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It is very sad. We live about an hour away from Tijuana. It's been going on for years! As in as long as I have lived here - since 1979.
It is very sad. We live about an hour away from Tijuana. It's been going on for years! As in as long as I have lived here - since 1979.
I couldn't find the article I was looking for - a few years ago an expat (I think American) was killed in either Rosarito or Ensenada during a burglary.
We had friends who were going to a wedding in Mexico to an area where the bride and groom went camping at a remote beach all the time. A week before the wedding, they were held up at gunpoint while camping, and their car, phones, and wallets were stolen (and their shoes if I recall correctly). The wedding was hastily moved to San Diego.
My husband had to work in Reynoso, Mexico for a special assignment. In a single week he couldn't go in one day at all (they were staying in Texas) because of a shooting, and witnessed another shooting while driving back to the border crossing. He drove himself in every day...it was definitely scary.
Mexico has a crime problem. It was well documented and well known unless you live under a rock or are just oblivious. The crime is not where the timeshares are located for the most part (Acapulco comes to mind as an exception).
Here we go again...
Do some more searching and you will find a lot of stories over the years. There is a reason that we don't go into TJ, although a lot of people do. I am just not one of them. Remember, my mother's cousin died in Baja in the 1970's. (see the other thread). Stay out of the areas that you shouldn't be in in the first place. Honestly. The police are corrupt and can't protect you in those places.Yes, here we go again. It bothers me that people say Mexico is safe only because Americans and tourists are not usually victims. That is very selfish and self centered, IMO. Many foreigners are victims of crime in Mexico and it is getting worse and worse. I knew we would here of a murder of Americans soon. I am so sad this happened. The couple and their dog did not deserve this to happen to them.
As an FYI, I was telling my husband this morning that Mexico is not that dangerous and we should go back because it is cheap and close to California. Then I read this story and we both said, hmmm, let's rethink that.
The couple in the article was targeted for their boat.We are noticing less support in the past couple of years for Americans when we travel internationally now. It does not surprise me that the poor locals in Mexico will target the Americans, who they view as rich and elitist, especially nowadays.
I assume the intent of this post is to shock Americans into our senses that Mexico is too dangerous for travel. Let's review: A couple (who happened to be American) were murdered in a robbery on their home in Baja California. Incidents like this happen all over the USA every day and they are just that: incidences that happen in today's world. Why is any incident in Mexico a shocking / damning event for Mexico - and it is just something of no real cultural meaning in the US - just something that happens.
To be sure, Mexico has its share of murders and more than its share of drug violence, but it is obvious to me there is indeed a double standard in play that personally I find quite appalling.
Mike
I assume the intent of this post is to shock Americans into our senses that Mexico is too dangerous for travel. Let's review: A couple (who happened to be American) were murdered in a robbery on their home in Baja California. Incidents like this happen all over the USA every day and they are just that: incidences that happen in today's world. Why is any incident in Mexico a shocking / damning event for Mexico - and it is just something of no real cultural meaning in the US - just something that happens.
To be sure, Mexico has its share of murders and more than its share of drug violence, but it is obvious to me there is indeed a double standard in play that personally I find quite appalling.
Mike
BTW, the shock factor of violent murder in Mexico is done. I am no longer shocked by the horrific murders and crimes I read about in Mexico. I just hope and pray when I travel in Mexico or anywhere, that I will not be a victim. I would rather die a slow death from cancer than be a crime victim.
I would rather die a slow death from cancer than be a crime victim.
I didn't think it was an either/or choice. But if we are choosing, make mine expiring in my sleep after a life well lived and a good meal shared with loved ones.BTW, the shock factor of violent murder in Mexico is done. I am no longer shocked by the horrific murders and crimes I read about in Mexico. I just hope and pray when I travel in Mexico or anywhere, that I will not be a victim. I would rather die a slow death from cancer than be a crime victim.
Heck, if I posted the list of Mexican part-time residents of my county who have been murdered, it would be far more lengthy than the above quoted article from Ensenada.Most of us that do go to Mexico know that we are less likely to have problems in Mexico than in the USA. If I posted how many people were murdered this year in my county it would be a long list.
I think Tuggers who own TSs in Mexico seem to be very defensive. I do not care if Tuggers post stories about crime in America or elsewhere. I like to know and I am grateful Tuggers make me aware.
I'm sorry, but didn't we just have a five page thread with 95% of this same discussion in May??
Are we adding any more value to the discussion with this thread?
Aren't we already back to beating the dead horse?
I've abstained from these recent discussions because I've learned they are fruitless. That's my choice, you all do as you wish...but...
at least include something about crime in the subject line so I can skip it next time.
I promise I won't engage in the discussion if you do that.
Safe travels.
bbb
The article says:
“In interviews, police said most of the killings in Pico-Union are linked to Latino gangs, primarily with roots in El Salvador. Many of the killings are drive-bys or walk-up shootings, and at times, the killers target the family members of rivals, stoking fear across the community, police said. This means witnesses are reluctant to cooperate and cases go unsolved.”
The gangs in California are primarily immigrants and children of immigrants from Mexico and Central American nations.
The point seems to be to not flaunt money or wealth anywhere - in the USA or abroad, because that makes you a target. Even winning $5000 and people knowing about it is a risk, as the article points out.
I totally agree. Awhile back, based on a lot of this same type posting, the moderators created a sticky for people to post safety / crime related issues. I would suggest that all such posts just automatically be moved into that section as soon as noticed; we can choose to read or not - but not be in the mainstream of discussions that the Mexico forum posters are interested in.
For this one, I would suggest deletion.
Mike
Like Beach Bar Bob, I try to skip the new threads on the subject of crime, but this one was titled "Just a matter of time until I expected something like this would happen" instead of indicating the subject matter. Seems like click bait.
As long as you stay at the hotel zone, which is several miles long, in places like Cancun, you will be safe.I’ve only been to Mexico on a cruise stop in Cancun. Is it safe to stay at the all inclusive resorts where you don’t have to leave the property? I’m not being sarcastic, I really don’t know much about Mexico timeshares.
Silentg