New (old) 2020 Points Charts are on the DVC website!

[ljmiii]

After all the hullabaloo over the changes to the 2020 points charts DVC has apparently decided to go back to the 2019 point chart (modulo holidays). The new 2020 charts are marked REVISED (and the file names start with FINAL).

 

[littlestar]

All the member feedback must have made a difference. Hopefully they really take a long, hard look at everything and put their members’ interest first as they should according to the documents my family signed.

 

[TravelTime]

Can someone post the new revised 2020 chart? Is it exactly the same as the 2019 chart now?

I hope they go back and re-visit their resale restrictions. I can’t imagine buying into one of the new resorts if the minute I buy, it has little to no resale value.

 

[ljmiii]

Is it exactly the same as the 2019 chart now?

Theoretically yes (again modulo holidays)...though I only downloaded and compared BCV and BLT.

I hope they go back and re-visit their resale restrictions. I can’t imagine buying into one of the new resorts if the minute I buy, it has little to no resale value.

I'm pretty sure that it's too late for Riviera and probably for Reflections. My understanding is that the ground lease for DVC2 is different (admittedly second hand information at best).

The rubber will hit the road when they try to sell Riviera and two pieces of 'common wisdom' clash - "Most DVC sales are an impulse purchase by uninformed first time buyers" and "There are no uninformed buyers in the modern era of the Internet".

I can't tell you how many posts I've seen in other forums that ask, "Newbie here...don't I have to buy direct now that DVC has changed the rules?" only to be answered with many, many responses along the lines of, "No...the changes have made a direct purchase at Riviera the worst of all possible options."

 

[TheHolleys87]

<snip> The rubber will hit the road when they try to sell Riviera and two pieces of 'common wisdom' clash - "Most DVC sales are an impulse purchase by uninformed first time buyers" and "There are no uninformed buyers in the modern era of the Internet".

I rarely read Facebook but my DH keeps up daily, and per his readings to me and my own readings, there are plenty of uninformed DVC buyers. It makes both of us sad (which is why I rarely read there).

 

[TravelTime]

Theoretically yes (again modulo holidays)...though I only downloaded and compared BCV and BLT.

I'm pretty sure that it's too late for Riviera and probably for Reflections. My understanding is that the ground lease for DVC2 is different (admittedly second hand information at best).

The rubber will hit the road when they try to sell Riviera and two pieces of 'common wisdom' clash - "Most DVC sales are an impulse purchase by uninformed first time buyers" and "There are no uninformed buyers in the modern era of the Internet".

I can't tell you how many posts I've seen in other forums that ask, "Newbie here...don't I have to buy direct now that DVC has changed the rules?" only to be answered with many, many responses along the lines of, "No...the changes have made a direct purchase (at least at Riviera) the worst of all possible options."

What are modulo holidays?

Are there any articles or threads about the change back to the 2019 point chart? How did you find out?

 

[ljmiii]

What are modulo holidays?

Sorry, 'modulo' means 'with respect to' or 'in reference to'...usually in mathematics or science but it can be used more generally. Holidays move and so while all the numbers in the 2020 charts are the same some of the dates vary.

Are there any articles or threads about the change back to the 2019 point chart? How did you find out?

The magic of social media. Then I went to DVC's website this morning and downloaded BLT and BCV to see for myself.

 

[TravelTime]

Sorry, 'modulo' means 'with respect to' or 'in reference to'...usually in mathematics or science but it can be used more generally. Holidays move and so while all the numbers in the 2020 charts are the same some of the dates vary.
The magic of social media. Then I went to DVC's website this morning and downloaded BLT and BCV to see for myself.

Funny! I thought modulo holidays might be a TUG term.

I just checked some of the DVC forums and, low and behold, they are discussing the change back. Then I checked a couple of my resorts and they say “revised” at the top. Disney should promote this change back and how they listened to customer feedback. It is a good marketing opportunity. They should make a blog post about it. Now if they will only go back to their original resale rules and keep all the new resorts in the club!

Thank you for sharing this news on TUG. It is very helpful!

 

[bnoble]

I have to admit, I am shocked that DVCMC reversed itself. The Mouse hates admitting he is wrong.

"There are no uninformed buyers in the modern era of the Internet".

This isn't true, because Wyndham continues to be able to sell contracts.

 

[Dean]

Theoretically yes (again modulo holidays)...though I only downloaded and compared BCV and BLT.

I'm pretty sure that it's too late for Riviera and probably for Reflections. My understanding is that the ground lease for DVC2 is different (admittedly second hand information at best).

The rubber will hit the road when they try to sell Riviera and two pieces of 'common wisdom' clash - "Most DVC sales are an impulse purchase by uninformed first time buyers" and "There are no uninformed buyers in the modern era of the Internet".

I can't tell you how many posts I've seen in other forums that ask, "Newbie here...don't I have to buy direct now that DVC has changed the rules?" only to be answered with many, many responses along the lines of, "No...the changes have made a direct purchase at Riviera the worst of all possible options."

I rarely read Facebook but my DH keeps up daily, and per his readings to me and my own readings, there are plenty of uninformed DVC buyers. It makes both of us sad (which is why I rarely read there).

Not only are there plenty of uniformed buyers, including a great number who already own, the emotions of buying a timeshare, esp DVC, tend to make people turn off their brain. I've seen many posts over the years that people bought retail because they had trust in Disney or felt more comfortable. Certainly for a small difference, that's reasonable, but when it comes to thousands of dollars, no thank you. And that goes back to well before there were any changes at all and of course the first change 9 years ago was a blessing for members taking away the cash options from resale. It may be they have to become more aggressive in getting people to tour and/or during the sales process to hit their sales goals which have always been very robust and frankly the very reason that CO, HI & NYC didn't come to pass 2 decades ago when they were in the works then. Because VB & HHI sales were slower than predicted. Certainly buyers as a group are more informed than they were 20 years ago but you'd be surprised at home many buy anyway even when they have the information. And resale options will rarely come into play for a new buyer even if they know about the restrictions.

Lots of timeshare companies continue to sell, some are more aggressive than others but he ones I know well are Wyndham, DVC, Bluegreen and Marriott.