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Medicinal Marijuana for back problems

Discussion in 'TUG Lounge' started by easyrider, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. easyrider

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    Pot is pot to me, legal or not, medical or not. Before recreational use became law in CA, we used to see applicants declare they used it for headaches, menstral cramps etc. Good thing it is illegal at Federal level, leading attorneys clearly guided our industry on how to handle these applicants. I have always voted against recreational use. Some medical use is likely to be valid.
     
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    Wow this thread is likely to get political...but I hope it stays helpful. I can attest to using CBD oil on bedsores my husband got during short nursing home stays. Great results, but not sure if it would help back pain, which I also suffer. For natural MGMT of chronic back pain I rely on chiropractors and massage, and at home i use a Pollinex massager on the spasm area and follow up with a dab of Biofreeze..
     
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    I've tried CBD Oil and would certainly try some of the new products coming out w/out THC. Topical pain relief? Yes, I'd try it!
     
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    When my wife and I were in our 20's we did enjoy a little pot now and then. Mostly for concerts, parties and movies like Star Wars. Then we had kids and really didn't have time to go to concerts, parties and the movies anymore. We slowly just stopped smoking weed because we really didn't have time.

    Maybe 5 years ago my wife tore her rotator cuff and it wasn't repairable because of a past injury. The pain caused her to not be able to sleep. She didn't like vicodin so we ended up getting a perscription medicinal Indica strain which we smoked at night. This did allow her to fall asleep without pain.

    Recently, marijuana manufactured as a prescription drug was approved by the FDA. I'm betting this is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg regarding pot turned prescription drug.

    https://www.thecannabist.co/2018/06...prescription-drug-made-from-marijuana/104564/

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    Does CBD Oil work for pain?
     
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    It seems to. I haven't needed to try it (thank goodness) but dh has friends who swear by it.
     
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    Yes, it does for many people. CBD oil has no THC and from what I read it does help many people with chronic pain. THC oil contains cbd and does relieve pain but does get a person high unless it is administered in a suppository where it bypasses the liver or is used as a topical cream.

    Edibles made with rso or just plain rso on a toothpick ( Rick Simpson Oil ) is a fast acting pain relief that can be titrated until the right amount is figured out.

    Bill
     
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    “Which WE smoked at night”, did your wife’s unfortunate pain cause you sleepless nights also? :p:p Joking :)
     
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    Actually I'm sure it did. When your bed partner is tossing and turning you do usually lose a lot of sleep. This is what I found to be helpful with medical pot, not so much the direct pain relief because for me that was there but minor but it did put me to sleep when I used it at night and allowed me to sleep for longer stretches at night. This was a huge relief because the pain i had I could manage during the day but at night became unbearable and prevented me from falling sleep and I didn't want to get hooked on ambien or any other narcotic so tried the medical pot and it's truly been a huge help for me. And now my wife sleeps much better too.
     
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    lol , Yes.

    The main reason we both smoked the pot together for her pain is she doesn't like to get stoned alone. She enjoys company. It doesn't bother me either way.

    I tried the rso for lower back pain and it put me to sleep for 12 hours. It was tar like, contained in a syringe, and the dose was a size the half of a grain of rice on a toothpic. With the rso I really didn't feel stoned but I did feel very sleepy. The rso was made with an indica hybrid, soaked in everclear and heated in a small batch on a stove in a water bath from what I was told.

    I tried hydrocodone and it works for me but it gives me a itchy sensation after a few doses. My discs in my lower back are a bit worn out and occasionally it kind of locks up.

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    I'm a little off topic, but I'm starting to think that the best thing for back problems is RETIREMENT.

    My wife has long had back problems. She finally had to have back surgery in late 2016 because she was losing strength and sensation in one of her legs. Her back pain actually got worse after the surgery. The neurosurgeon predicted that the post-op back pain would persist for 12-18 months and then hopefully improve.

    So she went to physical therapy. And she tried acupuncture. And she tried a back brace. And a TENS unit. She took anti-inflammatories. She tried sleeping with a variety of different pillows to take pressure off her back. She was off work on disability. Nothing relieved the back pain. (And no, she didn't try marijuana.)

    Finally, a few months ago, she decided to retire. This was 16 months after the back surgery. Maybe it was just chance, but within a week after her retirement date, the back pain suddenly went away.

    Retirement is a good thing.
     
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    I tore my meniscus last year, i have had surgery but still in some pain. I use a CBD cream that i get from one of my medical providers. I find that it really helps, the cream i use also has some traditional pain cream ingredients like Camphor and Menthol.

    Hopefully after I finish the PT, I won't need that or the Aleve any longer...
     
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    Sharing prescriptions is also a crime in most (all) states and at the federal level... No joke.
     
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    I thought the same thing when I saw the “we” lol. I’m in favor of use of medical marijuana and I would like to learn more about the CBD products. I have a bad back - herniated disk and two bulging discs and coincidentally I tweaked my back out today just bending forward slightly putting a coffee into the cup holder of my car. I wish I had something I could use as it will be a week till I can see the doctor (need approval, then MRI first). I’m guessing one of my other disks popped. It felt like a guitar string popped when it happened. Ugh.


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    He lives in Washington. Recreational use is legal.
     
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    Washington State legalized the use of medicinal marijuana in 1998 for people with terminal or debilitating conditions. Each qualified person was allowed a 60 day supply. I think most people voted for this because most people considered terminal or debilitating as very serious. It turned out that debilitating is is very subjective and just about anyone qualified for a prescription.

    After being told by the orthopedic doctor that my wifes shoulder was not repairable she was prescribed opiates which she could only take with anti nausea medications. The orthopedic doctors plan was to keep my wife on pain meds and the thought was she could be on these for a long time.

    The lower discs of my back are wedged shape to my left side and this causes alot of pain when it slips.

    We decided to see the medical marijuana doctor as our family practitioner didn't prescribe marijuana. We went to a co-op facility in the Seattle area and we both paid $90 to see the co-op doctor. The doctor did ask us if the $90 was ok as I think he wanted to make sure that cost wasn't a factor to getting the prescription. The doctor did a quick physical and ask us questions. The co-op doctor wrote us both a prescription.

    We both also received a discount card for the products at the co-op resale store. With the discount the cost of the products were very low. The co-op also had product that they gave away to new members. We ended up purchasing two ounces of different strains of weed for under $200 and we were also given over 1/2 ounce of product and some edibles to try.

    We used the weed at night for about a month. The pot is very strong and took very little to have an effect on pain.

    Currently in Washington, weed is legal. There are very clean stores all over the place. Unlike the co-op, the prices for product are much higher. There are still co-ops and practitioners who do help to get high quality weed to those in need at a low cost for those with prescriptions.

    So we were both legal, lol, not that it would have mattered to me.

    Bill
     
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    Bill you don’t need to explain yourself to anyone. I’m glad you found something that helps you both.


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    Alieve was my main pain management tool for years. I was always pretty fit , ate right , didn't smoke , didn't drink much and exercised. It is thought that my use of Alieve interfered with my cholesterol meds . While exerting plaque broke loose and I had a heart attack but didn't know it.

    The cardiologist told me to only use tylenol and only when I absolutely need to. I used Alieve daily up to 6 or more pills occasionally. Morning noon and night. When I started tossing these out I found bottles of Alieve every where. In the cars, truck, tool box, desk, fishing tackle, snowmobile, motorcycle , ect.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...ase-heart-attack-and-stroke-risk-201507138138

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    I agree. I recently retired but it seems I am more busy now than when I was working, lol.

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    Good to know, thanks for sharing. I have lower back pain on one side, I’ve had flare ups so bad that it inflamed sciatic nerve and had numbness in my right leg. Have trouble sleeping because I like to lay on right side. I use a vape indica product an hour before bed and it knocks me out, sleep like a baby. Who knew the party drug in my 20s would be my medicine in 60s.


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    The only thing I don't like about homemade RSO salves is smelling like a pot farm on fire. I have never appreciated smoking the stuff. Otherwise, it works well to take the edge off my 20+ years of pain.

    I broke a lumbar vertebra that didn't show up on x-rays, CTs, or an MRI. Walked around with it unstable for over 2 years. Ended up being fused when I was opened up and they got a look see. Since then, I've had all kinds of surgical procedures for various body/joint parts. Have since been DX'd with psoriatic arthritis and fibromyalgia. Needless to say, I know pain well and can commiserate with those who have any type of pain. I don't begrudge anyone any type of relief. Quality of life is really an issue in all this.

    I don't care to take opiates, but need to on occasion. It's hard to get them prescribed though. The govt has Drs so paranoid it is ridiculous. I build up a tolerance quickly to meds, so I change off on meditation, CDB/RSO salve, TENS, etc.. I also know that what works for one may not work for another.

    Interesting topic.
     
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    You sound like me. I really don't like the smell or taste of green bud. The rso cream we get is a combo of ingredients so the smell isn't a problem. Vaping kind of solves most of the smell problem, especially if rso is vaped.

    Our doctors still prescribe opiates for pain but we have been with the same medical group for 35+ years. I use a couple of tens and an inversion table occasionally depending on where the pain is.

    In the last 3 years I think the worst pain was at the golf course teeing off. I think I was trying to kill the ball and twisted too much.

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