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Where are new HGVC resorts planned?

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Well since I've been confused about this since day one it is hard for me to argue. But years back when I first went to 57th St to look at the property just post construction there was literally NO mention of byHC, I am not even sure the concept existed then.

As someone who bought pre-construction at W 57th St, I agree that there was no mention of BHC at the time. However, it was very clear at the time that in order to book more than 45 days out you had to own there. It was even clear (to me at least) that you had to use your W 57th St points. It was part of the justification for why it is so expensive - I'd be able to use my points in NYC and not be in competition with people who paid very little for a Las Vegas property.
 

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As someone who bought pre-construction at W 57th St, I agree that there was no mention of BHC at the time. However, it was very clear at the time that in order to book more than 45 days out you had to own there. It was even clear (to me at least) that you had to use your W 57th St points. It was part of the justification for why it is so expensive - I'd be able to use my points in NYC and not be in competition with people who paid very little for a Las Vegas property.
Agree as well, certainly early on there was no mention of BHC, as I stated earlier I am not even sure that concept even existed then. Indeed I was told to book beyond 45 out you had to be an owner. In fact that was waved at me like a badge of honor with ownership. However, it was always vague as to how you could use your other points there from other HGVC properties. The line told to me repeatedly was "points are points". Now in my case the only Hilton TS I own is HCNY (I do own other TS/fractional ownership properties) and quite honestly I haven't bought any more properties with Hilton because of this.
To stay with the thread, it seems interesting that most (not all) new properties seem to be falling into the BHC system. That may sway my decision to by again a Hilton property but for now I am in a watch and wait mode. Resales are limited and still pricey.
 

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When we purchased W57 by Hilton Club they never really described what "club" meant other than we have up to 45 day advance reservations to the property. HCNY was described as a "completely different animal." Residences and The District weren't announced yet. I am not sure they knew what it meant and I am not sure they know completely now.
 

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Just received the latest copy of the Club Traveler. There is an article near the back announcing new properties that will come online in 2020:

Quin NYC bHC
Central at 5th bHC
Hilton Cabo bHC
Charleston bHC
 

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I’m in Orlando and was told they’ll be converting hotels into HGV/HC locations. Some spots mentioned to me include:
•4 other locations in Chicago
•a smoky mountain location
•Maui (knew about that one)
•Aruba
•Auckland NZ
•Hotel Del Coronado - converting those beach side areas that are near the pool to HGVC or HC.

I think all are conversions but can’t be sure. These are just the locations they mentioned.

They also mentioned a partnership with Royal Caribbean cruise line separate from the usual other partners.
 

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I’m in Orlando and was told they’ll be converting hotels into HGV/HC locations. Some spots mentioned to me include:
•4 other locations in Chicago
•a smoky mountain location
•Maui (knew about that one)
•Aruba
•Auckland NZ
•Hotel Del Coronado - converting those beach side areas that are near the pool to HGVC or HC.

I think all are conversions but can’t be sure. These are just the locations they mentioned.

/\ /\ /\ /\ This is why I believe Hilton HLT/Blackstone may be cooking a strategic offer for HGV to counter Apollo Diamond. Who knows if they execute all of these but these partial hotel conversions are a strategic initiative they have been pursuing that goes far beyond HGV as it exist today.
 
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I’m in Orlando and was told they’ll be converting hotels into HGV/HC locations. Some spots mentioned to me include:
•4 other locations in Chicago
•a smoky mountain location
•Maui (knew about that one)
•Aruba
•Auckland NZ
•Hotel Del Coronado - converting those beach side areas that are near the pool to HGVC or HC.

I think all are conversions but can’t be sure. These are just the locations they mentioned.

They also mentioned a partnership with Royal Caribbean cruise line separate from the usual other partners.

Back in August, the quarterly investors call mentioned a fee for service resort in The Smokies.
 

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I’m in Orlando and was told they’ll be converting hotels into HGV/HC locations. Some spots mentioned to me include:
•4 other locations in Chicago
•a smoky mountain location
•Maui (knew about that one)
•Aruba
•Auckland NZ
•Hotel Del Coronado - converting those beach side areas that are near the pool to HGVC or HC.

I think all are conversions but can’t be sure. These are just the locations they mentioned.

They also mentioned a partnership with Royal Caribbean cruise line separate from the usual other partners.

I was hoping for SF. Oh well all good comes to those who wait (I hope) :rolleyes:
 

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I’m in Orlando and was told they’ll be converting hotels into HGV/HC locations. Some spots mentioned to me include:
•4 other locations in Chicago
•a smoky mountain location
•Maui (knew about that one)
•Aruba
•Auckland NZ
•Hotel Del Coronado - converting those beach side areas that are near the pool to HGVC or HC.

I think all are conversions but can’t be sure. These are just the locations they mentioned.

They also mentioned a partnership with Royal Caribbean cruise line separate from the usual other partners.

Blackstone owns Hotel del Coronado - this probably doesn't get done if Apollo buys HGV.
 

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I think they mentioned SF, too. But it was a whirlwind of info thrown at me. Most of it useful until they got to the sales pitch.
 

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Blackstone owns Hotel del Coronado - this probably doesn't get done if Apollo buys HGV.

Blackstone is huge investment firm, they own many hotels, not just Hilton properties. For example they owned the Marriott Waikaloa at they same time they owned the entire Hilton chain.

Anything is possible.
 

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Currently at Hyatt Residence Club. We are going for a drive later so I’ll try to cruise by the HGV construction site and have a look.
 

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So far so good in Maui.
 

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Currently at Hyatt Residence Club. We are going for a drive later so I’ll try to cruise by the HGV construction site and have a look.

We are currently at Residence Inn in Wailea and drove by the HGVC site the other day. Nothing new to report other than they continue to work on it. Can’t see much due to the high draped fencing.

Today is beautiful down here. The clearest day we have had so far. Looking forward to moving up to Ka’anapali on Tuesday.

Best regards.

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You would think they could fast track some of these Hawaii construction projects given the report at the investor call about lack of high point units to sell/upgrade folks.

I walked by Ocean Tower last week and nothing going on at all, just some ground clearing and sidewalk pours for what appears to be a drop off spot. We saw several vans dropping off people by driving in the service entrance next to the golf course.

There is a big new shopping center going in at Waikoloa Village, Foodland, Ace Hardware, restaurants, etc. Stiff competition for the small market already there. The lot is cleared and leveled.


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Back in August, the quarterly investors call mentioned a fee for service resort in The Smokies.

What is a "fee for service resort". Aren't all hotels fee for service resorts?
 

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What is a "fee for service resort". Aren't all hotels fee for service resorts?

Fee-for-service and collection properties are properties that were funded and constructed by a third-party developer. Collection properties are properties that were contributed by a third party during Hilton’s joint venture with Grand Vacations or prior to the spin-off. A developed property is a property that was funded and constructed by Hilton Grand Vacations or acquired through a just-in-time arrangement. Hilton Grand Vacations also manages the operation of the developed properties.

Check this link
 
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What is a "fee for service resort". Aren't all hotels fee for service resorts?

@GT75 has it correct. Examples of fee for service resorts are the South Carolina resorts that were funded and built by Strand Capital and are sold and managed by HGVC. Blackstone has partnered with HGVC on several resorts and Grand Pacific partnered with HGVC on MarBrisa.

A developed resort are those that HGVC funded, built, sold and managed. Flamingo and Sea World are examples of that.
 

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Fee-for-service and collection properties are properties that were funded and constructed by a third-party developer. Collection properties are properties that were contributed by a third party during Hilton’s joint venture with Grand Vacations or prior to the spin-off. A developed property is a property that was funded and constructed by Hilton Grand Vacations or acquired through a just-in-time arrangement. Hilton Grand Vacations also manages the operation of the developed properties.

Check this link

So as HGVC members do we care who funded and constructed the property? If the weeks are automatically deposited in the points system on January 1 of each year, owners get points for that deposit, and can be exchanged to using the HGVC Website and Points then it is an HGVC property, as opposed to the Affiliates that must deposit their weeks if they want to obtain points to use in the HGVC system.
 

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So as HGVC members do we care who funded and constructed the property? If the weeks are automatically deposited in the points system on January 1 of each year, owners get points for that deposit, and can be exchanged to using the HGVC Website and Points then it is an HGVC property, as opposed to the Affiliates that must deposit their weeks if they want to obtain points to use in the HGVC system.

You shouldn’t. It’s a joint operation and, unlike affiliates, these are mandatory enrollment resorts. There are some curveball situations, but they are all mandatory to enroll.

Anderson Ocean Club started as full year ownerships and you can still buy those today (there’s an ocean front 3 bedroom in the 3rd floor selling for $424,000). Interesting tidbit about Anderson is that it’s managed by Wyndham’s property management division, Oceana! Yet, HGVC is contracted to sell the timeshare units of the club and the signage is all HGVC.
 

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You shouldn’t. It’s a joint operation and, unlike affiliates, these are mandatory enrollment resorts. There are some curveball situations, but they are all mandatory to enroll.

Anderson Ocean Club started as full year ownerships and you can still buy those today (there’s an ocean front 3 bedroom in the 3rd floor selling for $424,000). Interesting tidbit about Anderson is that it’s managed by Wyndham’s property management division, Oceana! Yet, HGVC is contracted to sell the timeshare units of the club and the signage is all HGVC.

I would have no interest in going to or buying whole property at Anderson Ocean in South Carolina even though at $424K it seems like a very good price. However, I would be interested in buying a 2 BR at the Hilton Hawaiian Village in Honolulu, but I think the price would be so high that I couldn't afford it. So interested that we bought a 2 BR right across the street from the Kalia Tower at the Hilton Hawaiian Village.
 

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I would have no interest in going to or buying whole property at Anderson Ocean in South Carolina even though at $424K it seems like a very good price. However, I would be interested in buying a 2 BR at the Hilton Hawaiian Village in Honolulu, but I think the price would be so high that I couldn't afford it. So interested that we bought a 2 BR right across the street from the Kalia Tower at the Hilton Hawaiian Village.

HGVC doesn’t have access to all of Anderson. When Strand Capital couldn’t sell enough full ownership condos, they brought HGVC in as a partner and they sold out pretty quickly. Because they couldn’t sell those condos, a partnership was created that gave us Ocean 22, Ocean Enclave, Ocean Oaks and soon to be the bHC resort in Charleston (Liberty Square I believe).

If I could afford that condo, I would buy it. $424,000 is a little out of my wheelhouse, though.
 
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HGVC doesn’t have access to all of Anderson. When Strand Capital couldn’t sell enough full ownership condos, they brought HGVC in as a partner and they sold out pretty quickly. Because they couldn’t sell those condos, a partnership was created that gave us Ocean 22, Ocean Enclave, Ocean Oaks and soon to be the bHC resort in Charleston (Liberty Square I believe).

If I could afford that condo, I would buy it. $424,000 is a little out of my wheelhouse, though.

I heard there was a similar situation with Sunrise. However I am not sure if wholly owned condos were ever sold. I believe that mixed use is a future trend. Whether it is hotel/HGV conversion or HGV/Condo. It is a way to add more locations into the system without the risk of an entire complex and the defaults that may go with it.

HGV will continue with full developments in locations where they are reasonably certain of an ROI e.g. Maui.
 

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I heard there was a similar situation with Sunrise. However I am not sure if wholly owned condos were ever sold.

I think that the original developer of Sunrise for wholly owned condos when bankrupt before any where sold. HGVC came in and partnered with someone investment company to sell Sunrise. HGVC has now bought out the investment company and has total ownership.
 
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