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Is 2019 the 'Year of the Timeshare'? [Marriott/Vistana/Hyatt in the DC speculation]

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  • Las Vegas - the advantage of having points-based access in Vegas is you can go for 3-4 nights or less. A full week in Vegas seems like a lot.
We went last year for the first time not knowing what to expect. To our surprise, we enjoyed it quite a bit but more for what you can do using LV as a base to visit fabulous places around it. The food is also outstanding in Vegas. We are not gamblers and our 5 dollar cap lasted about 15 seconds.
 

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I wonder what % of SVN owners own only SVN? Such owners would likely value the additional DC locations much higher than people like us who also own HGVC or other points programs.

For example, If I overlay our interests and HGVC points program ownership there are lots of alternatives but some areas of interest in Bold.
  • Aruba - Yes, but only will go there once given time zones so could rent
  • Newport Coast - Maybe, or at HGVC Carlsbad locations.
  • St. Kitts - We could substitute Tradewinds Cruise via HGVC/RCI, St. John (Westin) or HGVC Barbados Crane
  • Ritz St. Thomas (added) Would love this but I don't think we will have enough points in DC to reserve with one SVN VOI.
  • Spain - Yes (HGVC has Algarve, Portugal with limited avail.)
  • Italy (no MVC in Italy) - HGVC Tuscany - been there. Lovely property.
  • Thailand - Maybe.
  • Ko Olina - Yes, if they build an Atlantis next door (would prefer HI instead of Bahamas from Calif.)
  • Hilton Head - No, Never from Calif
  • Williamsburg - No Never from Calif
  • Park City - Mountainside is nice but can also stay at HGVC Sunrise at Canyons. More short stay ski options good.
  • Colorado ski weekends - These would be of interest. More options beyond Westin Avon, HGVC Breck options
  • Las Vegas - GC is fantastic but HGVC has more options e.g. Elara across the street, Blvd, Paradise, Trump plus cash getaways.
  • San Francisco - No HGVC announced yet. Can stay on hotel points.
  • Scotland, Japan ( HGVC has those)
  • NYC (HGVC will have 5 timeshare properties next year in the Big Apple = availability)
  • Mexico (Cabo, Cancun, PV) HGVC, SVN

Plus Fiji, French Polynesia and Panama on Tradewinds Cruise (HGVC/RCI trade with great value)


I am hopeful that enrollment and annual fee will be a nominal incremental cost so we could just sign up and move on. If they try to charge more or require points/hybrid purchase then it will be a very high threshold to cross given alternatives.
The are 2 on the list that IMO, don't add much. They are Williamsburg and LV. I say that because like Branson & Orlando, those are easy locations to trade into for good resorts even for peak times. Won't Atlantis in HI be just a hotel thus no direct access using MVC?
 

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  • Hilton Head - No, Never from Calif

At the risk of coming across as a Hilton Head promoter, if you haven't been you should try it. I've run into quite a few folks from California on the island. Except that you have to change plans in CLT or ATL to get there, it's not really meaningfully farther than Hawaii is from California. It's a really cool island, a very different beach experience - not a lot of commercial clutter, lots of trees, the retail and commercial is heavily landscaped and hidden, no buildings over 5 stories or so, lots of charm, and GREAT restaurants.
 

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I also don't fully understand why there is a hang up about the potential enrollment cost. When I purchased my first mandatory SVN week (resale) I had to pay a $399 SVN enrollment fee. That's not terribly far off the $595 MVC charged developer purchased weeks to join the DC program.
What resort did you buy? I a not aware of any enrollment fee for mandatory Vistana resort resale purchases. I know those that owned Vistana Resort when Marriott acquired them were allowed in to the SVN program for a set fee. Is that maybe what you are referring to?

That's pretty much it for me in VSE, except that if we could cross book easily, I would be open to trying any of the others as alternatives to the MVC in the same area, I just am not willing to pay a lot for that right. But for our preferences, the big missing pieces in VSE are:

- No south shore Kauai, no Big Island (so we bought HGVC for Big Island)
- No Hilton Head
- No west coast of Florida
- No Aruba
- No SoCal coastal
- Plus some of the other places like Spain, Palm Beach, St Kitts, Vegas, Paris, and the Pulse locations are places it would be nice to go, although they don't drive our decisions/priorities

Bottom line, VSE owners tend to be VSE owners because the VSE network fits their needs best, and conversely, MVC owners tend to be MVC owners because the MVC network fits their needs best.

Vistana now has the Sheraton Kauai. @Ken555 did a detailed review of it over on the Vistana forum. Not the best value point wise because they gave it a premium point price for smaller rooms. I guess they figure newer is better.
 

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At the risk of coming across as a Hilton Head promoter, if you haven't been you should try it. I've run into quite a few folks from California on the island. Except that you have to change plans in CLT or ATL to get there, it's not really meaningfully farther than Hawaii is from California. It's a really cool island, a very different beach experience - not a lot of commercial clutter, lots of trees, the retail and commercial is heavily landscaped and hidden, no buildings over 5 stories or so, lots of charm, and GREAT restaurants.
Meh, it isn't for everyone.

https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/i-guess-hilton-head-island-isnt-for-everyone.145854/
 

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At the risk of coming across as a Hilton Head promoter, if you haven't been you should try it. I've run into quite a few folks from California on the island. Except that you have to change plans in CLT or ATL to get there, it's not really meaningfully farther than Hawaii is from California. It's a really cool island, a very different beach experience - not a lot of commercial clutter, lots of trees, the retail and commercial is heavily landscaped and hidden, no buildings over 5 stories or so, lots of charm, and GREAT restaurants.
I can certainly see being reluctant to travel across the country but it does seem to have a unique mix of great qualities. It has good beach, wide and where you can ride bikes but it's not the gulf coast white sand beach. It has a ton of great mid priced restaurants. As you say it's more green than sand, palms and spurs. It has great golf courses and a lot of bike trails. There are no neon signs (well one last I knew), everything is earth tones and tend to be hidden making it feel more secluded than it actually is. There are a number of great timeshares and even more very good ones. It is the number one island destination in the continental US https://www.hiltonheadchamber.org/hilton-head-island-number-one-continental-us/ . Just last night my SIL was talking about how much he'd grown to love it (we just got back) and the balance. Personally I want to go as a couple and spend a few weeks and eat our way through the island there are just so many great options to chose from.
 

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The are 2 on the list that IMO, don't add much. They are Williamsburg and LV. I say that because like Branson & Orlando, those are easy locations to trade into for good resorts even for peak times. Won't Atlantis in HI be just a hotel thus no direct access using MVC?
Atlantis has harborside resort which is part of the VSN. the name is contractually written that it will always have access to Atlantis. Of course owners pay for this in their maint fees
 

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Atlantis has harborside resort which is part of the VSN. the name is contractually written that it will always have access to Atlantis. Of course owners pay for this in their maint fees
So you'd have access to the grounds at any and all Atlantis hotel even if not staying there?
 

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We went last year for the first time not knowing what to expect. To our surprise, we enjoyed it quite a bit but more for what you can do using LV as a base to visit fabulous places around it. The food is also outstanding in Vegas. We are not gamblers and our 5 dollar cap lasted about 15 seconds.



I hope you had a chance to visit the Hoover Dam while you were there; it is really quite an engineering accomplishment.




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So you'd have access to the grounds at any and all Atlantis hotel even if not staying there?
What do you mean not staying there? If you’re staying at harborside resort then you’re staying at the Atlantis. You’re an Atlantis guest and you charge everything back to your room. When sol kerzner owned Atlantis, he developed the timeshare portion and partnered 50/50 with Starwood to operate the resort. Atlantis is owned by Brookfield management. So I believe wherever the Atlantis goes so does the harborside.

With that being said, I’m not sure how much MVC has in say when it comes to managing harborside resort. I’m sure there is plenty of legalities that I’ll admit don’t know too much about.
 

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So you'd have access to the grounds at any and all Atlantis hotel even if not staying there?
I don’t think many MVC owners would like harborside resort at all. It’s not up to your standards. You have to take shuttles around, and the decor isn’t the greatest. Don’t bother, Aruba is nicer.
 

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I don’t think many MVC owners would like harborside resort at all. It’s not up to your standards. You have to take shuttles around, and the decor isn’t the greatest. Don’t bother, Aruba is nicer.

Why it is so difficult to book if it's not up to Marriott's standards? You think Marriott will spin it off? Also Harborside is no longer available via Interval, just like St John.
 

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Why it is so difficult to book if it's not up to Marriott's standards? You think Marriott will spin it off? Also Harborside is no longer available via Interval, just like St John.
Really? That’s odd, it exchanges through interval, you get automatic enrollment into interval as an owner. That seems odd tbh. I’m sure someone here can give a better explanation than me saying hmm that’s odd haha
 

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Why it is so difficult to book if it's not up to Marriott's standards? You think Marriott will spin it off? Also Harborside is no longer available via Interval, just like St John.
I don’t know if they can spin it off I would assume they wouldn’t since 50% of the ownership belongs to Brookfield but is managed by Marriott hotels as an autograph hotel. I’d think they would want to keep it in their MVC portfolio. As to what they can do with the inventory is a different story. I wonder if harborside II exchange weeks will go back to MVC and thrown into the exchange? As well as St. John? Can they do that?
 

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Except for Hawaii where we could spend weeks, Vegas is a 3 - 5 night trip. That's why HGVC points work well vs. getaways. I could envision visiting Hilton Head for a few days and then visiting the new HGVC Charleston location for a few more to make a week. Same goes for Miami (HGVC or MVC) and Key West.

This short-stay travel style is where points programs shine over weeks programs. We get that with HGVC, SOs (and hopefully DC).
 
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I don’t think many MVC owners would like harborside resort at all. It’s not up to your standards. You have to take shuttles around, and the decor isn’t the greatest. Don’t bother, Aruba is nicer.
Yup, a total dump when we were there last December! :rolleyes:
 

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Yup, a total dump when we were there last December! :rolleyes:
Agreed. Speaking of dumps. Which is the best Orlando MVC? Damn interval getaways doesn’t do a great job listing 2 bedrooms. I need one of those rooms with 2 queen or 2 full beds. I know Vistana resorts has full in the second bedrooms. Anyway, harborside is a total dump. MVC owners shouldn’t even attempt to book it if they combine programs. It’s a nasty wretched place.
 

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Agreed. Speaking of dumps. Which is the best Orlando MVC? Damn interval getaways doesn’t do a great job listing 2 bedrooms. I need one of those rooms with 2 queen or 2 full beds. I know Vistana resorts has full in the second bedrooms. Anyway, harborside is a total dump. MVC owners shouldn’t even attempt to book it if they combine programs. It’s a nasty wretched place.
Harbour Lake has the best chance of ending up with a 2BR with two queens in the second bedroom. Most of the units there are dedicated 2BR, so two queens in the second bedroom. Grande Vista also has dedicated 2BR units with two queens, but most of the 2BR units there lock off, so just a king and a sleeper sofa in the second bedroom. If you are confirmed to a lockoff 2BR through an exchange, you can make a request with the resort to have a dedicated 2BR with two queens.
 

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Harbour Lake has the best chance of ending up with a 2BR with two queens in the second bedroom. Most of the units there are dedicated 2BR, so two queens in the second bedroom. Grande Vista also has dedicated 2BR units with two queens, but most of the 2BR units there lock off, so just a king and a sleeper sofa in the second bedroom. If you are confirmed to a lockoff 2BR through an exchange, you can make a request with the resort to have a dedicated 2BR with two queens.
Perfect. On the getaways it does say if it’s two kings or maybe two queens so that might help narrow it down. Never stayed at the Marriotts and figured might as well try it out now!
 

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Vistana now has the Sheraton Kauai. @Ken555 did a detailed review of it over on the Vistana forum. Not the best value point wise because they gave it a premium point price for smaller rooms. I guess they figure newer is better.


Forgot about that one since it wasn't on the list that I was quoting/using as a reference. Although aren't all the Villas still on the opposite side of a road from the ocean and the ocean-facing units are still just hotel units? Are they planning to eventually convert the ocean units as well?
 

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Forgot about that one since it wasn't on the list that I was quoting/using as a reference. Although aren't all the Villas still on the opposite side of a road from the ocean and the ocean-facing units are still just hotel units? Are they planning to eventually convert the ocean units as well?
They are all on the opposite side of the road. Though they have converted them to studio, 1BR and 2BR units. THough the units are not great since they are hotel conversion. I don't think there are any plans to convert the rest of the hotel to timeshare.
 

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Are they planning to eventually convert the ocean units as well?

Let’s just ask Marriott... doubtful.


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