alternaste financing sources in this case presumably the Saudis. Why not? If the conditions are good and support the financial entity & owners, I believe its a good move.

In the demanding financial times, this is when RESERVES take on the important meaning one should always consider before buying a property owned by many, be it a condo, timeshare, or whatever. With the varying opinions being voiced on TUG and oither boards concerning Westgate, I seriously wonder if things could be better financially than they presently are. I know if the Westgate Resorts were to become owners' associations, there would be an immediate input from owners (a refreshing item) but could the owners' association create a better financial RESERVES balance sheet than exists now? :shrug:

It appears the present monopolistic developer association is running things straight from the book. Changes have been made which changed the status quo. How this affected others depnded on which side of the bathroom door you were standing when asked to define how long a minute is.

If one looks at the timeshare agreement/contract one signed when one bought (who in actuality really does read that at the time of purchase anyways :shrug: ), then one will see the developer has actually done what is allowed for the developer to do based on what is in the agreement/contract. There have been decisions which when made adveresely affected some and benefited others. That is true even in our local government entities when changes are made (examples would be zoning changes, code changes, etc...).

Foir example, at Westgate Lakes there are over 10,000 owners, renters or exchangers there at any one given time. It is quite difficult to maintain a set of guidelines all can agree to. It would seem one would need to makes decisions from the center and have the left and right leaning sections discontented at any decisions arrived at regardless opf wheher they were from developer or owner associations. Heck, there is quite a bit of dissatisfaction and owner discontent at timeshare resorts I have been in the past 10 years or so. People often can and do disagree with whatever decision is arraived at regardless it seems of hoiw well intended the people making the decisions were.

frenchieinme :hi:
 

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With the way the economy is and continues to be, people will certainly look into diverse ways of financing one's property. Hence it does not surprise me he would look into alternaste financing sources in this case presumably the Saudis. Why not? If the conditions are good and support the financial entity & owners, I believe its a good move.

In the demanding financial times, this is when RESERVES take on the important meaning one should always consider before buying a property owned by many, be it a condo, timeshare, or whatever. With the varying opinions being voiced on TUG and oither boards concerning Westgate, I seriously wonder if things could be better financially than they presently are. I know if the Westgate Resorts were to become owners' associations, there would be an immediate input from owners (a refreshing item) but could the owners' association create a better financial RESERVES balance sheet than exists now? :shrug:

It appears the present monopolistic developer association is running things straight from the book. Changes have been made which changed the status quo. How this affected others depnded on which side of the bathroom door you were standing when asked to define how long a minute is.

If one looks at the timeshare agreement/contract one signed when one bought (who in actuality really does read that at the time of purchase anyways :shrug: ), then one will see the developer has actually done what is allowed for the developer to do based on what is in the agreement/contract. There have been decisions which when made adveresely affected some and benefited others. That is true even in our local government entities when changes are made (examples would be zoning changes, code changes, etc...).

Foir example, at Westgate Lakes there are over 10,000 owners, renters or exchangers there at any one given time. It is quite difficult to maintain a set of guidelines all can agree to. It would seem one would need to makes decisions from the center and have the left and right leaning sections discontented at any decisions arrived at regardless opf wheher they were from developer or owner associations. Heck, there is quite a bit of dissatisfaction and owner discontent at timeshare resorts I have been in the past 10 years or so. People often can and do disagree with whatever decision is arraived at regardless it seems of hoiw well intended the people making the decisions were.

frenchieinme :hi:

The problem is when those "decisions" are underhanded and downright crooked. I will freely admit I made a huge mistake by not sitting down and reading that entire contract before I signed. My wife and I just wanted a place we could go on vacation every year and not have to deal with the hotels. We told the sales rep that we wanted to travel, use our unit anytime during the year since he explained the "floating week" concept. We made a mistake by trusting someone that we were buying what they said we were getting. I am a business owner and my customer base expects me to be upfront or I will lose my business, obviously the time share business doesn't work that way.
 

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Yup...

I am a business owner and my customer base expects me to be upfront or I will lose my business, obviously the time share business doesn't work that way.

I agree. Too often people put their faith in the hands of people (in the timeshare business these are the salespeople) who tend to say what is needed to get others to sign on the dotted line.

frenchieinme :hi:
 

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westgate smoky mt !? the hounest truth someone !

i purchsed the 1/2 time share interest value season -float week/float unit which i got the 1 bedroom deluxe cabin. my price was 8,300.98 ok i was ask why so i high he said that i got enroll in the interval gold and ice rewards program for 2 yrs at the end of my date of my contract i can renewel it or denine it .ok someone tell me did i get screw over or what?
 

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i purchsed the 1/2 time share interest value season -float week/float unit which i got the 1 bedroom deluxe cabin. my price was 8,300.98 ok i was ask why so i high he said that i got enroll in the interval gold and ice rewards program for 2 yrs at the end of my date of my contract i can renewel it or denine it .ok someone tell me did i get screw over or what?

As on your original thread - you are getting ripped off. Rescind NOW! Do not go through with the deal & don't let them talk you out of canceling. Really. It is a BAD deal.
 

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i purchsed the 1/2 time share interest value season -float week/float unit which i got the 1 bedroom deluxe cabin. my price was 8,300.98 ok i was ask why so i high he said that i got enroll in the interval gold and ice rewards program for 2 yrs at the end of my date of my contract i can renewel it or denine it .ok someone tell me did i get screw over or what?

You bought a one bedroom unit every other year during low season and paid over $8000. Like so many of us have done at least once, you paid full retail.

Since you used the term cabin I assume you are in Gatlinburg. That same $8000 on the resale market could have probably gotten you a two bedroom unit every year during high season. Maybe not even that much.

If you tried to resell your unit on the secondary market you wouldn't get much. Check ebay completed sales and see what they have actually sold for.
 

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The King was also crying to Florida taxpayers asking for a bailout last week.


I live in Florida, own Westgate properties, do believe the company has money problems and read the papers, but... I have not heard or read of any such bailout request other than on this board. Got any details or links to any articles that we can read about this first hand?

Wouldn't be surpirsed if he like other big companies in the state are out looking for tax brakes, it's just I haven't heard anything about him out crying to Florida taxpayers for a bailout.
 

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ake money and don't be shy to ask for more. Wastegate at work

I live in Florida, own Westgate properties, do believe the company has money problems and read the papers, but... I have not heard or read of any such bailout request other than on this board. Got any details or links to any articles that we can read about this first hand?

Wouldn't be surpirsed if he like other big companies in the state are out looking for tax brakes, it's just I haven't heard anything about him out crying to Florida taxpayers for a bailout.

It was early this year as I recall. I'll try a search to see if any of the reports are still on line. Remember when the King and some of his jesters were found guilty of sexual harassment the news stories were yanked within a week. Very strange and again shows the weight the big buffoon throws around in central FL. He found out he was a minnow when he tried playing in Vegas and it may yet cost him the whole ill-gotten empire.
 

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It was early this year as I recall. I'll try a search to see if any of the reports are still on line. Remember when the King and some of his jesters were found guilty of sexual harassment the news stories were yanked within a week. Very strange and again shows the weight the big buffoon throws around in central FL. He found out he was a minnow when he tried playing in Vegas and it may yet cost him the whole ill-gotten empire.

Conspiracy theorist I am not.

As for his sexual harrasmant news stories being yanked within a week... I just googled "david siegel sexual harrasment" and got over 5000 hits. So much for the news being yanked.

Please do see if you can find any info on the taxpayer bailout. I couldn't find any. He may very well want something but I would like to see what was asked for. I thought you said he asked for it last week. Now you say it was earlier in the year?

Yes the Vegas project couldn't have come at a worse time. I truly believe that is the main thing dragging the company down financially. Followed by tightened rules for getting loans of course.
 

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Too much never enough for Wastegate

The story appeared in the Orlando Sentinel either in January or March this year as I read it in the actual paper while in Orlando. I searched every known news source for a bunch of key words and get nothing now.

It basically said that the King felt timeshare - and most importantly HIS timeshares - had created a lot of jobs in Central Florida and now they should get a bailout for the tough times. Obviously the idea went no where as it shouldn't have. I'll keep an eye open in case it shows up someplace again.
 

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I had some friends in Orlando telling me people are filing quck claim deeds of their properties back to the resorts.

Anybody else know about this?
 

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I wouldn't count on it, if they are really in financial trouble the last thing they'd want to do is take back properties that have MF attached, when they have plenty inventory to sell atm.
 

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Quitclaim Is Not An Automatic Quick & Easy Out.

I had some friends in Orlando telling me people are filing quck claim deeds of their properties back to the resorts.

Anybody else know about this?
Filing a quitclaim deed does nothing unless the recipient is willing to accept the ownership transfer.

Some timeshare resorts will accept deedbacks & others won't. There are sound grounds both ways.

It's important to find out the particular timeshare's deedback acceptance policies & practices before filing a quitclaim deed willy-nilly & assuming that takes you off the hook for the timeshare.

-- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
 

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The story appeared in the Orlando Sentinel either in January or March this year as I read it in the actual paper while in Orlando. I searched every known news source for a bunch of key words and get nothing now.

It basically said that the King felt timeshare - and most importantly HIS timeshares - had created a lot of jobs in Central Florida and now they should get a bailout for the tough times. Obviously the idea went no where as it shouldn't have. I'll keep an eye open in case it shows up someplace again.

Hi! I've just stumbled upon these threads and would like an opinion please.
We both lost our jobs last May and we now owe Wastegate a lot of money because we haven't been able tokeep up the repayments. Yes, I know we went about buying TS all the wrong way, we just got sucked in like a whole lot of others and no-one feels more STUPID than we do, but my question is this...if they go "belly up" where does that leave folks like us?:shrug: :bawl:
 

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Hi! I've just stumbled upon these threads and would like an opinion please.
We both lost our jobs last May and we now owe Wastegate a lot of money because we haven't been able tokeep up the repayments. Yes, I know we went about buying TS all the wrong way, we just got sucked in like a whole lot of others and no-one feels more STUPID than we do, but my question is this...if they go "belly up" where does that leave folks like us?:shrug: :bawl:

Unfortunately the company going "belly up" doesn't change anything regarding your obligations to pay back any loan you have or the annual fees. Who you owe it to may change but that's it. In fact collection efforts might become even tougher as they look for cash to support / bailout the company. It is no answer to whatever you may owe them.
 

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Unfortunately the company going "belly up" doesn't change anything regarding your obligations to pay back any loan you have or the annual fees. Who you owe it to may change but that's it. In fact collection efforts might become even tougher as they look for cash to support / bailout the company. It is no answer to whatever you may owe them.

Thanks for your input.You may have mis-understood the reason for my question.The who I owe it to part was relevant,however,I was not looking for some magical way out of my obligations.But thanks anyway!
 
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