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Most plausible explanation of mystery of Malasyian Flight 370

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    MH370 Shocking News: The Real Reason Flight Recorder Pings Failed to Locate the Lost Jet
    By Abbie Llewelyn/ New/ Weird/ Express/ express.co.uk

    "MH370 has been missing for over four years, and despite search and rescue efforts locating a few pings from the aircraft’s flight data recorder in the Indian Ocean, it has remained unfound.

    The Boeing 777 disappeared without a trace on March 8 2014, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing carrying 239 people. A former navy officer and managing director of Daedalus Maritime, an independent maritime operations and marine engineering consultancy, believes he has the answer as to why it was never found. According to Daniel Holland, whilst the pings detected were genuine, they may not have been coming from as close by as originally thought.

    He claimed that salt in the water and differing temperatures can affect the pings.

    Mr Holland said: “What they were ignorant of the time and only admitted later on, was that they were picking up the pings from the recorder due to convergence zone acoustics due to the northern and southern Indian Oceans.

    “What this means is, that the due to the salinity of the sea water and where warm and cold sea water meets it can allow underwater acoustics to be detected hundreds of miles away and make it sound like it is very near.”

    The former navy officer claimed that this is a “very common issue” for submariners, especially when tracking targets.

    He added that submariners have to do constant analysis of the water temperature and salinity just to make sure they are not chasing something miles away.

    Mr Holland believes this is why they never found the wreckage of MH370 where they expected to find it in the sea.

    However, he maintains that the search should be centred around the “northern airway” in the northern Indian Ocean as this is where he believes it crashed.

    He said: “The reason I say this is my knowledge of tides and currents from numerous years as a navy officer, my knowledge of air traffic control theory and also from working in maritime intelligence and using numerous tools and theories daily.”....."

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    MH370 News: MH370 Submarine Searching Ocean As Ship-Wreck Hunters Believe They Could Find Jet on Seabed
    By Charlotte Ikonen/ News/ World-News/ Daily Star Sunday/ dailystar.co.uk

    "Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been missing for five years after vanishing over the Indian Ocean.

    Despite two large-scale searches of the sea bed off the coast of western Australia, only scattered pieces of debris have been found.

    But now an expedition to the deepest parts of the world’s five oceans will explore what was a key search area for missing Boeing 777.

    The Five Deeps project, launched in New York last week, will provide scientific findings from the floors of the Indian, Arctic, Atlantic, Southern and Pacific oceans and explore the little-known Diamantina Trench, about 1125km south-west of Perth.

    At more than 7000m, the Diamantina Trench is one of the deepest points in the Indian Ocean and is still considered one of the most likely resting places for the wreckage of MH370.

    The doomed jet – carrying 239 people – vanished en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014.

    All efforts to track down the jet have failed and the missing plane’s whereabouts have remained a mystery ever since.

    Experts previously calculated the most likely crash site around 1,000 miles West of Perth, Australia.


    Now, extreme explorer Victor Vescovo will journey in the £68million manned submersible, Limiting Factor, and go further and deeper than any in history and to places not seen before.

    If the project is successful, Mr Vescovo will become the first person to have been to the top of all the world’s continents as well as the bottom of all its oceans after last year completing the “Explorers Grand Slam”, which included climbing Mt Everest and skiing at least 100km to the North and South poles.

    He will be joined in Limiting Factor by Newcastle University scientist Alan Jamieson and the pair hope to become just the fourth and fifth people to have touched down on the deepest known place on the sea floor – the Pacific Ocean’s Challenger Deep.

    “The Indian Ocean sites we are going have never been explored by any vehicle, manned or otherwise, and that’s what makes these locations extremely exciting,” Dr Jamieson said......"

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    MH370 Shock: How Investigators Uncovered 'Evidence Captain Tried to Hide' on Home Computer
    By Callum Hoare/ News/ World/ Express/ express.co.uk

    "MALAYSIA Airlines flight MH370 was crashed into the Indian Ocean after captain Zaharie Shah followed an almost identical route found wiped from the hard drive of his flight simulator at home, an investigation revealed.

    MH370, which had been travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, disappeared on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board. The Boeing 777 aircraft last communicated with air traffic control at 1.19am when the plane was flying over the South China Sea. Minutes later, it completely disappeared from civilian radar screens during a routine handover from Malaysia to Vietnamese radio channels.

    Analysis of radar and satellite data shows it suddenly changed course and flew back across Malaysia before turning south of Penang and then towards the southern Indian Ocean.

    This change has left investigators to believe Mr Shah was in control of the aircraft until the end and therefore deliberately crashed it.

    Australia’s 60 Minutes investigation team revealed in 2016: “A confidential analysis of Captain Shah’s home flight simulator reveals evidence the captain tried to hide by wiping his hard drive.

    “A month before the doomed flight, Mr Shah plotted an almost identical route, deep into the Southern Indian Ocean.


    “A simulation which clearly contemplated the jet running out of fuel.

    “The route eerily mirrors the one believed to have been taken by MH370.”

    After the report came to light, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau claimed it did show proof of planning, but was not valuable in the retrieval of the aircraft.

    A statement read: “The simulator information shows only the possibility of planning......"

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    5 Years On, Malaysia Open to Proposals to Resume MH370 Hunt
    By Eileen Ng/ News/ AP/ apnews.com

    "KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Malaysia’s transport minister said Sunday that the government is open to new proposals from U.S. technology firm Ocean Infinity or any other companies to resume the hunt for Flight 370, as families of passengers marked the fifth anniversary of the jet’s mysterious disappearance.

    Ocean Infinity mounted a “no cure, no fee” search for the plane in the southern Indian Ocean in January 2018 that ended in May without any clue on where it could have crashed. But the company’s CEO, Oliver Plunkett, said in a video shown at the public remembrance event at a mall near Kuala Lumpur that the company hopes to resume the hunt with better technology it obtained in the past year.

    The Ocean Infinity mission came a year after an official search by Malaysia, Australia and China ended in futility.

    Plunkett said his company has better technology now after successfully locating an Argentinian submarine in November, a year after it went missing. He said the firm is still reviewing all possible data on Flight 370 and thinking about how it can revive its failed mission.

    “We haven’t given up hope. ... We hope we can continue the search in due course,” Plunkett said.

    Transport Minister Anthony Loke said it’s been frustrating that the two searches failed to produce any clues and that he “welcomes credible leads and also concrete proposals to resume the search.”

    He told reporters later Sunday that the government is “waiting for specific proposals, in particular from Ocean Infinity.” He brushed off suggestions of offering rewards to find the plane, but said the government is willing to discuss proposals from any companies prepared to resume the search.

    “There must be a proposal from a specific company ... we cannot just be out there without credible leads. That’s the most practical thing to do,” Loke said.

    The plane vanished with 239 people on board on March 8, 2014, while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Confirmed debris that washed ashore in the western Indian Ocean helped narrow the search area where Ocean Infinity focused, but it failed to uncover any evidence.

    A Malaysian-led independent investigation report released last July showed lapses in the government’s response and raised the possibility of “intervention by a third party.”

    Investigators, however, said the cause of the disappearance cannot be determined until the wreckage and the plane’s black boxes are found. The report reiterated Malaysia’s assertion that the plane was deliberately diverted and flown for over seven hours after severing communications......"

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    amazing the plane hasn't been found yet
    (but pieces have washed up on beaches)
     
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    Wow, the conspiracy theories are coming out of the woodwork these days! At least it makes for some entertaining reading...

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    In an age when my phone can tell me that it's been to the Mall or to Phoenix, global tracking should be a synch.
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    Note: I'm not holding my breath on this scheme either.
     
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    AS I mentioned a number of times upthread, any theory needs to account for all of the facts. That's been the problem with Goodfellow's theory. He picks the facts that support his theory, and ignores what doesn't fit.

    So - it seems indisputed that the plane followed a programmed course as it flew out over the Indian Ocean, making turns at known waypoints. Christine Negroni, like Goodfellow, ignores that information. And on that point the notion fails - it accounts for some facts, but not all facts.
     
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    It is well established that the plane ended somewhere in the ocean, based upon the fuel onboard and location of parts that washed ashore, after having turned that direction contrary to its flight plan. Fairly close to where the pilot's daughter lived in Australia.
     
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    Richard, thanks so much for continuing to post articles on Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370. The article from The Atlantic is the most thoroughly-researched and exhaustive explanation for what happened of anything I've read on this subject. And some of the most enlightening statements I read are these:

    • "The disappearance was an intentional act." Though not surprising, this definitive statement debunks any previous theories about some kind of massive, unexplained midair explosion. The evidence provided seems pretty convincing.
    • "Control of the plane was not seized remotely. Control was seized from within the cockpit."
    • The description of what likely happened, and how the crew and passengers were subdued by simply de-pressurizing the plane at 40,000 feet is both frightening and mesmerizing. They all just went to sleep by way of benign asphyxiation.
    • It's revealing that--after a delay of about a half hour during which everyone on the plane had died except someone in the cockpit who was wearing an oxygen mask--the plane's systems were switched back on and the plane was re-pressurized. Further evidence of how deliberate this act was.
    • I'd never read in detail the utter failure of the Malaysian government and officials. I found this statement by one of the American officials involved in the investigation to be particularly damning: "It became clear that the primary objective of the Malaysians was to make the subject just go away. From the start there was this instinctive bias against being open and transparent, not because they were hiding some deep, dark secret, but because they did not know where the truth really lay, and they were afraid that something might come out that would be embarrassing. Were they covering up? Yes. They were covering up for the unknown."
    • There are many relatively unknown heroes in this story, including the American Blaine Gibson from Seattle who has made it his life's work now to recover the flotsam and jetsam of pieces of the plane in places as remote as Madagascar and Mozambique, and quietly return them to the Malaysian authorities.
    • As was speculated early on in this mystery, the pilot seems the likely villain, and the early reports of him being a model citizen with an impeccable flying record belie deep issues in his personal life that likely caused him to develop this dastardly plan to take so many innocent lives with him into the depths of the Indian Ocean.
    • Ultimately, the conclusion by the author of the story is most revealing: "The important answers probably don’t lie in the ocean but on land, in Malaysia. That should be the focus moving forward. Unless they are as incompetent as the air force and air traffic control, the Malaysian police know more than they have dared to say. The riddle may not be deep. That is the frustration here. The answers may well lie close at hand, but they are more difficult to retrieve than any black box. If Blaine Gibson wants a real adventure, he might spend a year poking around Kuala Lumpur." How sad that a corrupt government is likely at the center of this enduring mystery--not because they conspired to cause this tragedy, but because they have conspired to cover up crucial facts that might help other international authorities to locate the wreckage and bring closure to the families.
    Kudos to William Lagewiesche, the author of this piece, for his exhaustive investigative work--and to you, Richard, for sharing it with all the rest of us.
     
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    I agree this was one of the best article I have read on this matter. But also still now, no definitive answers. And maybe we never will.
     

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