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Why Hawaii is trying to ban a common sunscreen

Discussion in 'US - Hawaii Timesharing' started by RNCollins, May 10, 2017.

  1. DavidnRobin

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    Being faired-skin and somewhat large who spends all vacations in the tropics (and a wife who loves to sunbathe), I find wearing the UA HeatGear water shirts SPF50) to be fantastic and a vacation saver - and also cost-savings as the cost of any sunscreen that doesn't have to cover my torso easily pays for these comfortable shirts (wet or dry).

    Hey Wait! I am a Scientist to!!! LOL


    and @AbelowDS - while I dislike the selling of Fear, and using non-clinical studies to make grandiose claims, I respectfully disagree with some of your arguments regarding the balance between environment protection and public health. But... that may just be me.

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  2. geoand

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    There are countless alternatives. I wear a skull cap and a shorty wetsuit and never get burned. The other benefit is that I am wearing a good flotation device. I'm 220 lb. and the shorty wetsuit keeps me floating.
     
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    Patti and I wear ankle to wrist "skins." When we first started wearing them there was basically one choice - single piece and black. This made it difficult for visiting the bathroom. Now Patti has several attractive colorful two piece sets. I also wear a skull cap made of material like a wetsuit. Patti loves it because one side is a bright lime green. I wear this side out and she can always find me.
     
  4. DavidnRobin

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    I wear a skull cap as well - great for sun protection while snorkeling


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  5. fillde

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    Not sure why the picture is included in this discussion. Are you advocating an end to capitalism? And isn't that considered political?

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  6. DavidnRobin

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    Political? "End of Capitalism " I implied this?
    That's how you see it? Really? I don't get it...
    Interesting...
    perhaps try in context to my reply to AbelowDS (thus the '@') with a tinge of humor.

    Otherwise... well...
    E=mc^2

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    Hint. Hint. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand......
     
  8. Tamaradarann

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    We use Banana Boat Sport Sunscreen that has 3% Avobenzone in it. Is this one of the chemicals that they are thinking about banning?

    As far as protective clothing, my husband had a melanoma cyst cut from his arm last year. It was a very small stage zero melanoma, but the cut was very deep and wide. He would use sunscreen but it does wear off, and it is difficult to cover the entire body all the time when you out at the beach. The doctor advised him to cover up with clothing as the best protection. He started doing that now, but to be reasonably protected you still need to put sunblock on your face, hands, and legs if you are wearing swim trucks with a long sleeve rash guard, and hat.
     
  9. dioxide45

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    Perhaps they were referring to the sign someone was holding behind you?
     
  10. DavidnRobin

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    OMG - I didn't check all the signs!
    Mod please delete!
    LOL

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    Done (Dave you anarchist! ;) )

    For future reference, you can click EDIT and then just remove the link to the picture.
     
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    The file is still attached to the post #26 and can be read, if it matters. :D

    Cheers

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    Hmmm - can't see a way to delete the attached file - will bump it up the food chain.
     
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    So I tried to find out more about this proposed ban and it sounds like it would really just impact the sunscreens sold in Hawaii, not the sunscreens brought in by tourists. But it's possible they would go through luggage and remove the banned sunscreens, though that seems like a lot of work. I just bought myself some special reef-safe sunscreen for our trip :)
     
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    Interestingly, zinc has some toxicity to plants. It is sold in roll form by Home Deport to prevent moss and mildew from growing on a person's roof.http://www.homedepot.com/p/Master-F...ss-and-Mildew-Preventer-Strip-NMM50/100004640
     
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    I like this. Personally, I would like to keep Moss and mildew off of my body. Just another readonly people are more important than the environment in this case.

    (Am I starting another wave of debate with this comment? Am I joking or not...?)

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    Sorry...autocorrect... "...another reason..."

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    I was kidding... I guess LOL did not properly relay sarcasm. I need to work on that....That claim that I was promoting 'Down with Capitalism' based off a small sign in the crowd is like a hammer looking for a nail. Why not focus on the cute kid with the 'Children 4 Education' poster? Or my adorable wife flashing her 'hippie' peace signs?
    Or is it political to be for education, science or peace? ;)

    My point was that 'Scientists' can have different views/opinions - in fact it is imperative that they do for proper vetting (thus reason why scientific papers need to be peered reviewed). As long as Facts are considered (and not 'it is a fact I feel that way') - I am okay with differing opinions. In fact as a Scientist - I seek these out (or did up until 2 weeks ago...).

    Peace... oops. I mean good luck... oops, I mean good science :D

    @AbelowDS - the point about the sun shirts is that they offer better protect than sunscreens without the potential for harm (except the shirts are synthtic ;)). However, it is a fact that common sunscreen protection products are harmful to coral (algae) AND these levels can be measured in the water around the coral. I do think that coral bleaching due to water temperatures rising (fact) is likely a greater risk. But life is not black/white, and discounting one over the other is dangerous (scientifically).


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    I'd like to add my 2 scoops, oops, I meant 2 cents. I observed a sign that was pretty obvious, advocating a different form of government we currently have. I didn't believe this was the correct forum to espouse that opinion. The moderators agreed.

    So let's move on.
     
  20. dioxide45

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    Perhaps you should have reported the post instead? Your post pointing out the infraction is just as much an infraction as the original post, no?
     
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    The zinc basically kills plant organisms that create chlorophyll through photosynthesis. This occurs at a fairly low PPM level. Inhibiting photosynthesis in the ocean doesn't sound like a terribly good idea.

    Zinc along with an oil on the skin probably isn't a high risk to humans.

    My purpose of posting was just to point out that even the alternatives (zinc ointment) may not be without its own set of unique problems.
     
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