"New" Westin Flex - Includes WPORV, WKORV, WKORVN

[PamMo]

It's my understanding that OF units at WKORV and WKORVN are not part of the Westin Flex program - is that correct? We went to an abbreviated Owner Update last year, and were told we should enroll one of our WKORV oceanview units in Flex to get all the benefits(???). I was surprised oceanfront units could not be enrolled, because they'd be popular with Flex owners. It didn't make any sense to us at the time, but I really should have paid more attention.

 

[controller1]

It's my understanding that OF units at WKORV and WKORVN are not part of the Westin Flex program - is that correct? We went to an abbreviated Owner Update last year, and were told we should enroll one of our WKORV oceanview units in Flex to get all the benefits(???). I was surprised oceanfront units could not be enrolled, because they'd be popular with Flex owners. It didn't make any sense to us at the time, but I really should have paid more attention.

That is correct. WKORV and WKORVN OF units are not in the Westin Flex program. Islandview units are what is listed for the Westin Flex program for those two resorts.

 

[lizap]

It's my understanding that OF units at WKORV and WKORVN are not part of the Westin Flex program - is that correct? We went to an abbreviated Owner Update last year, and were told we should enroll one of our WKORV oceanview units in Flex to get all the benefits(???). I was surprised oceanfront units could not be enrolled, because they'd be popular with Flex owners. It didn't make any sense to us at the time, but I really should have paid more attention.

My guess is it's only a matter of time before ALL units, including OF, are included in FLEX.

 

[cubigbird]

I wouldn’t be surprised to at some point see all Westin timeshares in Flex, then way down the road one gigantic combined flex program of all resorts in the system - Sheratons, Mexico etc. The sales machine has to be fed somehow and they always have to sell “something unique and new.” New resorts aren’t coming online in the US so new inventory just doesn’t exist so the flipping has to continue

In the end, I own where I want to go. We use our weeks during the home resort reservation period. There is too much going on and too much risk to be buying traders right now.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I never said that anyone reserved more than they owned as a total number of weeks per year. What i said was that more of the more sought after weeks of any particular season may end up being booked by those that can book earlier even if the total number of weeks per season per program may be ok.

hmmm... I never said you said that.
I was referring to VSE.


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[CalGalTraveler]

In the end, I own where I want to go. We use our weeks during the home resort reservation period. There is too much going on and too much risk to be buying traders right now.

+1 Given all the unknowns with Marriott and their history of squeezing as much as possible profit-wise from owners, I agree that buying traders right now is risky until we know their plans. They can never take away your deeded home resort rights and if they abuse the system there will be lawsuits.

Of course cost of an SVV Bella or Key West is minimal so the risk is small. However if you would not be happy staying there if that is your only option then you may get stranded.

 

[TravelTime]

The way Vistana is still pushing these Flex programs makes me wonder if MVC will keep the 2 systems. Perhaps there will be an umbrella program over both systems that allow people to exchange to/from both systems.

 

[vacationtime1]

The way Vistana is still pushing these Flex programs makes me wonder if MVC will keep the 2 systems. Perhaps there will be an umbrella program over both systems that allow people to exchange to/from both systems.

Perhaps, but that particular move would require Vistana to create and manage a third inventory pool -- one for WestinFlex, one for SheratonFlex, and one for those who enrolled in the umbrella program covering them both. Because those who don't enroll (i.e. those who choose not to pay an enrollment fee) are still legally entitled to a proportionate amount of the WestinFlex or SheratonFlex units (i.e. the units that were not enrolled). And remember that WestinFlex and SheratonFlex are already umbrella programs including both points owners and weeks owners who transferred their units at resorts with underlying weeks.

Giving the multiplicity of Vistana programs -- WestinFlex, SheratonFlex, HomeOptions, mandatory units, voluntary units purchased developer, voluntary units purchased on the secondary market, Adventuras, and the Florida Club -- a Marriott-wide umbrella program will be devilishly complicated. I suppose if they actually create one, the arbitrage possibilities resulting from any new program will be fascinating (and will be analyzed to death here).

 

[DeniseM]

Hi controller1 - Yes, that's interesting, but the date on this offer is 1/16/19, so not sure what's up with that.

 

[dioxide45]

As I noted above, Westin Flex is not new. It was in existence prior to the merger with Marriott Vacations Worldwide. Until or unless they have something new to sell, Westin has to keep selling their existing products to maintain the revenue stream from that side of the business and preserve the earning potential of the combined company.

Correct, the Trust was created way back in December 2017 with some conveyances coming shortly thereafter.

https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/new-westin-flex.266793/page-5#post-2088482

 

[dioxide45]

If one is adventurous enough to look and see what inventory is in the trust, go to the Orange County Comptroller's website and enter "flex collection llc" in to the "Either Party" section and uncheck the box so you can select certain document types and pick only Notice and Agreement. You will then be presented with search results that are the separate conveyances of weeks to the trust. There are over 90 of them, not sure if Nanea is in there. Also not sure where they created the Nanea trust program.

 

[steve b]

what is the trade in value of sheraton flex to a developer westin flex purchase and what is the current pricing? Also is the developer accepting the westin mission hills as trade in towards a westin flex purchase?

 

[triangulum33]

This is a long thread with some twist and turns.
Can someone tell me if anything has changed for me to use our ownership at WKORN 12mo or <8mo out?

 

[Robotpedlr]

This is a long thread with some twist and turns.
Can someone tell me if anything has changed for me to use our ownership at WKORN 12mo or <8mo out?

Nothing changed for you (or anyone else that sticks with their current ownership).... just new options for others that move to Flex.

 

[DavidnRobin]

what is the trade in value of sheraton flex to a developer westin flex purchase and what is the current pricing? Also is the developer accepting the westin mission hills as trade in towards a westin flex purchase?

1) Too complex to easily answer
2) Likely


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[DeniseM]

I learned a few new things about Westin Flex from a reliable source:

-They aren't selling Westin Flex in Hawaii yet, because they aren't registered to sell it in Hawaii.

-Vistana/Marriott has no plans to merge the various Flex programs.

-Nanea and Westin Flex are separate programs - they could not combine them because of the way Nanea was originally deeded.

-They hope to add part of WSJ to Westin Flex in the future.

 

[DavidnRobin]

-Nanea and Westin Flex are separate programs - they could not combine them because of the way Nanea was originally deeded.

How does this fit with someone’s claim they used Nanea HR options to book WKORVN Flex at 12 months?




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[DeniseM]

How does this fit with someone’s claim they used Nanea HR options to book WKORVN Flex at 12 months?

I'm not sure - I have to look into that further.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I'm not sure - I have to look into that further.

Perhaps it is the common theme of not knowing what one owns?

 

[DeniseM]

Perhaps it is the common theme of not knowing what one owns?

No - I think it's my mistake - I was unaware that Westin Flex existed at the time, and I made an incorrect assumption. I now believe that the owner owns Westin Flex, and I need to verify that with them.

 

[controller1]

I now believe that the owner owns Westin Flex, and I need to verify that with them.

In reviewing everything, that makes sense.

 

[cubigbird]

I learned a few new things about Westin Flex from a reliable source:

-They aren't selling Westin Flex in Hawaii yet, because they aren't registered to sell it in Hawaii.

-Vistana/Marriott has no plans to merge the various Flex programs.

-Nanea and Westin Flex are separate programs - they could not combine them because of the way Nanea was originally deeded.

-They hope to add part of WSJ to Westin Flex in the future.

Denise-

What phase of WSJ could be added - Sunset Bay??? They are currently Home options like Nanea. I assume that it would be separate inventory being Flex. As an owner of that resort, I would be upset to compete for 12 months usage.

On a related note, adding WSJ will certainly drive up MFs further in Westin Flex given the already high MFs at WSJ.

 

[controller1]

Denise-

What phase of WSJ could be added - Sunset Bay??? They are currently Home options like Nanea. I assume that it would be separate inventory being Flex. As an owner of that resort, I would be upset to compete for 12 months usage.

On a related note, adding WSJ will certainly drive up MFs further in Westin Flex given the already high MFs at WSJ.

As has been stated repeatedly, you will not be competing. Each inventory will be in a separate bucket. You will only be competing with the owners with who you are currently competing.

 

[DeniseM]

My source did not know what phase. You wouldn't really compete for 12 mo. usage, because there would be 2 buckets of inventory: Flex Option and Deeded weeks. The Flex Option owners could only reserve Flex Option inventory - they can't access the deeded weeks. My source also verified this.

 

[DavidnRobin]

I think WSJ-CV also sold HR ‘options/points’ based on season and villa type - similar to SB - but forgot what differentiated them. I am sure someone here knows.

Why couldn’t any inventory for WSJ be converted to Flex as long as it is in a separate Flex pool (or any resort really). Why not? They own it - as long as the MF payment are equivalent, why would the HOA care? They are controlling inventory owned by them, or surrendered to them (for whatever reason) — as long as it is a separate pool from non-Flex weeks.

Perhaps Flex could actually help some HOAs - especially ones with low season weeks.


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