Worst eBay WSJ listing of all time

[carpie99]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/283650567753

 

[echino]

This is Coral Vista. Pass.

 

[DavidnRobin]

A long-time ago, I sent eBay sellers notes on inaccuracies in their ads. No more... waste of time.


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[controller1]

A long-time ago, I sent eBay sellers notes on inaccuracies in their ads. No more... waste of time.


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I've done the same. As you said, it was a waste of time. I probably sent over a dozen and never received a reply nor was the listing ever changed.

 

[SandyPGravel]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/283650567753

That's pretty bad!

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[PamMo]

But, come on, he has 554 (100%) positive ratings, so you can be assured it's a great deal!!!

 

[carpie99]

They did not appreciate note to try to help them with their listing:

Who are you ?! Why would you even look at my item? If you’re an expert on Marriott products you should get a job with them.. if you had half brain you could’ve asked me than I would be happy to answer any questions for you.
Here is few FACTS at least to make you look dawn ass: look bellow to my account Idiot : than here is the phone number for customer service ask them about mandatory resorts 18003077312.
Tell them Coral Vista Phase.
When you have all the answers don’t forget to email me back with an apology.

 

[YYJMSP]

They did not appreciate note to try to help them with their listing:

Who are you ?! Why would you even look at my item? If you’re an expert on Marriott products you should get a job with them.. if you had half brain you could’ve asked me than I would be happy to answer any questions for you.
Here is few FACTS at least to make you look dawn ass: look bellow to my account Idiot : than here is the phone number for customer service ask them about mandatory resorts 18003077312.
Tell them Coral Vista Phase.
When you have all the answers don’t forget to email me back with an apology.

um, wow, i'm speechless...

 

[vacationtime1]

They did not appreciate note to try to help them with their listing:

Who are you ?! Why would you even look at my item? If you’re an expert on Marriott products you should get a job with them.. if you had half brain you could’ve asked me than I would be happy to answer any questions for you.
Here is few FACTS at least to make you look dawn ass: look bellow to my account Idiot : than here is the phone number for customer service ask them about mandatory resorts 18003077312.
Tell them Coral Vista Phase.
When you have all the answers don’t forget to email me back with an apology.

Just think about how much fun it would be to be in contract with this clown if anything went wrong (regardless of why).

 

[carpie99]

I was planning to let it go but couldn't help myself ... I won't do it on another eBay listing.

Let me explain further how wrong you are in detail.

First ... I am an owner at WSJ and let me share with you that the Virgin Grand Villas phase (on the hillside) is the only part of the resort that is mandatory. Bay Vista, Coral Vista, and Sunset Bay Phases are all voluntary phases and StarOptions don't transfer on resale.

Second, there are three seasons. Platinum Plus (Weeks 1-18, 51-52), Platinum (Weeks 19-33), and Gold Plus (Weeks 34-50). You own a 2 bedroom for weeks 19-33. That is your home season. To help a fellow timeshare owner out I have included a picture of the StarOptions Chart for WSJ Coral Vista.

Third, the resale owner will only be able to use his points in the Platinum Plus season 19-33

Fourth, the ability to transfer into BonVoy Points is only available to people who buy from the developer, regardless if is a mandatory or voluntary resort. (I own both developer and resale weeks).

I have all the answers.

Feel free to send ME back an apology and also a thank you for an explanation on how your timeshare works.

Recommendations on your new listing ... I would include the phase and season you are selling in addition to the fact that you are selling WSJ Home Options and not StarOptions. I would also add what the yearly maintenance fees are.

Here is an older Sunset Bay eBay listing I found which has the same limitations on resale as Coral Vista. I would use that as a guide for your new listing.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Westin-St-...560049?hash=item3fc8aa8cf1:g:csEAAOSwkHxcNmhE

Have an awesome day. Good luck with your resale.

 

[PamMo]

Wow! That's an amazingly rude reply from the seller, carpie99! What a jackass.

 

[SandyPGravel]

I kind of wanted to know how the 2020 fees are already paid when the MF bills haven't come out yet? Or did I mis-read the ad?

I agree @PamMo what a jackass!!

I kinda want to reply to his ad and ask questions to see his answers.

 

[carpie99]

Well ... different result from my last note:

Thank you for the explanation ??!! That was not we were told at the sales presentation ?! So we were given all wrong information about this nightmare. I will be reaching to Marriott for an explanation.
What will be fair price to sell it.
I will editing the listing from your model.

Thank you

 

[LisaRex]

Looks like they changed their ad. Now it reads:

"Here is your chance to own an Annual Membership Property (Does Not Expire) at a bargain price. 148,100 ANNUAL Home Points at Westin St. John Resort and Villas - Coral Vista Villas (These points can only be used at coral vista during Floating weeks 19-33). All fees are current with mortgage paid in full, you will receive clear title guaranteed or issued a full price refund! Usage and fees are Annual and will begin this year in 2020. Maintenance fees are billed annually in the amount of $2400. The 2019 maintenance fees have been paid in full. Buyer to be responsible for reimbursement of these fees at auction's end. Own this unit now at a fraction of the original developer price!! This item is a NO Reserve auction and will be sold to the highest bidder. Westin has the Right of First Refusal. Should they exercise their right, buyer will be refunded in full or a replacement located.

If you have additional questions about this auction please contact us via email."

 

[carpie99]

I actually now feel a little bad for them ... I can't imagine how expensive the purchase was.

They sent me a third note asking me to review their posting ... I told them they will have to remove the part about crediting 2019 fees considering the season is over.

I told them they are likely better off keeping the timeshare as the maintenance fees to star options isn't crazy horrible and they do have priority in St. John. I did ask them why they are selling. If they could afford the initial outlay I have a hard time believing that the $2400 a year is really a financial backbreaker.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I usually have included a link to the Vistana (then Starwood) forum on TUG.

Sales can be so convincing. I have a friend that bought CV and never used it. Same with another friend and WPORV.

Good to see the eBay response back - I had sellers tell me to mind my own business.

Most Vistana owners do not understand their ownership, or use it to its fullest.


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[LisaRex]

Weren't they selling these platinum units for $50k or so? That's a big loss and as a buyer I'd do some due diligence to ensure that he actually owns it (and isn't carrying a note on it). I cannot imagine paying $50k 5 years ago, and then selling it for $1500.

Depending on what it sells for, it could actually be a pretty good deal for someone if they were planning to go to St. John every year. I'd consider buying it, but after all these horrible hurricanes, I wouldn't take the chance on owning any property in the Caribbean. 3 of the 5 places where I've personally vacationed in the last 7 years (St. John, St. Martin, and The Abacos (Bahamas)) were subsequently devastated by hurricanes. Only Grand Cayman and Paradise Island (Bahamas) have been spared major damage, but the warming of the Atlantic is not boding well for island dwellers.

Luckily, WSJ owners had decent insurance, but it will be interesting to see if Caribbean TS owners will be socked with a huge increase in insurance premiums.

P.S. Looking at other ebay listings, it is mind blowing how little they are asking for deeded units. A 3 bdrm in June for $599. So tempting!

 

[SandyPGravel]

The only issue I see with the update is referring to ROFR. Nice to see they changed their tune and fixed the ad.

 

[carpie99]

The only issue I see with the update is referring to ROFR. Nice to see they changed their tune and fixed the ad.

I didn't wanted to kick him when he was down about ROFR ... they won't exercise it ... ha ha

 

[SteelerGal]

Weren't they selling these platinum units for $50k or so? That's a big loss and as a buyer I'd do some due diligence to ensure that he actually owns it (and isn't carrying a note on it). I cannot imagine paying $50k 5 years ago, and then selling it for $1500.

Depending on what it sells for, it could actually be a pretty good deal for someone if they were planning to go to St. John every year. I'd consider buying it, but after all these horrible hurricanes, I wouldn't take the chance on owning any property in the Caribbean. 3 of the 5 places where I've personally vacationed in the last 7 years (St. John, St. Martin, and The Abacos (Bahamas)) were subsequently devastated by hurricanes. Only Grand Cayman and Paradise Island (Bahamas) have been spared major damage, but the warming of the Atlantic is not boding well for island dwellers.

Luckily, WSJ owners had decent insurance, but it will be interesting to see if Caribbean TS owners will be socked with a huge increase in insurance premiums.

P.S. Looking at other ebay listings, it is mind blowing how little they are asking for deeded units. A 3 bdrm in June for $599. So tempting!

Yes. Hyatt PR owners just received nearly a 50% increase for 2020. And the resort is still not open. Talk about being kicked in the teeth while down.

 

[carpie99]

I have continued talking to the person ... classic case where they just don't know how to use it. I have been trying to help them but I think they are too angry about getting screwed by the sales people.

 

[LisaRex]

Yes. Hyatt PR owners just received nearly a 50% increase for 2020. And the resort is still not open. Talk about being kicked in the teeth while down.

That stinks. Is that a 50% increase in insurance premiums or 50% increase in total MFs?

 

[LisaRex]

I have continued talking to the person ... classic case where they just don't know how to use it. I have been trying to help them but I think they are too angry about getting screwed by the sales people.

I can imagine. They'd probably do far better financially if they kept it and tried to rent it.

 

[carpie99]

Oh well I tried to convert them .... $47,000 lit on fire

We have 420,000 banked options.
We paid around $35K for the unit plus 5 years of Fees $12K . The kids schedule and the places we go doesn’t fit with this product. We have not used it even ones. Selling it it will be the best option for us. I lowered the price as you suggested to $900 at least will cover the transfer charge to a new owner.

Thank you for your time and information. Have great weekend.

 

[LisaRex]

Oh well I tried to convert them .... $47,000 lit on fire

We have 420,000 banked options.
We paid around $35K for the unit plus 5 years of Fees $12K . The kids schedule and the places we go doesn’t fit with this product. We have not used it even ones. Selling it it will be the best option for us. I lowered the price as you suggested to $900 at least will cover the transfer charge to a new owner.

Thank you for your time and information. Have great weekend.

Ah well, you might at least tell them that the minute they sell, those banked options evaporate.