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Sticky - Timeshare Ownership poll - Please vote now!

Discussion in 'TUG Lounge' started by CMF, Nov 17, 2007.

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Resort Ownership Poll

  1. Marriott owners

    263 vote(s)
    20.3%
  2. Hilton owners

    94 vote(s)
    7.3%
  3. Starwood owners

    175 vote(s)
    13.5%
  4. Wyndham (FairField) owners

    210 vote(s)
    16.2%
  5. Disney owners

    78 vote(s)
    6.0%
  6. Destination Club members

    10 vote(s)
    0.8%
  7. Hyatt owners

    30 vote(s)
    2.3%
  8. Other/Independent owner

    573 vote(s)
    44.3%
  9. Worldmark owners

    144 vote(s)
    11.1%
  10. Diamond/Sunterra owners

    73 vote(s)
    5.6%
  11. Bluegreen owners

    44 vote(s)
    3.4%
  12. Celebrity owners

    16 vote(s)
    1.2%
  13. Westgate owners

    45 vote(s)
    3.5%
  14. Royal Resorts owners

    43 vote(s)
    3.3%
  15. VRI

    48 vote(s)
    3.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. TUGBrian

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    Which is fantastic...seeing as how the poll is a percentage of timeshares owned by individual members....vs a poll called "number of units owned vs total number of units voted for" IE...what percentage of voting members own marriott...well lookie there...28% of them do...how many own sunterra awesome...3%. Which was the entire point of the poll.

    no they arent...there are 213 people who have voted (or whatever the number is now)..some could have voted for one...others could have voted for 2 or 3 or 4...no way to tell.

    and thats exactly what it is...out of the 213 people who voted..."independent" was clicked 124 times...or 58% of the people who voted clicked independent. The math is correct...just because it isnt calculated the way YOU feel it should be calculated does not make it incorrect. I may have gone to public school...but I can divide 213 by 124 and come out with the same number the forum software does.

    if the factor was a percentage of overall votes yes...but its not...as stated before....the percentage is a factor of the number of voters...not the number of votes.

    yes I know this...and is what I said earlier...I fail to see why it is somehow incorrect to you.

    and here we go round and round again...32/213 = 15.02%

    I see exactly what you are saying....however just because it calculates it based on the number of voters(the whole point of the poll IMO)...vs the number of total votes does not make it invalid or misleading.

    Fact is the numbers are correct...they just arent correct based on what you feel they should be based on.

    The percentages also arent based on the 21,000+ some odd registered users on the board either...or the billions of people total on the internet at any given time.

    the percentages are based on the number of voters....who can vote more than once...as stated to begin with.

    are you just arguing to argue?

    Lets look at it this way...I was the very first person to vote as I created the poll. I selected marriott..and independent.

    now...from the polls way of calculating things...100% of the users who voted own at marriott...and 100% of the users who voted own independent.

    your logic would say 50% of the users who voted own marriott...and 50% own independent. Thusly inaccurate because only one person voted...and they own at both. I dont own one or the other...I own both..and hence my 1 vote with 2 selections counts for both of them.
     
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  2. JLB

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    No.

    I said the same thing.

    Shorter. :D

     
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  3. TUGBrian

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    So your point was to tell everyone that the poll is a representation of the number of votes each resort got...based on the total number of voters....or an accurate representation of the % of each resort.

    IE how many TUGBBS members who voted are owners of xyz resorts.

    Thanks for clearing that up. =)
     
  4. JLB

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    Yes.

    Cuz I related to my original post, the impact that branded ownership is having on the exchange companies. That would be based on the number of weeks owned, not the number of owners. 52% and 37% would be a meaningful difference for the observation I was making.

    That's all.

    I had no bitterness, no contempt for what you are trying to do, nor no other motive, other than to relate it to the impact on the exchange companies, something of interest to all of us on this forum.

    I did not wish to spoil your day, or mine, which I spent enjoyably on the golf course with a TUGger and another timeshare owner, at OLCC no less.

    Have a nice evening. :wave:
    - - - - - -
    A point that hit after posting this is that if this same poll were done 15 years ago, or 10, but certainly 20, we all know that the independents--those using the major exchange companies--would be nearly everyone, if not everyone, so, again, I am amazed that the exchange companies figures keep going up, so they say.

     
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  5. JLB

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    Does that point not strike anyone else, that, if this poll is representative of the real world situation, and that such a high pecentage of ownership would not be going through the major exchange companies, and, yet, they still claim their figures are growing?
     
  6. TUGBrian

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    well it does say independent/other....while I tried to list all the individual systems I could think of...I have no doubt missed many that would take quite a few votes away from the independent/other section.

    I dont have any issue with your point of the exchange companies...I only was in question of your statement of "these numbers are inaccurate"
     
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    I would like to ask . . . for those who own in programs with their own exchanging system, what do you normally do with your week (week, points, or whatever)?

    Use it.

    Rent it.

    Exchange it through a major exchange company.

    Exchange it through your internal exchange system.
     
  8. rhonda

    rhonda TUG Review Crew: Veteran TUG Member

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    We mostly use our Worldmark Credits (points) w/in the system with an occasional exchange through II. Each year gives us one long 7-12n trip and the balance in weekend stays. Our long trip for next year is a roadtrip from San Diego to Yellowstone. We'll visit a total of 6 WM resorts in UT, MT, CO and NV with a brief hotel stay at Mt. Rushmore. Our weekend uses are typically in the SoCAL/AZ locations.

    Edited to add ... forgot DVC: We always use w/in the DVC system -- booking Disney resorts other than our home resort. (It doesn't feel like "exchanging through your internal system" -- but I suppose that is the closest answer.)
     
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    Starwood we use within the internal trade system. We recently used II for an exchange. We had a resale that came with an unsed week. We also rent unused weeks.

    DVC we use totally within internal system.
     
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    Thanks.

    Two owners do not a trend make, but as individuals go, so goes the group.
     
  11. TUGBrian

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    we can do a separate poll about that if you wish
     
  12. JLB

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    It might be interesting to see what folks do with their ownerships. I'm trying not to use the word weeks because there are so many varieties of ownership now.
     
  13. TUGBrian

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    pm or email me how you want the poll question worded and the options you would like to see and ill create it for you.
     
  14. AwayWeGo

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    [triennial - points]
    SunTerra Or Independent ?

    OK, I own at 2 independently managed SunTerra timeshares.

    I do not belong to Club SunTerra -- not that anything's wrong with it.

    For accurate TUG-BBS Timeshare Ownership Poll tabulation, do I mark myself down under the SunTerra category ?

    Or do I go with Independent ?

    Your call.

    -- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​
     
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    be original...do one of each to even things out =)
     
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    [triennial - points]
    Stuffing The [Virtual] Ballot Box.

    I don't know if the software lets folks vote more than once.

    The bar-chart tally on my screen shows a notation down in the lower margin saying that I've already voted in the poll.

    If I vote again, will the notation say I've already voted twice in the poll ?

    -- Alan Cole, McLean (Fairfax County), Virginia, USA.​

     
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    Hi Alan - You can vote for more than one category when you vote the first time, but once you vote, you can't vote again. If the poll categories changed after you voted, and you want to add a vote to another category, just let Brian know.
     
  18. TUGBrian

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    ah...i didnt realize you had already voted.

    just let me know which one vote to add to the column and I will do so as denise mentioned above!
     
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    [triennial - points]
    Not Changing My Mind -- Just Wondering If I Did It Right.

    No need. I'll just live with my vote -- same as I do in all local, state, & national ballots.

    I was just wondering -- after it was too late -- if I did it right.

    As a retired professional U.S. federal bureaucrat, I'm heavy into compliance with official procedures.

    You can take the Old Duffer out of the bureaucracy, but you can't take the bureaucracy out of the Old Duffer.

    So it goes.

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    So, there is no way to place multiple votes for a category, as in owning 3 of one and a couple of another?

     
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    nope..only one vote per category.
     
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    poll updated as of 12/10
     
  23. Kauai Kid

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    Since Sunterra is now Diamond is this the time for another edit??

    Sterling
     
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    good call...edited
     
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    I own

    I am currently an owner at Bluegreen, and Silverleaf. Thinking of selling my interest in Silverleaf soon.

    Adrain
     

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