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Outline of HGVC Elite Benefits

Discussion in 'Hilton Grand Vacations Club / HGVC' started by 2travelinggoatz, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. 2travelinggoatz

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    Didn't need to look there. We could have (and already have :)) told you that!

    Cheers.
     
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    But it’s called elite! It HAS to be worth it!
     
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    LOL!!! So true.... I guess I was hoping?
     
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    Well maybe the "thinking" is that if you decide that you must own at least 14.000 points then we (HGVC) would like to add a little (very very tiny) benefit on top.
     
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    That's 14K ***developer*** points, not resale market points....
     
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    Indeed. We own more than 14K points...resale points. When we go to W. 57th they now call us Elite, but I'm sure that we wouldn't really get any of the defined Elite benefits in the real world.

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    What's even more shocking/surprising is the amount of people on the FB group that are "elite is *so* worth it", LOL!
    They probably pay full MSRP for cars as well. :)

    I've always wondered what the "cheapest" Developer cost would be to get Elite (depends on which level of Elite, I know).
     
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    When I recently purchased a resale Florida affiliate, I did check out resales from the agent at the resort and was told ( as I was told by another last year) if I purchased from the resort agent the points from them they would count towards elite.

    This particular sale the price was closer then most, within $1200, but I chose to save the $ versus having points towards elite.
     
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    Well, I am one of those suckers. I have 24000 points purchased from Hilton, making it Elite Plus. It’s not that much different than Elite. At each level, they push the next tier up. Elite Premier (34000 points) allows use of Registry Collection in which you can use your club points for nicer (than RCI) resorts at Disney (like Aulani) and other similar companies.

    Sean
     
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    I seem to recall that you got this via an affiliate resale broker in Scotland at a discount?

    How expensive and available are the Registry Collection units? I looked at some of the Villas of Distinction offered via the Elite portal and some were 14k points a night! Perhaps because we are lowly non-elites?

    LoL, one of the properties thought we were elite and we got the welcome cookies. Had we actually paid for elite, the cost per cookie would be quite expensive!
     
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    Nope - my trail of points is interesting (and expensive).
    • 2010 - bought 3750 (gold) at West 57th
    • 2011 - upgrade to 5250 (Platinum) at West 57th
    • 2015 - “upgrade” to 14,400 Kings Land (fixed New Years) and became Elite
    • 2016 - bought back into W57 with gold week 3750
    • 2018 - “upgraded” 18,100 points to 24,000 at Hilton Club NYC. Now Elite Plus
    We love NYC and travel there 2-3x per year and should have stayed pat with Platinum week at W57. Immediately regretted Kings Land as it was then not easy to book into W57. That’s why I bought gold week (after being told ALL my points could be used at W57). Then they changed to separate By Hilton Club points and I needed a way to use my points in NYC (outside the 44day window). We need multiple rooms or 2bedroom so HCNY works well.

    Sean
     
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    @Smclaugh99 My apologies, I mixed you up with another Tugger. IMHO I would be very mad at the rep that sold you Kingsland. Perhaps they noticed that you were an elite plus that had paid into the system and let your incredible W57 deal pass ROFR as Karmic payback. :)

    BTW...we love NYC too. Cannot wait to go back as we just added a few more activity ideas for next time.
     
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    The reality is that it was never supposed to be allowed to use non-bHC points for bHC. It just worked that way because points where in a common tool. Unfortunately the fixed that loophole.

    Cheers.
     
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    Yes - I don’t blame them for separating the points, especially as someone who paid retail for the points (twice). It was just annoying that the sales person used the loophole to encourage the sale. I know - his lips were moving .

    Sean
     
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    OK so now I'm confused. I own at HCNY and have 5k points. Now let's say I buy another 5K points retail at, let's just say a Vegas property, the 5K points purchases in Vegas can't be used the same way in NYC that I now use my current 5k points from HCNY?? If it is any consolation to Smclaugh99 I have also been told by HGVC sales reps trying to sell me (in Vegas) that I could as well. I know there are 44 day booking issues but I thought as an owner that didn't apply as "points are points" (that's exactly what the sales rep said).
     
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    I could be very wrong here, but my understanding is that the only points you can book at bHC resorts before the 44 day window are those that are in the bHC bucket. Once the 44 day hits, you can book with regular HGVC points. Otherwise, people would buy the smallest amount of bHC points and purchase regular HGVC points (maybe even resale, oh the horror) and HGVC would be out a bunch of money. From a business and marketing standpoint, I completely understand it. From a member point, I understand the frustration too.
     
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    Correct, HGV separated the HGVC and bHC points into separate buckets and closed that loophole. This post - here - has more information.
     
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    Nope. Was never supposed to be that way (so they were simply lying). It did work that way when all the points went into one bucket. Now they go into two buckets. And they do a frightfully good job of bucket management.

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    To make it extra confusing, if you own 5k HCNY points, those points can be used anywhere. However, if you own other points elsewhere, you can use them within 44day window at By Hilton Club properties, but you can NEVER use those at HCNY. Remember, Hilton Club is a club-within-a-club, so only HCNY points can be used there.

    Sean
     
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    OMG did I get sold a bill of goods!!! Yes I bought several years ago apparently before the "loop hole" was closed and was obviously never told of what the future would be. I am going to call about the NEVER using HGVC points at HCNY, this was clearly NOT was I was told. This was definitely a bait and switch deal if this is indeed true! My plan had been, just as others implied, was to by additional properties resale and pretty much use the points in NYC (I already have a Hawaii property). Well this certainly changes things if true.
     
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    Lips moving . . . If it’s not in writing, it’s not happening. I believe you can buy into bHC properties resale and they get put into the bHC bucket. Those deeds are a fair amount more expensive, but that possibility is there.
     
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    Yes you can but as you said those points/deeds are definitely pricey. I bought into HCNY basically when it was brand new and in fact they said the opposite to me that "points are points" and "now that I own in NYC I can go out and buy elsewhere". Never adding the fact that in the future I could not use the HGVC points at my home property! I would have bought at 57th St. had I known that fact, I was actually looking at both properties but the HCNY ease of booking was appealing to me as at the time my wife worked in NYC. Personally the 57th St. property I feel is nicer anyway. Well I will call and verify but if this is indeed the case I won't have any problem at the future "owners update" that I recently signed up for. In fact they will be speaking with a very angry owner who they will probably will want to get out the door ASAP. I won't be buying any more Hilton properties resale or direct that's for sure after this debacle!!
     
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    I get your frustration, but owning at HCNY does have some perks. Since only owners can book there, the competition for reservations is much less. And they have very spacious 2bedroom units (comes in handy if you are looking to rent it out to ‘family’ to help with MF). The points can be converted at any amount, at any time to HHonors at 50:1 (yes, It would be foolish to do so). By Hilton Club properties let you convert 50:1 but the entire allotment of your points to do so. No other properties have such flexibility. Because the HCNY points are so valuable/expensive, I would not recommend using those at any other property besides HCNY.

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    I hadn't thought of this limitation for HCNY. Although the ease of short notice reservation is nice, if you are out of HCNY points, then you are stuck unless you use open season which is not cheap.

    It sounds like W57 offers the best trade off of both worlds: Owner only reservations to 45 days instead of 60 days for Residences and District, plus if you are short on points you can still use your regular HGVC points within 44 days if there is availability. We used Vegas club points instead of bHC points on part of a recent visit that we planned on short notice within the 44 day window. Of course it helped that it was not high season to get the availability and we only needed a studio. W57 also has lower MF than HCNY and Residences too. Biggest problem with W57 is that there are no 2 bdrm units and no washer/dryers on site. However I believe none of the NYC properties have laundry - wash and folds around the block but takes planning to drop off and pick up during business hours.
     
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