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New Purchase - Points - Wyndham Bali Hai

Discussion in 'Wyndham Vacation Resorts' started by MJGO, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. MJGO

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    I am a newby and would love some guidance. We just contracted on a resale at the Wyndham Bali Hai. We stayed there and enjoyed it so we went to the presentation (pressure sale) then bought a resale from Timeshare Resales Hawaii

    It was listed at $12,000 for $517,000 points and we bought it for $10,340 ($.20/point). The maintenance fees are $185/month, so just over $2,200 a year. We are still in our 7 days and I want to make sure I am not missing anything before the rescission period ends.

    Our goal is to bring the whole family to Hawaii every other year so we can bank or borrow to get a 3 bedroom and 2 bedroom to accommodate 4 kids, spouses, and all the grandkids. I would love any tips or tricks to achieve the maximum for my points.

    I would love to hear the good, bad and ugly NOW rather than after my 7 days!
     
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  2. geerlijd

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    Good job, your resale price is far lower than Wyndham sales high pressure offer. Bali Hai is a great Wyndham resort to own and among the lowest maint fees.

    You overpaid a little, these often go for about $10/1000 pts on ebay. If you took some time you could find Bali Hai contracts for less than that from time to time. Search completed listings on eBay to see what these have sold for (and read the listings, since many have closing costs added to the listing price).

    There is all kinds of feedback on Wyndham if you read through this forum. My opinion is that the resorts selection and availability at 10 months is great if you can plan ahead. For Hawaii you will have no problem getting what you want at Bali Hai if you book in ARP at 13 months. Don't bother with a parking pass or owners update if you value your time highly.
     
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    Congratulations and I hope you and your family enjoy many wonderful vacations for years to come. Here are the basics you will need to know to get you started.

    You will have ARP, Advance Reservation Priority, at your home resort but can use you points to stay at other resorts in the Wyndham system.

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    Important Information:
    • Only points from the ownership contract are eligible for ARP reservations.
    • During the ARP window you may confirm a minimum of three nights, and up to 14 nights on one reservation with no more than seven nights of the reservation going into the next booking window.
    • During all seasons, check in may occur on any day of the week.
    • Reservations made within the ARP window are subject to availability.
    • Converted Fixed Week owners are guaranteed access to their deeded fixed week during ARP.

    Points Deposit Feature

    The Points Deposit Feature allows you to deposit all, or a portion, of your current Use Year’s Points into a future Use Year. You may deposit your points into your next Use Year or two Use Years from the deposit date. Once deposited these points may only be used to book Standard and Express reservations at eligible CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus locations.

    Eligible deposit windows:

    • Non-VIP Owner: Points may be deposited within the first three months of your current Use Year. THIS WILL BE YOU
    • Silver VIP Owner: Points may be deposited within the first six months of your current Use Year.
    • Gold VIP Owner: Points may be deposited within the first nine months of your current Use Year.
    • Platinum VIP Owner: Points may be deposited anytime during your current Use Year.
    Place your points into a future Use Year online or by calling the Vacation Planning Center at 800-251-8736 .
    Important Information
    • You may deposit up to the amount of points owned into a future use year excluding points associated with Bonus and PIC contracts.
    • There is a $39 nonrefundable fee to use this feature online or a $49 nonrefundable fee when calling the Vacation Planning Center.
    • Once points have been deposited, they will expire at the end of the Use Year selected and are not eligible to be deposited again.
    • Once points are deposited into your Use Year of choice, the number of points you have available for CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Standard and Express Reservations will be increased by the amount of points deposited into that Use year.
    • Deposited points may only be used to confirm Standard and Express reservations at eligible CLUB WYNDHAM Plus resort locations.
    • One (1) Housekeeping Credit is required for every 1,000 points deposited.
    • Additional Housekeeping Credits may be purchased as needed to complete the deposit.
    • Deposits are a final transaction.

    Reservation Transactions

    A Reservation Transaction is required for specific transactions within the CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus program. You’re awarded one Reservation Transaction for every 77,000 points you own.

    One Reservation Transaction is required each time one of the following transactions is confirmed regardless of the number of transactions completed in the same day:

    • Resort reservations
    • Worldwide External Exchange deposits
    • Adventures by CLUB WYNDHAM
    • Cruising with CLUB WYNDHAM Plus
    • Converting Points to Maintenance Dollars
    • WYNDHAM Club Pass® reservations
    You may purchase additional Reservation Transactions to complete your request at a cost of $19 when booking online or $39 when speaking to a Vacation Guide.
    Important Information
    • Reservation Transactions are awarded to your account on Jan. 1 of each calendar year, regardless of your Use Year.
    • Unused Reservation Transactions will expire on December 31st.
    • Reservation Transactions are deducted from your account at the time you confirm one of the above transactions.
    • CLUB WYNDHAM Gold Owners and CLUB WYNDHAM Platinum Owners enjoy the benefit of unlimited Reservation Transactions.
    • Reservations Transaction fees are nonrefundable.

    Housekeeping Credits
    Housekeeping Credits are the method of payment used for the cleaning of a unit prior to your arrival. Housekeeping Credits are deducted along with your points when you make a reservation.

    As part of your CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Member benefits, you are awarded one (1) Housekeeping Credit for every 1,000 points you own. Your Housekeeping Credits expire at the end of your Use Year, just as your points do.

    The chart below shows the number of Housekeeping Credits required based on the length of your stay and the number of bedrooms in the unit you reserve.
    Housekeeping Credits
    Length of Stay (Days) Hotel/Studio / 1 BR / 2 BR / 3 BR / 4 BR
    Up to 7 / 28 / 63 / 77 / 140 / 154
    Up to 14 / 56 / 126 / 154 / 280 / 308
    Important Information:
    • Housekeeping Credits are used along with your points for the following transactions:
      • CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Resort reservation
      • WYNDHAM Club Pass Resort reservation
      • Worldwide External Exchange deposit
      • Points Deposit Feature
      • Charitable Gift
      • Converting Points to Wyndham Rewards
    • Housekeeping Credits are deducted at the time of booking from the Use Year in which the travel occurs.
    • The amount of Housekeeping Credits required for a reservation is determined by the number of bedrooms in the unit and the length of stay.
    • If you run out of Housekeeping Credits, you may complete your transaction by purchasing additional credits at $2.25 per credit at the time of booking.
    • Housekeeping Credits may be borrowed during the Express Booking Window from the Use Year following the check-in date of your reservation.
    • When a reservation is canceled, in accordance with the cancellation policy, Housekeeping Credits are restored to the account in the original Use Year from which they came.
    • When a reservation using rented Housekeeping Credits is canceled, in accordance with the cancellation policy, you will receive a refund of those fees spent to the original source of payment. This also includes reservations made through WYNDHAM Club Pass. This applies only to reservations made and canceled after the launch of the upgraded system.
    • Reservations that were made prior to the launch of the upgraded systems that are cancelled in accordance with the cancellation policy, will result in the points and Housekeeping Credits being returned to the Use Year of the reservation.
    • Any unused Housekeeping Credits will expire at the end of the Use Year.


    Guest Confirmations
    Guest Confirmations allow you to share your ownership with family and friends. Whenever you have a reservation where you will not be personally checking in and staying in the unit, it is necessary to add a Guest Confirmation to the reservation.

    As part of your CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Member benefits you are awarded Guest Confirmations each calendar year based on your level of membership. If you still need more Guest Confirmations, additional ones are available for $99 when making reservations online or $129 when booking your reservation with a Vacation Guide.

    You may add a Guest Confirmation to a reservation online or by calling the Vacation Planning Center at 800-251-8736.

    Complimentary Guest Confirmations Per Calendar Year
    Member Level Number of Guest Confirmations
    CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Members 2 THIS WILL BE YOU
    CLUB WYNDHAM Silver Owners 5
    CLUB WYNDHAM Gold Owners 10
    CLUB WYNDHAM Platinum Owners 15 per million eligible* points owned
    Disclaimer
    Eligible points are points associated with ownership interests purchased directly through CLUB WYNDHAM or its affiliates, Bonus Points and PIC Plus Points.

    Important Information:
    • As the CLUB WYNDHAM Plus Member, you are responsible for your guests and they are subject to all program rules and regulations at the resort they are visiting.
    • Guest Confirmations are placed on your account Jan. 1 of each year, regardless of your Use Year start date.
    • Any unused Guest Confirmations will expire on December 31st of each year.
    • If you are confirming more than one unit with dates that overlap within the same period, a Guest Confirmation must be added to the additional reservation(s) within 48 hours after the reservation(s) is confirmed.
    • If you have not obtained the required Guest Confirmation(s) within 48 hours after the reservation(s) is confirmed, the additional reservation(s) is subject to cancellation, and the corresponding points may be forfeited in accordance with the cancellation policy.
    • If you are confirming more than one unit with dates that overlap within the same period within 48 hours of check in, a Guest Confirmation must be added at the time of confirming the reservation(s). If you do not have the required guest information, the reservation cannot be confirmed.
    • Guest Confirmations are nonrefundable, so be sure to add the correct name when adding your guest. Changing a name requires an additional Guest Confirmation.
    • Once you have added your guest information to the reservation, they will have the ability to check into the unit. A printed Guest Confirmation is not required.
    • Guests must be 21 years of age or older with a valid ID in order to check in to the resort, unless otherwise specified.

    Your ownership comes with a free RCI account.

    RCI® is the world’s largest timeshare exchange and leisure travel company. They are affiliated with more than 4,000 timeshare resorts worldwide. Traveling through RCI is a great option to find a location not yet represented by the CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus resort collection.

    As a member of RCI you have the flexibility of depositing points, searching availability and booking RCI reservations online. You may deposit your CLUB WYNDHAM Plus points into RCI beginning 10 months prior to your Use Year start date, until your Use Year end date. The points you deposit into RCI are good for two years from the date of deposit.

    RCI’s “Search First” feature allows you to view RCI’s availability prior to making your final deposit. If you see a location you’re interested in, you can deposit the required points, or you can book the reservation using points that you have previously deposited in your RCI account.

    You can request an RCI deposit online or by calling your Vacation Planning Center at 800-251-8736.
    Important Information
    • When making a RCI deposit you may deposit up to the amount of points owned including points associated with Bonus contracts.
    • There is an exchange fee of $239 required to book your reservation with RCI. This fee is subject to change.
    • RCI deposits require a minimum of 10,000 points and may be increased in increments of 1,000 (Example: 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 or greater).
    • You may rent points to complete an RCI exchange deposit at $12 per 1,000 points online or by calling your Vacation Planning Center.
    • Points may not be borrowed to complete an RCI exchange deposit.
    • If your request is not immediately available, you can begin an ongoing search by calling the RCI Service Line for CLUB WYNDHAM Plus at 800-572-0931. An ongoing search will allow RCI to continue to search availability for your request.
    • Depositing with your exchange company requires a Reservation Transaction.
    • Housekeeping Credits will be deducted at a rate of one (1) Housekeeping Credit for every 2,000 points deposited.
    • Your RCI point deposit will be available in your RCI account within 24 - 48 hours of your request.
    • Depositing into your exchange company is a final transaction; all points and fees are nonrefundable. Be sure to confirm your plans before depositing.

    As you can see you will have quite a list if resorts to choose from just for Hawaii and there are many resorts all over the USA. Each resort has their own points chart. Once a point chart is established when a resort comes into the system that point chart stays the same unless a new type of unit is added. Then the only change is for the new type of unit, the remainder of the chart stays the same. Resorts have different sizes and types of units.


    Wyndham at Waikiki Beach Walk®

    • 227 Lewers Street
      Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii 96815
      808-921-4400

    • Beach, City

    • Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts, CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Be among the first to explore our new resort, just one block from the world-famous Waikiki Beach: over seven acres of delightful amenities — it's nonstop pleasure!

    Defining Features
    • .2 mile to Waikiki Beach
    • Outdoor pool, hot tub & game room

    Makai Club

    • 4180 Lei o Papa Road
      Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii 96722
      808-826-8815

    • Beach, Golf

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Celebrate romance or family fun at our rural-style resort near Makai Golf Course, secluded by towering pines, lush foliage; many on-site pleasures.

    Defining Features
    • Outdoor pool, hot tub & clubhouse
    • .2 mile to Makai Golf Club

    Makai Club Cottages

    • 4180 Lei o Papa Road
      Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii 96722
      808-826-8815

    • Beach, Golf

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Accommodate up to six guests at our private units located on the Makai Golf Course first fairway. Enjoy a warm, relaxed ambiance with group-oriented amenities.

    Defining Features
    • Pool, hot tub & clubhouse
    • .2 mile to Makai Golf Club

    Wyndham Bali Hai Villas

    • 4970 Pepelani Loop
      Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii 96722
      808-826-2802

    • Beach, Golf

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Presidential Reserve Resort, CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort, Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts
    Tee off on Top 100 links high above Kaua‘i at our Cliffside Princeville paradise: amazing vistas, Queen’s Bath seawater spa, nearby beach, shopping.

    Defining Features
    • 2 pools & 3 hot tubs
    • .4 mile to Makai Golf Club

    Wyndham Ka Eo Kai

    • 3970 Wyllie Road
      Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii 96722
      808-826-6549

    • Golf, Beach

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Stay alongside renowned Makai Golf Course, a short, tree-lined stroll away from pristine Anini Beach: beautiful unit views, many upgraded extras.

    Defining Features
    • Pools, hot tub & putting green
    • 1 mile to Makai Golf Club

    The resort will be undergoing an exterior renovation project to repair wood and paint throughout the property June 1, 2018 - Feb. 28, 2019. During this time noise, dust, odors and workers on-site may be experienced. Additionally, some parking spaces may be blocked for staging purposes and unit views may be obstructed at times. Dates subject to change.


    Kauai Beach Villas

    • 4330 Kauai Beach Drive
      Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii 96766
      808-241-1000

    • Beach, Golf

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Sunbathe on private sands at our lush retreat, just north of Lihue, minutes from the airport. Play on site or walk to golf, top eateries and clubs.

    Defining Features
    • Beachfront resort
    • 3.5 miles to Lihue

    Wyndham Kona Hawaiian Resort

    • 75-5961 Alii Drive
      Kailua-kona, Hawaii 96740
      808-334-4700

    • Beach

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort, Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts
    Travel back to unspoiled Hawai‘i at our Big Island resort: enjoy authentic 1930s era ambiance mixed with modern fun, one mile from great shopping/dining.

    Defining Features
    • 2 pools & 2 hot tubs
    • Less than 1 mile to Kailua Village

    Wyndham Mauna Loa Village

    • 78-7190 Kaleiopapa Street
      Kailua-kona, Hawaii 96740
      808-322-3466

    • Beach, Golf

    • Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts, CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Experience sweet romance and superb tennis at our quiet oasis, next to Kona Country Club: eight pools plus on-site fun, two blocks from great boutiques.

    Defining Features
    • 8 pools & 8 hot tubs
    • 6.3 miles to Kailua Village

    Wyndham Royal Sea Cliff

    • 75-6040 Alii Drive
      Kailua-kona, Hawaii 96740
      808-329-8021

    • Beach

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort, Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts
    Accommodate your whole family in spacious oceanfront units, less than two miles from Kailua-Kona: beautiful surroundings plus many water and land adventures.

    Defining Features
    • Oceanfront setting & 2 pools
    • 1.3 miles to Kailua Village

    Wyndham Shearwater

    • 3970 Wyllie Road
      Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii 96722
      808-826-6549

    • Beach, Golf

    • CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Start with panoramic unit views high above Anini Bay, add a private, furnished lanai, golf, clubhouse, and more: it’s a dream vacation for up to eight guests.

    Defining Features
    • Pool with panoramic ocean views
    • 1 mile to Makai Golf Club

    Wyndham Vacation Resorts Royal Garden at Waikiki

    • 440 Olohana Street
      Honolulu, Hawaii 96815
      808-943-0202

    • City, Golf, Beach

    • Outrigger Resort Club® Resorts, CLUB WYNDHAM® Plus Resort
    Enjoy European style Hawaiian tropical appeal at the resort and indulge in the nearby shopping, dining, golf, sand and surf of Waikiki Beach.

    Defining Features
    • .5 mile to Waikiki Beach
    • Outdoor pool, saunas & game room

    Outrigger Kiahuna Plantation

    • 2253 Poipu Road
      Poipu Beach, Hawaii HI
      808-742-6411

    • Beach, Golf

    • Associate Resort, Outrigger Resort Club® Hotels
    Step back to 19th-century Hawai‘i at this authentic 30-acre beach resort in Poipu, on Kaua‘i’s sunniest side, right across from shops and restaurants.

    Defining Features
    • Beachfront resort
    • 3.4 miles to Old Koloa Town

    Kaanapali Maui at the Eldorado by Outrigger

    • 2661 Kekaa Drive
      Kaanapali, Hawaii HI
      808-661-0021

    • Beach

    • Outrigger Resort Club® Hotels, Associate Hotel
    Enjoy a mellow Maui at this low-rise resort along the fourth and sixth fairways…a fragrant five-minute walk from Ka‘anapali Beach - the ideal romantic escape.

    Defining Features
    • 3 pools & private beach cabanas
    • .6 mile to Kaanapali Beach

    Outrigger Royal Kahana

    • 4365 Lower Honoapiilani Road
      Kahana, Maui, Hawaii 96761
      808-669-5911

    • Beach, Golf

    • Outrigger Resort Club® Hotels, Associate Resort
    Indulge in inspiring oceanfront views three miles from Ka‘anapali, in sedate Kahana: whale-watching, swimming, nearby golf, stroll to shops/eateries.

    Defining Features
    • Beachfront location & pool
    • 6 miles to Lahaina


    Outrigger Waikiki Beach Resort

    • 2335 Kalakaua Avenue
      Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii 96815
      808-923-0711

    • Beach, City, Golf

    • Associate Resort, Outrigger Resort Club® Hotels
    Discover a bigger, brighter beach experience at this freshly remodeled resort right on Waikiki's sands: #1-rated show plus many on-site activities.

    Defining Features
    • Waikiki beachfront resort
    • On-site restaurants & lounges
     
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    This article is out of date and no longer applicable with regard to the points credit pool that was eliminated almost two years ago.
     
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    You also have rights to Outrigger which allows 12month ARP at multiple Hawaii resorts. You did overpay a bit. I got $375K (really good deal) for $1500 and paid a higher rate for 154k and 126k (about 10 per k), but in the long run you got a good deal....longer you live and use, the better you amortize the low mf rate.

    Wyndham outrigger resorts (3 Hawaii, 2 Oahu, 2 Kauai) have great availability and variety. They have some other resort affiliated but the point values are crazy.
     
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    I got that from the Wyndham forum on here. So that needs to be updated if it's out of date.....
     
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    It does need to be updated or just discarded, and it’s been pointed out on here several times over the years.
     
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    Will these points get me any VIP status?
     
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    Colonies at Williamsburg
    WCA VIP Gold (718k EY)
    National Harbor Resale (689k)
    Resale is not eligible for VIP - no matter what. You can only obtain VIP via developer points purchases directly with Wyndham.
     
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    Does the reseller you used for this purchase have a website? That's a really nice sized BH contract even if it was a bit on the expensive side. Wondering if they have any others in that size range available?
     
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