[Closed - new thread started] Will Hawaii Open by [OCTOBER???] [Please use this thread for all Hawaii Coronavirus discussions]

[lynne]

This certainly doesn't help the case for opening:

Investigator: Visitors are skipping out on quarantine rules by going inter-island

"It's a shame how many people are doing that and I think a very small percentage of them are getting arrested."

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

 

[Tamaradarann]

Well, it certainly could. But I'll be the hotel managers will really start getting annoyed, if they aren't already. Pretty hard to get ready to open and have the goal posts keep moving. I'd assume that IF Sept. 1 is going to slip to Oct 1, they'll have to announce that in the next week or two.

However, his reason -- because they can't tell who must quarantine from who doesn't have to, is really a pretty weak argument since almost everyone coming over will probably have received a negative test... its not like they have a flood of people coming over to quarantine. And if that's the concern, they won't be able to open until a vaccine is widespread, which is probably a year away.

That is true they DON'T HAVE a flood of people coming over to quaratine right now, however, if they lift the quaratine with a negative test there will be alot more people coming over and some of them will NOT have negative tests, and with so many people coming it will be impossible to identify those that should be quarantined. That is why I suggested that they ANNOUCE and then IMPLEMENT a policy to escort to a central guarded location anyone who didn't test negative for the Coronavirus. I believe the threat of that with no possibility of violation will reduce if not eliminate entirely all those that intend to violate the 14 day quarantine order.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Well, it certainly could. But I'll be the hotel managers will really start getting annoyed, if they aren't already. Pretty hard to get ready to open and have the goal posts keep moving. I'd assume that IF Sept. 1 is going to slip to Oct 1, they'll have to announce that in the next week or two.

This is an interesting thought. A friend of ours who lives in Honolulu correctly told us that the Halekolani Hotel was staying closed until sometime next year, then he incorrectly, at least for now, said that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, which is where we usually stay, was staying closed until January 1. When I heard that my reaction was that the Top Management of the Hilton Hawaiian Village in concert with Central HGVC had had ENOUGH of the wait another month, wait another month that the Governor has been dictating. Furthermore, I don't know how the pay situation is for the Personnel at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. I would assume the hourly union employees have been laid off and are collecting unemployment insurance, however, the Managerial Employees may have been kept on the payroll since April when the HHV closed. I would immagine that some of the Managerial Employees would lose a considerable amount of income being on unemployement insurance even with the $600 surcharge. How long could and would HGVC and Hilton Hotels keep Managerial Employees on the dole for doing nothing? If you are making those decisions you think well another month is OK, but another 3 months, 6 months ...?

 

[csodjd]

This is an interesting thought. A friend of ours who lives in Honolulu correctly told us that the Halekolani Hotel was staying closed until sometime next year, then he incorrectly, at least for now, said that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, which is where we usually stay, was staying closed until January 1. When I heard that my reaction was that the Top Management of the Hilton Hawaiian Village in concert with Central HGVC had had ENOUGH of the wait another month, wait another month that the Governor has been dictating. Furthermore, I don't know how the pay situation is for the Personnel at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. I would assume the hourly union employees have been laid off and are collecting unemployment insurance, however, the Managerial Employees may have been kept on the payroll since April when the HHV closed. I would immagine that some of the Managerial Employees would lose a considerable amount of income being on unemployement insurance even with the $600 surcharge. How long could and would HGVC and Hilton Hotels keep Managerial Employees on the dole for doing nothing? If you are making those decisions you think well another month is OK, but another 3 months, 6 months ...?

Since the Governor appears to be moving in monthly increments, about monthly, HHV and others like it (that is, big enough organizations) are probably trying to keep themselves able to open in 3-4 weeks time, and not “so” shut down that it would take them 6-8 weeks to reopen. But that would cost more to be sure. And one must wonder if they really care all that much that they be open on day 1 when tourism can return. Perhaps they just decide that, once the Governor gives the go ahead, they’ll plan to be open within 4 weeks of that open date since the number of visitors arriving on day 1, or even day 7, will be small.

 

[DannyTS]

This is an interesting thought. A friend of ours who lives in Honolulu correctly told us that the Halekolani Hotel was staying closed until sometime next year, then he incorrectly, at least for now, said that the Hilton Hawaiian Village, which is where we usually stay, was staying closed until January 1. When I heard that my reaction was that the Top Management of the Hilton Hawaiian Village in concert with Central HGVC had had ENOUGH of the wait another month, wait another month that the Governor has been dictating. Furthermore, I don't know how the pay situation is for the Personnel at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. I would assume the hourly union employees have been laid off and are collecting unemployment insurance, however, the Managerial Employees may have been kept on the payroll since April when the HHV closed. I would immagine that some of the Managerial Employees would lose a considerable amount of income being on unemployement insurance even with the $600 surcharge. How long could and would HGVC and Hilton Hotels keep Managerial Employees on the dole for doing nothing? If you are making those decisions you think well another month is OK, but another 3 months, 6 months ...?

It may also be related to the local taxes. I do not know the rules but it seems logical that a hotel that is closed, without visitors and income should pay a lower rate. They may end up burning less if they close them for few months than if they keep them open for just few visitors.

 

[luv_maui]

That is true they DON'T HAVE a flood of people coming over to quaratine right now, however, if they lift the quaratine with a negative test there will be alot more people coming over and some of them will NOT have negative tests, and with so many people coming it will be impossible to identify those that should be quarantined. That is why I suggested that they ANNOUCE and then IMPLEMENT a policy to escort to a central guarded location anyone who didn't test negative for the Coronavirus. I believe the threat of that with no possibility of violation will reduce if not eliminate entirely all those that intend to violate the 14 day quarantine order.

looks like the essence of your idea is being implemented in Bahamas. one Is allowed to entered as long as:

U.S. travelers are allowed into the Bahamas again --after a 14-day quarantine - The Points Guy

After closing its borders to U.S. travelers last week, the Bahamas changed its mind yet again. Tourists can visit -- but only after going through a 14-day quarantine.

thepointsguy.com

“Tourists are now expected to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival at their own expense in a government facility — as well as taking a PCR COVID-19 test at the end of quarantine. However, they aren’t required to take a test before coming to the country.“

 

[Clifbell]

I have had one Hawaii vacation postponed in May due to the Quarantine that I had planned for a year.... I now have a new one scheduled for me and my 3 adults kids ... But now I have come up with a plan B .... No flying.... I live in Arizona, so maybe I should just do an out of the way vacation in California, Oregon, or Washington? I created a video to discuss the options which can be found at

. I am looking for any ideas, I am thinking about out of the way places and off peak.

 

[travelove]

I have had one Hawaii vacation postponed in May due to the Quarantine that I had planned for a year.... I now have a new one scheduled for me and my 3 adults kids ... But now I have come up with a plan B .... No flying.... I live in Arizona, so maybe I should just do an out of the way vacation in California, Oregon, or Washington? I created a video to discuss the options which can be found at

. I am looking for any ideas, I am thinking about out of the way places and off peak.

Love your video. Goodluck wherever you decide to stay!

 

[Clifbell]

Love your video. Goodluck wherever you decide to stay!

It is certainly a challenging time to travel. The choices seem so different than just six months ago. But the ocean is still beautiful.

 

[csodjd]

It is certainly a challenging time to travel. The choices seem so different than just six months ago. But the ocean is still beautiful.

I’ll be taking my first endeavor a week from Saturday as I fly from LAX to Charlotte, then drive in a rental car to Pinehurst. I’m not very worried about it (my wife is). My main concern is the challenge of remaining masked for about 7 hours airport to airport.

 

[Tamaradarann]

I’ll be taking my first endeavor a week from Saturday as I fly from LAX to Charlotte, then drive in a rental car to Pinehurst. I’m not very worried about it (my wife is). My main concern is the challenge of remaining masked for about 7 hours airport to airport.

You have to change planes? That is truly a bummer. I guess you can take your mask off for eating and if you need to blow your nose. One of the chalenges that I have with the Coronavirus is that I have a deviatied septus and a rinitus condition and my nose runs quite a bit particularly in the cold or also cool air conditioning. So that I need to wash my hands or use disinfectant so I can blow my nose. At times it runs so much that I need to do it many times in a hour. I do take antihistamines to slow it down which it does however, sometimes it still just runs less.

 

[DavidnRobin]

Or don’t go!
Maui/Hawaii’s population is relatively SARS-Cov-2 naive. This means from a viral transmission standpoint, it is just a matter of time for a outbreak unless a vaccine is successful. This is how viruses work. This is more about the people living on Maui/Hawaii than an ‘inconvenience’ of not vacationing. Herd immunity won’t help as Maui/Hawaii is isolated - think Native Americans when Europe ‘discovered’ them. Europeans had herd immunity against diseases that the naive native population did not have.
#Science


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[csodjd]

You have to change planes? That is truly a bummer. I guess you can take your mask off for eating and if you need to blow your nose. One of the chalenges that I have with the Coronavirus is that I have a deviatied septus and a rinitus condition and my nose runs quite a bit particularly in the cold or also cool air conditioning. So that I need to wash my hands or use disinfectant so I can blow my nose. At times it runs so much that I need to do it many times in a hour. I do take antihistamines to slow it down which it does however, sometimes it still just runs less.

No plane change... I’m in LA. Fortunately I don’t have those issues with my nose. I’ll probably take a shot of Afrin just to be sure I can easily and comfortably breath through it with the mask on.

One of the interesting new findings is that most infection occurs through the nose. So as best I can, I’ll use a straw to drink and keep my mask over my nose even if/when exposing my mouth. I’m monitoring seating. I’m in first row, window, FC, with nobody next to me. I’m scheduling a test 5 days before I go, and upon return.

 

[Tamaradarann]

No plane change... I’m in LA. Fortunately I don’t have those issues with my nose. I’ll probably take a shot of Afrin just to be sure I can easily and comfortably breath through it with the mask on.

One of the interesting new findings is that most infection occurs through the nose. So as best I can, I’ll use a straw to drink and keep my mask over my nose even if/when exposing my mouth. I’m monitoring seating. I’m in first row, window, FC, with nobody next to me. I’m scheduling a test 5 days before I go, and upon return.

The fact that most infections comes through the nose makes sense since this is such a respiratory attacking virus. Why are you scheduling tests 5 days before and upon return, is there a 14 day quarantine in North Carolina?

 

[csodjd]

The fact that most infections comes through the nose makes sense since this is such a respiratory attacking virus. Why are you scheduling tests 5 days before and upon return, is there a 14 day quarantine in North Carolina?

No, much more pragmatic reasons. My step-daughter won't let my wife/her mom hold her just turned 1 granddaughter unless we've quarantined for 14 days, which is pretty much impossible in my life. Just one trip to the market and she says no seeing the baby! So we're taking advantage of my being gone for 11 days. We're both going to test, quarantine for a few days before I leave until the test results, and that will allow Pam about 10 days of playing with her granddaughter for the first time since Feb. And I'll test when I get home to put my wife at ease that I didn't get infected on my trip. Trust me, the Gov. of Hawaii is no match for my step-daughter when it comes to staying safe from COVID! There would be ZERO COVID in Hawaii if she was Governor.

 

[amy241]

Or don’t go!
Maui/Hawaii’s population is relatively SARS-Cov-2 naive. This means from a viral transmission standpoint, it is just a matter of time for a outbreak unless a vaccine is successful. This is how viruses work. This is more about the people living on Maui/Hawaii than an ‘inconvenience’ of not vacationing. Herd immunity won’t help as Maui/Hawaii is isolated - think Native Americans when Europe ‘discovered’ them. Europeans had herd immunity against diseases that the naive native population did not have.
#Science


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They have the same immunity that everyone else has to this - none. Theirs is no different.

 

[klpca]

Well I just used eplus to switch our II coded ocean view unit (Ko Olina) into a unit at Timber Lodge in October. I still have the SFX week on the Big Island and when I have the patience to deal with it, I will call them and see what I can do with that week. In reading the recent news in Hawaii it just doesn't bode well for our trip in mid-September, and with the way the virus is going at this point we are also getting skittish about the time on the plane. I rescheduled this trip about two months ago based upon how things were progressing in countries that were further along in dealing with the virus than the US, but it has become clear that our trends are not going to mirror theirs. Oh well, at this point flexibility is key and our vacation is a true first world problem. On to plan B.

 

[Luanne]

We pulled the plug on our plans to go back to Maui in March 2021 and put in a request for March 2022. We trade with Trading Places Maui since we own at Maui Hill. I talked to the owner/manager and asked her if they are open. She said the rental side of the resort is closed down, but the timeshare portion is open. They have very few guests, only those who traveled inter island, or those willing to quarantine for 14 days. She said one couple who quarantined, had several other weeks with them, then ended up renting a house as they didn't want to return to California. She told me they did have a week for us March 2021, but we let that go. She found one week, end of March 2022 so we took that. I also have another request in for a consecutive week. When I got the confirmation email there are several things in the dealing with the pandemic.

 

[Tucsonadventurer]

We have 2 months scheduled for Jan/ Feb. I would go if it was quarantine bubble but being from AZ we will most likely be excluded.. My husband couldn't handle 2 weeks in a condo .

 

[slip]

January, February and March are still a long way off. There will probably be a lot of changes by then.

 

[1Kflyerguy]

I am canceling our plans for Oct,. I had mostly just left the reservations in place in case things stabilized, but everything is going in the wrong direction. Now just have to decide if i try for Spring or fall next year..

Everything is in such a state of flux that you only only make a guess about the state of the travel industry and personal comfort levels..

 

[Tamaradarann]

I am canceling our plans for Oct,. I had mostly just left the reservations in place in case things stabilized, but everything is going in the wrong direction. Now just have to decide if i try for Spring or fall next year..

Everything is in such a state of flux that you only only make a guess about the state of the travel industry and personal comfort levels..

We just cancelled our plans for November/December. We still have January 2021 reservations, however, they are just place holders for HGVC reservations and points right now. We are looking at Fall 2021 as our earliest date to go back to Honolulu. Late Spring and Summer on Long Island is the best time of the year so we don't need to go to Hawaii. Hopefully by Fall 2021 there will be an effective vaccine for this virus and things will get back to something that resembles normalcy.

 

[csodjd]

We just cancelled our plans for November/December. We still have January 2021 reservations, however, they are just place holders for HGVC reservations and points right now. We are looking at Fall 2021 as our earliest date to go back to Honolulu. Late Spring and Summer on Long Island is the best time of the year so we don't need to go to Hawaii. Hopefully by Fall 2021 there will be an effective vaccine for this virus and things will get back to something that resembles normalcy.

We're still holding onto our late Oct-Nov reservations because, why not? No penalty for waiting. I figure if the Gov is going to extend the Sept 1 date to Oct 1, that should be announced this coming week. I don't think he'll wait until the end of the month and leave hotels, etc., hanging that way. My wife had a COVID test on Wed this week here just north of Los Angeles, and had results in under 24 hours, so at least THAT appears to be working better. With COVID, 30 days makes a big difference, in either direction. I expect Oahu to be < 50 cases/day, or even better, by the end of August. Cautiously optimistic, but watching carefully.

 

[Blues]

We just cancelled our plans for November/December. We still have January 2021 reservations, however, they are just place holders for HGVC reservations and points right now. We are looking at Fall 2021 as our earliest date to go back to Honolulu.

We're in a similar situation. Made a couple of Big Island reservations when HGVC was offering for no fee a couple of months ago. Then a couple of weeks ago moved them to mid-April. Hopeful that April may be doable, but we can move them back to any date in 2021. Will monitor the situation.

Funny, when I moved them I had to acknowledge the quarantine situation in Hawaii, and that we couldn't use a timeshare on the BI for quarantine. We have no intention to use it if the quarantine is still in effect.

 

[slip]

We're still holding onto our late Oct-Nov reservations because, why not? No penalty for waiting. I figure if the Gov is going to extend the Sept 1 date to Oct 1, that should be announced this coming week. I don't think he'll wait until the end of the month and leave hotels, etc., hanging that way. My wife had a COVID test on Wed this week here just north of Los Angeles, and had results in under 24 hours, so at least THAT appears to be working better. With COVID, 30 days makes a big difference, in either direction. I expect Oahu to be < 50 cases/day, or even better, by the end of August. Cautiously optimistic, but watching carefully.

I think you are correct, the Governor should make the announcement soon if the quarantine will be moved to October, which I think it will. After that who knows, depends on the numbers.