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Southwest still mum on Hawaii schedule

Discussion in 'US - Hawaii Timesharing' started by RNCollins, Aug 28, 2018.

  1. RNCollins

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    Southwest still mum on Hawaii schedule
    https://www.travelweekly.com/Travel-News/Airline-News/Southwest-still-mum-on-Hawaii-schedule

    By Robert Silk / Travel Weekly / August 21, 2018

    “Denver -- Southwest, which is still waiting on FAA approval to begin its much-anticipated Hawaii service, won't schedule flights until that regulatory process is over, chief revenue officer Andrew Watterson said.

    The carrier has said that it will fly to Hawaii from Oakland, San Jose, Sacramento and San Diego. Specific routes haven't been announced, but its Hawaii destinations will be Honolulu, Maui the Big Island and Kauai. Southwest also plans to offer inter-island service.

    The attention the plans are getting has irked at least one Southwest competitor.

    "We get asked a lot about Southwest right now, which has done a masterful job of getting a lot of column inches in various publications by announcing very little," Hawaiian Airlines CEO Peter Ingram said in May.

    Speaking Monday at the International Aviation Forecast Summit at Denver's downtown Hyatt Regency, Watterson said he hopes airlines will continue to voice aggravation about the lack of information Southwest has revealed.

    "I'm going to continue to needle my competitors and hope that they'll complain and talk about it, so we'll get free advertising," he said.

    Nobody remembers when a new air service starts, Watterson added, but people remember if the launch gets screwed up.

    Southwest is working through the process of getting Extended Operations Service (Etops) authorizations from the FAA for each of the Boeing 737 Max 8 and 737-800 aircraft it intends to use for Hawaii service.”

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    so.....I might just have an inside source to 'consult' with this weekend.

    If I get any feedback.....I'll update.
    Very hush hush you know. JK
     
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    The last reasonable information I read indicated it's likely to be October or November before SWA's can even consider the start up of ticket sales. This based on typical timetables based off the speed, or lack thereof, getting all the i's dotted and t's crossed (FAA requirements, pilot training, training runs et....).
    I don't look for much "new" information until maybe the end of Sept at the earliest and maybe as late as November.

    To that end we have our flights booked on United for our Feb. timeshare stay. Waiting on SWA's was going to cut it way to close for my tastes.
     
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    We are going to BI next May, hoping to get a good price on Southwest. Hawaiian is still $700 RT from LAX, they don’t put spring fares on sale until Jan so I’m holding out.


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    If only I could fly RT to Hawaii that cheap! Sigh...

    Kurt
     
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    It takes time to negotiate with the airports for counter space, gate assignments, even take-off and landing time spots. Then construction and staffing. There is far more to it than just announcing a route and selling some tickets. SW has shown that they know the RIGHT way to run an airline.

    Jim
     
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    Hmmm don't hold your breath....but I'll report back if I hear anything
     
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    Wow. I'm surprised it's that much from LAX in the spring, which isn't a high season.

    Earlier this year, we booked RT Charlotte to HNL and then Kona back to Charlotte for a high season next Feb/Mar for only $868. That's from the east cost, and only $168 more than low season from LAX. Really strange because Charlotte is usually a high-fare market since AA has such a monopoly here. On top of the good fare, my wife just qualified for AA Platinum, so we were able to rebook our seats to Main Cabin Extra for free.
     
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    I'm surprised as well. We can fly RT from the Bay Area to Maui in March for around $400 each on Alaska Airlines. Since I have a companion fare for two of us it would be around $500.
     
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    I just checked again and its dropped to $635 but then there are bag fees, and thats economy coach. May 1-15th.

    I used to fly from Sacramento for $399 RT before Aloha packed in, I think SWA competition will bring down prices again.


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    Fingers crossed for nonstop Sacramento to Kahalui.
     
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    This summer we flew RT from PHX $400 to Lihue.


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    Well, as promised, a little bit of update.

    This isn't 'secret' information, but it definitely has a well-informed opinion from someone with a good view of the situation.

    There are 3 issues affecting the SWA Hawaii deployment:
    Equipment
    Support
    Approval.

    I don't think the equipment is going to be a problem...once they are able to demonstrate the flights
    I don't think the approval will be a problem....once they are fully ready to go...

    Support:
    Training the pilot/crew force isn't a huge issue...it's a common place activity for airlines. Many already have the experience from previous lives....
    Training the maintainers.......well, that might be a sticky wicket.

    I fear that SWA has a labor issue to resolve with their maintainers. Once this issue is resolved....the maintainers will need to be trained and deployed for the ETOPS operations. There is an opinion afloat that once the labor agreement is solved....many who receive the training/benefits may retire. This could cause some significant delays in training and deploying support for the operations. Obviously, these labor agreements are always tricky.

    Of course, this is just conjecture. In fact, SWA could throw gobs of money at the operation and field it quite quickly. This seems unlikely.

    Again, I think the Hawaii operations are still a good way off. I wish them the best of luck...
     
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