Not accusing them of stealing at all. What I am saying is how easy it is to manipulate numbers to give a false or inaccurate impression. When people look at and base decisions or opinions on research, numbers, statistics most of them have no idea how easy it is to manipulate those things so people come to the conclusion you want them to. Numbers when not broken down and fully explained can be used. I never like hearing we did this to make it simpler for everyone to understand or that it's just too complex for anyone who isn't an accounting wizard to understand. And I have to admit that I've done that very thing. I've actually had to dumb down numbers to get people able to understand the big picture.
My old boss use to have this weird thing he said about numbers lie and liars number. He always said he trusted me like he trusted extremely few people. He knew both my husband and I, we are of a similar age and background, and he also knew that I am obsessive about making numbers tell the whole truth in detail. He usually didn't understand the numbers and wanted no part of hearing the explanations. Numbers people love for someone else to understand and be able to appreciate their work so that was kind of a disappointment. He also knew that made me feel extremely responsible to make sure those numbers told a true picture because he was making decisions based on them that affected not just him but everyone working for him.
The multimillion dollar question is always who do you trust or should you trust them? When a company fails to be transparent on everything they do and not only condones lying but promotes it then......
Whenever a person works with vendors, suppliers, etc. there is always the opportunity to benefit from kickbacks. I guess it depends on what a person considers kickbacks. To me they aren't always money or expensive things. They can be tickets to a game, a nice dinner for the person and their spouse/so, a golf outing. In my book they are still kickbacks whether you call them that or tokens of appreciation from a vendor, supplier, etc. And it would be extremely naive of me to say it isn't commonplace. Whenever we're at a new resort or one that has been updated and I don't care for the new furnishings or find the sofa or chairs uncomfortable to sit in I always say jokingly to my husband that I hope someone got a big kickback. Otherwise there isn't any excuse for making such poor choices. Because for crying out loud this isn't HGTV, we actually want to sit and relax on this furniture!
But a kickback would go to a crooked employee.not Wyndham
But a kickback would go to a crooked employee.not Wyndham
The charge made by our former salesman is that the numbers hide illegal payments to Wyndham
OP,
We just signed a WCA deal for 126k annual points at $145/1000 points for under 20k all in. MFs are around 800/year. Got some bonus points and VIP Silver through 2020 and a couple RCI free weeks thrown in. Good deal or should we rescind based upon your experience as a former WCA sales rep?
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Hi,
Could you verify for me that Wyndham Sales People are paid through "commission only"? If that's true, I'd say that puts a lot of pressure on them to either make sales or not be able to support themselves.
I would think that is where a lot of their sales pressure and inaccurate statements come from.
I find that Wyndham points are a good value IF you purchase on the secondary market for pennies on the dollars of the original cost.
Purchasing from Wyndham is a loser as far as resale goes. Would you care to speculate why Wyndham wouldn't repurchase many of the EBAY resales and then resell them at full or close to full price In my mind it would drive up the cost of resales and thereby give the sales force additional reasons why it's a good idea to purchase through Wyndham. Plus they would recoup their outlay times 50 on the resale of the resale.
Thanks!
To the OP. What kind of commission rate do salesmen make on their sales. What is their actual skin in the game? Bonuses? Salary plus or straight commission?
Not the OP but when Wyndham is selling this stuff every day for $200/1000; $145 looks pretty good and a maintenance fee rate of $6.3 is probably about todays average.. So great job and a great price
On the other hand you spent $18000 The same number of points could be had for under $1000 on ebay
Maybe there was a missing "," but the only Apple Valley I know was in your area Dioxide45 and I thought it went out of business, blamed on owners throwing the developers out as mgmt company.There is no "Marriott Apple Valley" timeshare property...
So on a modest $20K purchase, timeshare salespeople are looking at $1,400-$5,400 commission. And as they approach bonus quota levels, the payout balloons. IMO, over time, this encourages salespeople to act more like sharks (creatures who will bite at anything that moves)....commission structure... in the timeshare industry is somewhere between 6-12% base, plus anywhere from 1-15% bonus.
When buying a new car or new house or any tangible, new, large purchase items from the maker/builder, there may be significant (to you) benefits of being the first, exclusive, sole owner and user of said items (first to sleep there, choose upgrades, make it your own). Timeshare is not like this.I would say, it depends on what your long term goal is. You can buy ALL kinds of things on the secondary market. Cars, Houses, Timeshare etc. BUT when I buy a car, I choose to go to the Chevy dealership because I know what I'm getting.
Thank you, you validate this point.Timeshare is NOT a financial investment... There is little to no resale value on 99% of it.
I would never tell anyone to rescind a purchase. 1) Its unethical 2) It could be construed as Tortuous Interference
I suspect what he meant was that while talking to the customer he would not advise them to rescind, and that doing so while representing Wyndham would not be on the up and up when he was being paid by Wyndham to sell product.UNETHICAL to rescind??? "construed as Tortuous Interference"??? Are you kidding!?!!? "Cool off" rescission laws came about because of unethical, pressure cooker tactics and deceptive timeshare salespeople preying on vulnerable newbies and senior citizens. These consumer protection laws exist for real estate, vehicle, timeshare, and many other large $ purchases for good REASON. Get real. These comments suggest you are not TUG-savvy nor consumer-friendly. (Do you understand the ethic behind this web forum?)
I would never tell anyone to rescind a purchase. 1) Its unethical 2) It could be construed as Tortuous Interference and 3) As long as you feel it was a good deal, then go for it.
Hi - Thanks for replying - I'm not sure, based on your answer, that I'm getting the information I'm looking for.There are ALOT of jobs that are full commission only. Not sure timeshare sales. I do not think that a commission only jobs causes people to lie because of pressure. I think bad people lie because most of the time they can get away with it.
Ron, you do like to take things out of context huh?
I never said anything about illegal payments to anyone. I said that some of the maint fee is going to Wyndham. Thats not illegal and they are not hiding it. They show it as "XXXXX Fee". My statement was where is that money accounted for?
UNETHICAL to rescind??? "construed as Tortuous Interference"??? Are you kidding!?!!? "Cool off" rescission laws came about because of unethical, pressure cooker tactics and deceptive timeshare salespeople preying on vulnerable newbies and senior citizens. These consumer protection laws exist for real estate, vehicle, timeshare, and many other large $ purchases for good REASON. Get real. These comments suggest you are not TUG-savvy nor consumer-friendly. (Do you understand the ethic behind this web forum?)
Hi,
Could you verify for me that Wyndham Sales People are paid through "commission only"? If that's true, I'd say that puts a lot of pressure on them to either make sales or not be able to support themselves.
I would think that is where a lot of their sales pressure and inaccurate statements come from.
I find that Wyndham points are a good value IF you purchase on the secondary market for pennies on the dollars of the original cost.
Purchasing from Wyndham is a loser as far as resale goes. Would you care to speculate why Wyndham wouldn't repurchase many of the EBAY resales and then resell them at full or close to full price In my mind it would drive up the cost of resales and thereby give the sales force additional reasons why it's a good idea to purchase through Wyndham. Plus they would recoup their outlay times 50 on the resale of the resale.
Thanks!
He didn’t say it would be unethical to rescind. What he said is that it would be unethical to advise someone to rescind and advising someone to rescind could be “Tortuous Interference"...
Apple Valley is in Clarksville, GA it is a HIVC Resort.Maybe there was a missing "," but the only Apple Valley I know was in your area Dioxide45 and I thought it went out of business, blamed on owners throwing the developers out as mgmt company.
I have a question?
Visited with my Aunt yesterday and she told me she owns two weeks at the Palms in Kissimmee. She previously owned at Wyndham Pompano. Claims they offered her two weeks in exchange for her one Pompano. She told me the maintenance is very high at Palms. She regrets making this deal. I’m not sure when she did this. Do you have any info on this kind of deal?
She wasn’t too clear on the details.
From what she told me, sounds like she was taken advantage of because she is elderly.
Silentg