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That's a valid point - it perhaps reflects people approaching the same issue from different directions.

I'm going to respond that Mexico has an established tourism industry. It is a significant part of the economy; in locales such as Cancún, Puerto Vallarta, and Cabo tourism underpins the whole economy. IMHO - any reasonable response to the issues involving drug cartels/gangs needs to involve maintaining/enhancing/creating viable indigenous economic alternatives that present realistic opportunities for economic opportunity that do not involve becoming involving with a gang or cartel.

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We put my money where our mouths are. We routinely donate 10% to 20% of our income to organizations that we believe exist to make a change in the world. One major recipient of our donations is an organization that is involved with transferring land ownership to indigenous peoples in Central America via a microlending program (started in 1995, before microlending became a "thing"), that leads to deeded transfer of land ownership. The program includes training to facilitate transition from subsistence cropping (which is insufficient to pay off the loans) to economic cash crops. The communities we are involved with through this organization have successfully placed cash crops, such as snow peas, to vendors such as Costco and Lord and Spencer. Families involved with this program have moved from subsistence level existence to actually having disposable cash to spend for such items as improved housing, better nutrition, and more use of medical services

We also provide significant support for a program that provides indigenous students in northern Guatemala a tuition-free and free supplies education through high school and even into college. The students we support come from families where the parents are functionally illiterate. They are amazed, and totally grateful, that their children have an opportunity for an education that they never had the opportunity to receive. Because when they were at that age, their parents were simply trying to stay alive in the middle of a civil war, where they and their children were targeted for genocide. They are so supportive that they don't demand that their children help in the fields or go into the forests to collect firewood - which is the norm for subsistence families. They expect that their children go to school, and that once school is out the children study while it still light. The economic burden this places on these families is enormous; throughout the region farming by the entire is the norm for survival. The sacrifices these families make to support their children's education is simply unimaginable to most of us living our sheltered lives in North America. Free tuition and supplies is actually the lesser amount of their financial support.

In the organizations that we support, gang violence is a consistent issue and threat. In the villages we have had young boys, teenagers, assassinated because they refused to join a gang. Or because they started to join and backed out. We had another situation where a young man went to university, and was recruited into a gang. To prove his loyalty he was commanded to return to his village, and execute all of the family members of a village leader. It was a test of loyalty. Having done the deed, he would never be able to return to his family or the village, and he would be hunted by the police. So from that point his existence would depend on entirely on the gang.

He started the job, but, after significant maiming of the family members (including a near-death punctured lung), he realized he couldn't finish the job. So he went on the lam, hunted by his gang members as well as the police, with no place in h is past that he could return to. And in Guatemala, falling into the hands of the police when you are hunted isn't much different from falling into the hands of a gang. He did respond, one time, to an outreach contact from the organization, where we were able to learn what was going on. But he disappeared afterward, and our contacts have no idea what has happened to him.

But in the midst of this we see progress. We are now seeing young people, graduates of our programs, who are returning to the area to be teachers, agronomists, medical specialists, etc., giving back to the communities where they grew up instead of going to Guate City where there are better jobs, or taking off for the US. I think of one young woman, who typically would have been married by age 14 and a mother no later than age 16, going to University, returning as a community service worker after completing university, and getting married and having a child in her 20s, when she was more ready to provide care and support. She has been an inspiration to so many other young girls in the community, that there are options beyond getting married after puberty and starting a family while still a teenager. We believe that many of the young girls who have stayed with our program after 8th grade (we have over a 50% retention rate for girls at that age) is due to her example.

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In reflection, I confess that I probably did react emotionally to my perception that I was being characterized as having my head in the sand and feeling that I was being castigated for enjoying Mexico without guilt.

So I apologize for posting with that emotional edge.

Wow, I am truly impressed with your humanitarian work. I felt chills and pain running through my body as I read your story, especially about the boy commanded to murder his family and who actually started to do it. I had no idea it was this bad in some areas of Latin America. This is so sad. A tragedy. Congratulations to you for trying to make a difference. I wish you well in your work.
 

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You mention the crisis in Mexico. It's actually much worse south of Mexico. It just doesn't get press coverage like Mexico does.
 

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I for one am glad this particular thread was started & continued in the direction it did .

I am learning new things about my TUG - real - virtual friends who post in the Mexican Forum.

Steve / T_R_Oglodyte - your post re: The Mexican Tourism infrastruction & the organizations you contribute to , is as well written & logical as your post on DRI and how their points and UDI works .
Please take this as a compliment - on all levels .
T-Dot - Traveller
 
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You mention the crisis in Mexico. It's actually much worse south of Mexico. It just doesn't get press coverage like Mexico does.

Yes that is absolutely true. So sad.
 

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Yes that is absolutely true. So sad.
After some thought, I think I want to make one last pushback on your previous posts.

I proffer that many of us who go to Mexico do so, in part, because we have an affinity for the people and the culture. We do not have our heads in the sand; rather we are acutely aware of conditions in the country.

We do often emphatically counter those who paint the whole country with a brush palleted in the gratuitous headlines of a sensationalist news media that uses fearmongering to generate page views. We try to stand against those who proclaim that they would never go to a country as "dangerous" as Mexico, when they have never set foot in Mexico and evidence no awareness of the nuances of the country.

We know that when we go to Mexico, we are supporting economic activities that create opportunities for Mexican people who are opposed to the gang culture. We tip the housekeeping staff to help ensure that they have a living wage. Some of us leave our resorts to be more involved locally. We patronize business people who have set up shop to make an honest living by supporting the tourism industry. We ride buses and take taxis. We visit mercados for produce and meat. Others of us might chose to stay primarily at the resort, having an isolated "all inclusive" vacation. But even then, the money spent at the resort supports the people who work at the resort. In either case, by going to the country and spending money, we are supporting alternatives to the violence subculture.

We do not go to Mexico in guilt. We go to Mexico proudly, knowing that by doing so we are in some small measure rewarding those who simply want to do honest work and get paid for their efforts.
 
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T_R_Ogledyte, thanks for an excellent post; you expressed very well the opinions of most on this forum.

Karen G, I would suggest this is a great point to close this thread and move to the Mexico safety sticky. T.R. 's post would really be a great post for folks to see easily as they are searching trying to understand.

Mike
 

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T_R_Ogledyte, thanks for an excellent post; you expressed very well the opinions of most on this forum.

Karen G, I would suggest this is a great point to close this thread and move to the Mexico safety sticky. T.R. 's post would really be a great post for folks to see easily as they are searching trying to understand.

Mike
Mike, I agree and I will move this thread now. Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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I have posted many positives about Mexico but no one notices that part. For example, my many visits to Mexico, my love of the local people, my love of Mexican architecture and art, my ability to speak Spanish, my care about human rights in Mexico and for Mexican immigrants in the USA. I have many Mexican friends too. I’ve posted great things about the Pueblo Bonito timeshare company and the Intercontinental Hotels in Cancun and Cozumel. I am a scuba diver and love diving in Cozumel. I love Puerto Vallarta. But the fact is Mexico is experiencing an increase in crime and murders and it is a human rights crisis. That is my worry and concern for the Mexican people. To be honest, I am not too worried about Americans in Mexico since the Mexican government is trying to protect foreign tourists. I only posted the recent story about the American couple and their dog that was murdered because it seems Americans only pay attention when an American is killed. Americans are not victims in Mexico. The Mexican people are the ones in pain and distress.
 

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Dear TravelTime,

Just think how much better we would feel if we would learn too speak Mayan when visiting Cancun and Cozumel.
 

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Dear TravelTime,

Just think how much better we would feel if we would learn too speak Mayan when visiting Cancun and Cozumel.
The problem is that there is no "Mayan" language. Mayan communities speak a variety of different languages, and dialects of those languages. It is not uncommon for indigenous Mayan people from communities less than 60 miles away from each other to be unable to communicate.

The organizations in Central America that we are involved generally work in Spanish. But when they go into a community they generally need to bring along an interpreter who speaks the specific language spoken in the region.
 

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Regarded as the place to go for an emergency by ex-pats in Mazatlan is Sharp Hospital. If you have a heart problem or stroke out this hospital has the means to keep you alive. This facility does accept many types of medical insurance. Even so, it is better to purchase a travel policy that will cover emergencies before you head anywhere in Mexico, imo.

https://www.hospitalsharp.com/especialidades/
 

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My mother went to the ER at Sharp in Mazatlan a few years ago when we were staying there. The service was excellent. The Sharp hospital in Mazatlan is affiliated with Sharp in San Diego. Her insurance covered it though the charges were very low.
 

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Safe!

Do not be afraid to exchange into a timeshare in Mexico.

We have sold our Hawaii, Massachusetts, and Florida timeshares and bought were we want to go - Mexico!!!:) We now own 15 weeks in Mexico and if it were not safe, we would not take our family there (especially our grandson). We feel comfortable enough about the safety that last year I drove 3 other gals down to Puerto Penasco from Phoenix without my husband (it was his idea that we drive down there). This year I am going to Acapulco MP in January with just girls. We drive to Mazatlan to spend the month of June each year.
 

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The Fox news article has nothing to do with the caravans and the border crisis. It is about the safety of tourism in Mexico and nothing else.
 
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After some thought, I think I want to make one last pushback on your previous posts.

I proffer that many of us who go to Mexico do so, in part, because we have an affinity for the people and the culture. We do not have our heads in the sand; rather we are acutely aware of conditions in the country.

We do often emphatically counter those who paint the whole country with a brush palleted in the gratuitous headlines of a sensationalist news media that uses fearmongering to generate page views. We try to stand against those who proclaim that they would never go to a country as "dangerous" as Mexico, when they have never set foot in Mexico and evidence no awareness of the nuances of the country.

We know that when we go to Mexico, we are supporting economic activities that create opportunities for Mexican people who are opposed to the gang culture. We tip the housekeeping staff to help ensure that they have a living wage. Some of us leave our resorts to be more involved locally. We patronize business people who have set up shop to make an honest living by supporting the tourism industry. We ride buses and take taxis. We visit mercados for produce and meat. Others of us might chose to stay primarily at the resort, having an isolated "all inclusive" vacation. But even then, the money spent at the resort supports the people who work at the resort. In either case, by going to the country and spending money, we are supporting alternatives to the violence subculture.

We do not go to Mexico in guilt. We go to Mexico proudly, knowing that by doing so we are in some small measure rewarding those who simply want to do honest work and get paid for their efforts.
 

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I have a great deal of affinity for the Mexican People and their culture. My wife is Mexican. I am very close to her family that all live in Mexico. We were married in her hometown of Culiacan Sinaloa and lived there. I am fluent in Spanish and owned a business there. Our son played baseball there. We wre very immersed in the Mexican music scene. So don't tell me that I don't have affinity. For the people.

Having said that there is no denying that Mexico has become a very violent country. Of the 5 most dangerous cities in the world, 4 of them are in Mexico. You can kook that up. Three of them are tourist destinations.
 

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We are in Puerto Aventuras now (a gated, marina community). We have been here for 3 weeks and have 2 more to go. Not a sign or whiff of violence here.
 
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