... and I am wondering the same.
I may have to check out this tomorrow AM. Too hard to do in the phone screen.I was wondering the same thing...
Reading other posts by gdstuart, his Monarch week was bought in 2006 through Marriott resales.I was wondering the same thing...
Yes. As long as you bought from the developer or from Marriott Resale, which I did.Are you saying that now pre 12/17 can be enrolled by simply electing and without buying points?
I mean, didn't they pretty much have this with the original SVN that most of us belong to?
All the resorts belong to the original VSN and depending on your home interval, your MFs could vary widely for the same number of SOS. If you want a better 12 mo reservation you buy the better resort, if you don't care, you buy SVV for better buy in price.
As long as your Marriott week was purchased prior to Dec. 2017, you can exercise this conversion.
So the rule hasn't changed. The purchased prior to date is not December 2017, it is June 2010. As long as one purchased an external resale week prior to June 2010 or purchased a true developer week (not a Marriott Resales week) you can enroll the week in the Destinations Club program. Not necessarily sure why December 2017 was mentioned as that date really has no relevance on if you can enroll or not. Marriott has been offering some deals lately where people can enroll for varying fees or often for free with a presentation or Encore Package purchase.Yes. As long as you bought from the developer or from Marriott Resale, which I did.
Just checked, rule has not changed...too bad...I actually got excited to potentially enroll my post 2010 resale KoOlina 2BROV.So the rule hasn't changed. The purchased prior to date is not December 2017, it is June 2010. As long as one purchased an external resale week prior to June 2010 or purchased a true developer week (not a Marriott Resales week) you can enroll the week in the Destinations Club program. Not necessarily sure why December 2017 was mentioned as that date really has no relevance on if you can enroll or not. Marriott has been offering some deals lately where people can enroll for varying fees or often for free with a presentation or Encore Package purchase.
Here’s what surprised me. They only keep the deeded and the flex units separate between the 8-12 month reservation window. After 8 months, they all go into a pool together, along with Nanea and every other property. So if you don’t use your owner 8-12 month window, any flex owner as well as all deeded owners share the same chance of booking. I guess that’s no different from what happens today, but it was good to hear it straight from the developer.
They are offering an owner “discount” of something less than 10% of a cost they recently made up for this program, so hard to know if it’s worth anything at all: $51,835 for 148,100 WF options, or $61,845 for 176,700 WF options.
What about the resale voluntary flex owners? I would suspect that they may have to hold back some inventory for them after the eight month mark since they don't have access to SO reservations?Here’s what surprised me. They only keep the deeded and the flex units separate between the 8-12 month reservation window. After 8 months, they all go into a pool together, along with Nanea and every other property. So if you don’t use your owner 8-12 month window, any flex owner as well as all deeded owners share the same chance of booking. I guess that’s no different from what happens today, but it was good to hear it straight from the developer.
What about the resale voluntary flex owners? I would suspect that they may have to hold back some inventory for them after the eight month mark since they don't have access to SO reservations?
I still think the Westin Flex price is crazy and won't have many takers.
I still think the Westin Flex price is crazy and won't have many takers.
I still think the Westin Flex price is crazy and won't have many takers.
Seems like they are able to sell lots of Sheraton Flex, and this will have the "Hawaii access at 12 months" to upsell to existing owners.
I agree and think that the upfront pricing is a huge turnoff. I guess this is the result of what happens when you have to repackage what’s already expensive - WMH and WDW weeks. At what points do people catch on and it ultimately hurts sales. Unfortunately there will be a lot of sugar in the meetings. Hopefully this doesn’t breed much harder sales.....
Maybe I am putting my blinders on but it feels that Marriott has a better value proposition than Vistana. As you know I did not balk at buying from Marriott directly but have a real issue with the Westin Flex price.It really is no different than Marriott's DC program. When it first came out it was much more expensive than buying weeks. MFs were also much higher. Just the same. Marriott hasn't had issue selling their points and their stock price is soaring. I suspect that Vistana will have similar experiences selling their flex products.
It really is no different than Marriott's DC program. When it first came out it was much more expensive than buying weeks. MFs were also much higher. Just the same. Marriott hasn't had issue selling their points and their stock price is soaring. I suspect that Vistana will have similar experiences selling their flex products.
I think Vistana is getting inventory filled through ROFR.I generally agree with this, and remain puzzled where Vistana is going to get the inventory needed to satisfy demand.
Marriott did the brilliant thing of allowing existing owners to enroll and give up their rights to the critically needed weeks (and at a discount, no less).
I wonder how Vistana is going to satisfy the Flex Owner who wants to go to Hawaii - Maui first, then Kauai.
The owners of the underlying weeks aren’t incentivized to give up their usage. They are already in (Direct or Mandatory) and they aren’t getting a premium of points to spend on the other properties. And the portfolio has a limited number of properties.
It’s an odd system. I remain curious to see how it matures.
Best,
Greg
Vistana has the advantage of already having a point system in place. Because flex owners get access to everything available at 8 months, there is less of a need for them to have the trust "full" to start with. Thus, they probably concluded it was more lucrative to get less sign ups from existing owners at very high prices than to get most people to sign up at lower prices.I generally agree with this, and remain puzzled where Vistana is going to get the inventory needed to satisfy demand.
Marriott did the brilliant thing of allowing existing owners to enroll and give up their rights to the critically needed weeks (and at a discount, no less).
I wonder how Vistana is going to satisfy the Flex Owner who wants to go to Hawaii - Maui first, then Kauai when Maui isn’t available.
The owners of the underlying weeks aren’t incentivized to give up their usage. They are already in (Direct or Mandatory) and they aren’t getting a premium of points to spend on the other properties to entice them to give up control (Marriott Hawaii owners got tons of points for their week) and the Westin portfolio has a limited number of properties. And why doesn’t it include all Westin properties (Kierland would be cool to add)?
It’s an odd system. I remain curious to see how it matures.
Best,
Greg
A sales agent told me that Westin Kierland Villas (WKV) is coming into the Flex Program. Anyone know anything about that. Also, can anyone confirm the annual fees for the 148,100 properties under Flex. I saw the one post earlier.