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Security alert Playa del carmen & security concerns in Mexico (merged)

Discussion in 'Mexico Timesharing' started by pianoetudes, Mar 1, 2018.

  1. WalnutBaron

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    CBS News reports that the U.S. consulate in the Yucatan area of Mexico has been closed because of undisclosed threats to American government personnel. The State Department is also issuing warnings to American tourists.

    If you’ve planned to spend spring break in the tourist resorts of the Yucatan Peninsula, you may want to reconsider.The State Department abruptly closed the US consulate in the popular tourist destination of Playa del Carmen late Wednesday evening and ordered US government employees to stay out of the area. They warn other Americans either in the region or thinking of traveling to it about a “real crime threat” from local drug cartels:


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    The State Dept. abruptly closed the U.S. consulate in Playa Del Carmen, Mexico, and is prohibiting all U.S. government employees from traveling to the resort town. Government sources tell CBS News this is because of a “real crime threat” connected to warring drug cartels:
    Mexico denied any such issues exist, however, and noted that the Mexican president attended a conference in the city yesterday:

    The government of the Caribbean coast state of Quintana Roo said that President Enrique Pena Nieto was scheduled to attend an ocean conservation conference in Playa del Carmen on Thursday.

    “All tourism and economic activity in Playa del Carmen continues in a normal manner,” the state government wrote in a statement, noting that hotel occupancy at the resort was 80 percent.

    “We do not know why the U.S. government decided to emit this alert,” the government said.

    Two weeks ago, a tourist ferry boat exploded as it traveled between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel, injuring five Americans and 19 Mexicans. Authorities later found another ferry wired with explosives, which prompted the State Department to bar all personnel from using the ferries. Other violence in the region has been mainly confined to the drug trade, the Associated Press notes, with a shooting in a hospital that killed a suspected drug gang member and his wife, and an attack on a prosecutor’s office in Cancun two months ago.

    According to ABC, though, the threat is unrelated to the ferry attacks, which investigators suspect may have been motivated by insurance fraud:

    The U.S. Embassy in Mexico said Thursday that a security alert about the Caribbean resort of Playa del Carmen was not related to an explosion on a ferry that injured at least two dozen people.

    The embassy did not specify what kind of security threat it had been informed of in the resort, which is near Cancun, Cozumel and Tulum.

    But it did say that “we do not have information relating the ferry explosion to the security threat in Playa del Carmen.”

    Whatever the threat is, it has Canada spooked, too, and so do the ferry bombs:

    Thursday’s update to the Canadian travel advisory notes the U.S. Embassy is advising Americans that ‎its consulate in Playa del Carmen has been closed until further notice. As well, all U.S. government employees are now prohibited from travelling to Playa del Carmen until further notice. …

    Thursday’s notice from Global Affairs Canada advises against cruise excursions using ferry services in Playa del Carmen.

    “Avoid tourist ferries travelling in the region until further notice, be vigilant and monitor local media (including social media),” reads the advisory.

    Canadians are advised to exercise a high degree of caution when visiting all parts of Mexico “due to high levels of criminal activity, as well as demonstrations, protests and occasional illegal roadblocks.”

    The State Department emphasized that this was not a low-level travel advisory but a warning, while stopping short of telling people not to travel to the area:

    The State Department official said Wednesday’s security alert for Playa del Carmen is different from a travel advisory and is meant to inform U.S. citizens “of specific safety and security concerns in a country, such as demonstrations, crime trends and weather events.”

    The State Department’s travel advisory for Mexico remains at Level 2, which comes with a note to “exercise increased caution.” The state of Quintana Roo also comes with a Level 2 warning.

    “According to Government of Mexico statistics, the state experienced an increase in homicide rates compared to the same period in 2016,” the warning for Quintana Roo states. “While most of these homicides appeared to be targeted, criminal organization assassinations, turf battles between criminal groups have resulted in violent crime in areas frequented by U.S. citizens. Shooting incidents injuring or killing bystanders have occurred.”

    Well, that sounds like a fun vacation! Who wouldn’t want to participate in an exciting shore excursion like that? These issues aren’t really new; an OSAC report two years ago noted the dramatic increases in crime for parts of the Yucatan Peninsula. At that time, the murder rate had increased by 40% over the preceding two years, and violent robberies had gone up 43%. Even non-violent robbery was becoming a bad problem there, with significant cybersecurity and credit-card scam operations in Cancun and Playa del Carmen getting specific mention.

    The Mexican government’s mystified response belies an earlier warning it sent out. In January, the Mexican government told American travelers to stay out of five other states over similar concerns. If State is issuing a heightened level of alert now in the Yucatan, it suggests that the issues may be overwhelming Mexican efforts to protect their tourist trade. It’s a good bet that the Mexican government knows full well why the US decided to “emit” this alert.

    Of course, parts of the US might be no better for public safety, but few people would travel to those spots for an expensive vacation, either. It might be better to either stay in the US or look to the Caribbean for a warm-water spring break this year. You can get a good beach drink almost anywhere these days without landing in the middle of a drug war.
     
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  2. PamMo

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    To keep this thread up to date, I just got this alert:

    Security Alert - U. S. Embassy Mexico City, Mexico (March 9, 2018)


    Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico


    Event: Due to an ongoing security threat, the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City is revising its travel restrictions to Playa del Carmen for U.S. government personnel. U.S. government personnel are prohibited from travel to Centro, Calica, Gonzalo Guerrero, Quintas del Carmen, and Villas del Carmen neighborhoods of Playa del Carmen. These neighborhoods are bordered by Avenida Benito Juarez, 50 Avenida Sur (Highway 307), and Calle 34 Norte. U.S. citizens should avoid those neighborhoods until further notice. U.S. government personnel are authorized to travel to resort areas in Riviera Maya including those near Playa del Carmen that are outside the restricted neighborhoods of this Alert.


    Absent additional changes in the security situation, the U.S. Consular Agency in Playa del Carmen will reopen for normal operations on Monday, March 12.


    The circumstances surrounding the security threat affecting the above neighborhoods is separate from the threat against ferries operating between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel. U.S. government personnel are still prohibited from using ferry services between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel until further notice. U.S. citizens should not use ferry services operating between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel.



    Actions to Take:

    · U.S. citizens should avoid those neighborhoods in Playa del Carmen listed above until further notice.

    · U.S. citizens should not use ferry services operating between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel.

    · Be aware of your surroundings and exercise increased caution.

    · Purchase travel insurance that specifically covers you in Mexico and includes medical evacuation insurance.

    · Contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if you need assistance.
     
  3. Southdown13

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    Thanks for posting. We were on the fence about going to PDC next week and had decided to go anyway. This update makes us feel a little better.
     
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    The consular office is up and running this week. There ARE warnings for Americans to avoid going into certain Playa Del Carmen neighborhoods, though. Most tourists don't go there anyway.

    This thread should be combined with the other thread on the same topic, which has updated information.
     
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    The threads have been combined.
     
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    I'm traveling to Playa del Carmen with my fiancée and her three sons on Saturday for a one-week stay. I've read the news reports about recent crimes and the bomb detonated on the ferry to Cozumel. At first I was spooked but having read a bit more, it seems most incidents are between rival drug gang members and the killings are targeted (though tourists can be injured as bystanders, of course). We plan to use a bit of extra caution and would not plan to take a cab with a stranger at 2:00 am from a club anyway. There is also safety and numbers and, given the tens of thousands of tourists (who are not normally the targets) we plan to blend in with the herd. That being said, I have a question to do with taxis, etc. Can folks who've been there recently (or are there now) recommend a good protocol for getting around (other than when we're on foot walking to the beach or whatnot)? Looking for some practical tips from people who know the area and situation well. Thanks!
     
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    There are different taxi's for different areas. The taxi's at the airport pay to be at the airport. At the resorts there are rules between taxi's that prevent them from picking up at certain locations. One thing all of these taxi's have in common is they are not metered so you have to ask how much before you go. Ask the resort door man who to use and get a phone number to call the door man or concierge to arrange your ride if you get a bad vibe.

    In Cancun area, Uber has started up and there is a bit of a fight going on between Uber and the taxi Union with some Uber drivers killed. So I guess stay away from Uber.

    Bill
     
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    Context matters.

    You are more likely to die attending a concert or going to a nightclub in the US, where some deranged person opens fire. Or your children are more likely to die in a school shooting in the US than they are traveling to Cancún with you.

    In Mexico murders are not nearly as random as they are in the US. People in Mexico get killed mostly because they are involved in dangerous activities. Not like in the US, where you never know if you're going to be assaulted by some crazy person, or find yourself in the middle of a drive-by shooting. And if you wander into the wrong neighborhood in a major US city, I think you're much more likely to find yourself dead than in Mexico.

    How about comparing homicide rates (from the Miami Herald)?

     
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    Two of the neighbourhoods being advised to stay out of are Centro and Calica. These are actually places where a lot of tourists go. From the beach up to Highway 307, this is an area with lots of shops, restaurants, the post office, grocery stores, the bus station among others.

    These neighborhoods are bordered by Avenida Benito Juarez, 50 Avenida Sur (Highway 307), and Calle 34 Norte. Basically, it is the tourist core that they're saying to avoid.
     
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    I could take these warnings more seriously if the government was working with consular offices from other countries to identify areas in the US that are equally dangerous, if not more dangerous, than the areas the government is warning about in other countries.

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    FWIW - Last month we spent a week in Puerto Vallarta, in a Mexican, non-gringo neighborhood, not part of the tourist zone. I felt much safer there than I did in the neighborhood near Pioneer Square (tourist locale) in downtown Seattle where I worked for a number of years.
     
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    We spent 2 weeks over Christmas in Mérida Centro. There are no tourist zones in Mérida that I know of. We went out to dine after dark several times, and sensed no fear among the locals. But then, Mérida prides itself on being the most crime-free city in Mexico. The local cantina/beer garden (La Negrita) was quite raucous, though. But everyone there, staff and customers, was friendly and helpful (we dined there 3 times). They seemed happy to have us join them...and taught me how to drink mezcal. Good mezcal can be quite good. Did you know that it's best with a wedge of orange...not lime, as you might use with tequila.
     
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    Congratulations Bob - on reaching 1000 messages with this post
     
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    To keep this thread current, here's today's update:

    Security Alert - U. S. Embassy Mexico City, Mexico (March 16, 2018)

    Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico

    Event: As a result of recent incidents in Playa del Carmen, Quintana Roo, Mexico, Mexican municipal, state, and federal entities have put into place new security procedures in tourist areas.

    Effective immediately, U.S. government personnel are permitted to travel to all parts of Playa del Carmen.

    Effective immediately, U.S. government personnel are permitted to use ferry services between Playa del Carmen and Cozumel.

    As noted in our Mexico Travel Advisory for the state of Quintana Roo, U.S. citizens should exercise increased caution due to crime. According to Government of Mexico statistics, the state experienced an increase in homicide rates compared to the same period in 2016. While most of these homicides appeared to be targeted, criminal organization assassinations, turf battles between criminal groups have resulted in violent crime in areas frequented by U.S. citizens. Shooting incidents injuring or killing bystanders have occurred.

    Actions to Take:

    · Be aware of your surroundings and exercise increased caution due to crime as noted in our Mexico Travel Advisory.

    · Purchase travel insurance that specifically covers you in Mexico and includes medical evacuation insurance.

    · Contact the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate if you need assistance.

    Assistance:

    U.S. Embassy Mexico City, Mexico

    (01-55) 5080-2000

    ACSMexicoCity@state.gov

    https://mx.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/

    State Department - Consular Affairs

    888-407-4747 or 202-501-4444

    Mexico Country Information

    Enroll in Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive security updates
     
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    I’m here now. Armed military everywhere. People are having fun. Place is packed.
     
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    Same here in Cabo. Spring break is in full force this month.
     
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    Needless to say, it is almost without precedent for innocent bystanders to be killed or injured in gang battles in the US.
     
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    I was just watching a very disturbing video about what the police are doing to cover up the murders in Cancun.
    They know that once word gets out then that's the end of tourism there like Acapulco.

    Yes they are mostly drug related but that doesn't mean there isn't collateral damage happening.

    I love Cancun and Playa but sadly won't be returning any time soon except by ship.
    It's really a shame but these cartels are destroying the nation.
    It's very sad to see happen to such a beautiful country and people.

    Here's the video.
     
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    So sad. I love Cancun, too. How is it that the government of Mexico can watch this happening and not find a way to stop it? Is the corruption so deep at every level that officials stand by and watch their country go to ruin?
     
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    Very disturbing information on this video. We went to Mexico five times in the past 8 months. We have decided after some disturbing experiences that we will not be returning.
     
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    When we were in Cancun last October we saw a heavy police presence on the beaches. Federales walking up and down on the beach and then armed patrols in open jeeps on the streets. With Cancun mostly being an isthmus (well not exactly an isthmus but entry only at two narrow points), I would think it's easier to police than almost any other region in Mexico. I felt safe there.
     
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    The video is informative in showing us that ignorance is bliss. The tourists interviewed had no knowledge of what was going on because the police, the government, the media don't want anyone to know, and they're doing a pretty good job of it.

    The heavy police presence in tourist areas can be described as "security theatre"; just keep those gringos coming.
     
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    Your quotes have one thing in common: They are insensitive.

    I get your message clearly: everyone should feel very safe in Mexico and very afraid if vacationing in the US.

    Not your message? Then please think before posting.

    I can not believe that you posted comments suggesting that peoples kids are likely to die in a school shooting...given current conditions.

    GROW UP.

    Mexico currently has problems with violence and they are trying to fix them. We get that. But there are kinder ways to say it.

    I didn't post the first time, but I am now. That's my opinion.
    Flame somewhere else please.
     
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    Hi Karen ,
    If you combined every thread you closed that involved variations of this topic / it would be one long thread full of OPINIONS that other readers take issue with .
    "Security Alerts" that (some feel) read like : " It is snowing in Tahoe so avoid travel to Los Angeles " - complicate it further .

    Just my opinion .[/QUOTE]
     
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