TUG MEMBERS: Joining TUG does not automatically register you as a user of the TUG Bulletin Board. You must register yourself.


*ads are disabled when logged in as a member*
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 25 years!

    Join tens of thousands of other owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $11,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $11Million dollars
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free! Join tens of thousands of other owners who get this every week! Latest resort reviews and the most important topics discussed by owners during the week!
    Dismiss Notice
  5. TUG is trying out a new program that will trade you a TUG membership for a Timeshare resort review if you are an expired member, or even just a guest here on the forums!

    Read more here
    Dismiss Notice
  6. Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    Read more Here
    Dismiss Notice
  7. Follow the TUG Member Banner as it travels the world on vacation with Timeshare owners! Also sign up to get the banner sent to you so you can submit a photo of your vacation with the banner to share with TUG! Banner Thread
    Dismiss Notice
  8. TUG has now joined Priceline.com as an affiliate!

    Members and guests who book air travel, rental cars and even Cruise Vacations thru TUG's priceline links will now support TUG in the process!

    Read more here
  9. A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!
    Dismiss Notice

Employees of Ring (Amazon) are watching you

Discussion in 'TUG Lounge' started by x3 skier, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. x3 skier

    x3 skier Tug Review Crew: Rookie TUG Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    436
    Trophy Points:
    319
    Location:
    Ohio and Colorado
    mpumilia likes this.
  2. pedro47

    pedro47 TUG Review Crew: Expert TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    9,781
    Likes Received:
    1,273
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    East Coast
    That is a very important article to read and share IMHO.
     
  3. Ralph Sir Edward

    Ralph Sir Edward TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Messages:
    346
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    153
    Location:
    Plano, Texas
    BB says ++good
     
  4. Phydeaux

    Phydeaux TUG Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2010
    Messages:
    2,733
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    218
    Location:
    Somewhere, USA
  5. artringwald

    artringwald TUG Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    2,621
    Likes Received:
    495
    Trophy Points:
    218
    Location:
    Oakdale, MN
    Resorts Owned:
    DRI: The Point at Poipu, 3 deeded weeks, 1 of which is in The Club.
    I have a Ring video doorbell. I really don't want Ring employees watching the squirrels running around my front yard. It's an invasion of the squirrels privacy.
     
  6. controller1

    controller1 TUG Member

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2017
    Messages:
    648
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Location:
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Resorts Owned:
    Westin KORVN OF
    Westin Nanea OF
    Westin FLEX
    My only Ring cameras are outside so privacy is not much of a concern.

    The article states that Ring says the only videos viewed are those shared through the Neighbor part of the app. If a customer has a privacy concern then they wouldn't be sharing those videos in the first place.
     
  7. dougp26364

    dougp26364 TUG Review Crew: Veteran TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    12,297
    Likes Received:
    317
    Trophy Points:
    418
    I always LOVE the news media scary articles. It's as if they've never read George Orwell's 1984. Even your Roomba wifi model sends information (maps) or your floorplan back to corporate spy central. Any appliance you have the connects to wifi has the "potential" to invade your privacy. If you want privacy, you can't rely on our lawmakers or laws. Laws are broken every day by a lot more than big corporations. Laws can only punish or dissuade people from doing wrong. They won't stop it (see the "no call list" and telemarketer situation).
    If you really want privacy in todays modern world, you'll need to get completely off the grid and likely will need to live underground (satellites and applications like Google Earth have amazing cameras). It's best to keep in mind someone ALWAYS has the potential to monitor you by watching what you do or hearing what you say.
     
  8. Phydeaux

    Phydeaux TUG Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2010
    Messages:
    2,733
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    218
    Location:
    Somewhere, USA

    I wouldn't disagree with anything you wrote here. Just one caveat, and it's a very basic one: Human nature dictates we always take the path of least resistance. Thus, it's one matter to be photographed and on video every day of your life simply by going to the gas station, store or walking down the street. It's another matter to actively choose to purchase and install surveillance devices and scatter them within your own home. Personally, I'll pass on actively choosing to make things easier to have my privacy invaded. Btw, I, for one, have indeed read Orwell's 1984, but I sense there are few here that have. I could be wrong - call it a gut feeling.

    I also believe that devices that are doing thinking for us are subsequently dumbing down the general population. Why bother to think when one can simply ask the device on the table?
     
  9. dougp26364

    dougp26364 TUG Review Crew: Veteran TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    12,297
    Likes Received:
    317
    Trophy Points:
    418
    Well, by posting on this forum you've demonstrated that you're using one of the most powerful spy tools a person can buy. My personal computer doesn't have a camera in it but, my "smart" phone and my iPad both have them, so I can be watched. When you're online, every single key stroke can be traced/followed. It's unavoidable. You may limit it but, you won't avoid it. The cartoon above does a marvelous job of highlighting the issue. Most appliances, whether you know it or not, can track usage and send that information. I suppose it's more difficult if using a dial up service vs wifi but, how many still use old dial up services (watch "You've Got Mail" for a chuckle). ANYTHING that's can connect to wifi can be used to "spy" on you. Any device that can take a picture can "see" you. All of these devices can be used to spy on you. TV's connected to cable, wifi or Vois send information. Even your car is sending information about you when you're in it. If you think about it, we're so close to George Orwell's fictional world it's scary.
     
  10. Ken555

    Ken555 Tug Review Crew: Rookie TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2005
    Messages:
    9,081
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    368
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Resorts Owned:
    Westin Kierland
    Sheraton Desert Oasis
    Yup, and yet... the details about their ability to not only view customers video but access to a database which connects each video to a particular user should concern everyone.

    Many of my neighbors have these cameras, and it’s actually been discussed at HOA meetings since some people are concerned about their privacy. For those who want just video surveillance (which FYI, tends to be the majority...it seems most of those I know who have these don’t use their other features), it’s better to stream to your own server such as a Synology NAS..easy to implement and no long term costs.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
  11. CalGalTraveler

    CalGalTraveler TUG Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2014
    Messages:
    2,144
    Likes Received:
    1,026
    Trophy Points:
    223
    Location:
    California
    Our Rings are all on the perimeter of our home so there is not much to see except our coming and goings (boring). We monitor when the pet sitter visits, and when packages are delivered so it is a valuable tool for travelers.

    It is also a valuable tool to know that your teen is not having a party while you are out. I guess those days when they could get away with it are gone...

    With that said they should fix the security gaps so hackers cannot gain access.

    Alexa may be a bigger issue...with both owned by Amazon...lots of dots that could be connected. I used to worry about Facebook and Google. Not that there is anything to hide - just creepy.
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2019
  12. T_R_Oglodyte

    T_R_Oglodyte TUG Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    10,822
    Likes Received:
    519
    Trophy Points:
    548
    Location:
    Belly-View, WA
  13. Ken555

    Ken555 Tug Review Crew: Rookie TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2005
    Messages:
    9,081
    Likes Received:
    270
    Trophy Points:
    368
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Resorts Owned:
    Westin Kierland
    Sheraton Desert Oasis
    I have a condo, which is great (for me), yet now a few of my neighbors have a Ring including one across the hall. Their Ring will see *every* person who enters or leaves my home. They did not ask my permission. In general, I’m okay with it since it could increase security and be a source if a problem develops (though I have an alarm) but still...it clicks and lights up every time I return home, and that’s a bit disturbing.

    And now I know some programmer in the Ukraine may have been watching my guests and myself enter and leave my home...even though I’m not their customer. Joy.



    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
     
    CalGalTraveler likes this.
  14. pedro47

    pedro47 TUG Review Crew: Expert TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2005
    Messages:
    9,781
    Likes Received:
    1,273
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    East Coast
    Sounds like a device that our government, our border patrol police or our local police department should be using to watch the bad guys .LOL :p
     
  15. DrQ

    DrQ TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    693
    Likes Received:
    382
    Trophy Points:
    273
    Location:
    DFW
    Resorts Owned:
    HICV, Westgate (second cousin, twice removed), Inverness by the Sea
    When you are in a public space, you have no expectation of privacy.

    Same thing with license plate scanners. It wasn't until big data that agencies were able to take that huge amount of information and track individuals.
     
  16. Phydeaux

    Phydeaux TUG Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2010
    Messages:
    2,733
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    218
    Location:
    Somewhere, USA
    Seems like an awfully outdated means to track anyone considering the cell phone in their pocket is providing continuous delivery of a persons location.
     
  17. DrQ

    DrQ TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    693
    Likes Received:
    382
    Trophy Points:
    273
    Location:
    DFW
    Resorts Owned:
    HICV, Westgate (second cousin, twice removed), Inverness by the Sea
    That would require a warrant. This is a method of placing a suspect in the area of a crime and then provide a reasonable suspicion to obtain a warrant.

    I DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy between me and my provider as PII.
     
  18. Phydeaux

    Phydeaux TUG Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2010
    Messages:
    2,733
    Likes Received:
    291
    Trophy Points:
    218
    Location:
    Somewhere, USA
    I wasn't aware this discussion pertained strictly to catching bad guys. I was looking at the much broader picture of everyone, and the tracking of their location. Nearly every app is tracking people.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM
  19. DrQ

    DrQ TUG Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2005
    Messages:
    693
    Likes Received:
    382
    Trophy Points:
    273
    Location:
    DFW
    Resorts Owned:
    HICV, Westgate (second cousin, twice removed), Inverness by the Sea
    In the case of apps, the user has LOADED the app and CONSENTED to the terms. Again, if I have done so, the owner of the app can only share the information within the confines of the terms of the agreement.

    The owner of RING appliances have consented to these terms. Any perimeter devices are controlling PUBLIC spaces where, as I pointed out, there is no expectation of privacy.

    In two party consent states:
    • California
    • Connecticut
    • Florida
    • Illinois
    • Maryland
    • Massachusetts
    • Michigan
    • Montana
    • Nevada
    • New Hampshire
    • Pennsylvania
    • Washington (not D.C.)
     
    Ken555 likes this.
  20. x3 skier

    x3 skier Tug Review Crew: Rookie TUG Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    Messages:
    3,761
    Likes Received:
    436
    Trophy Points:
    319
    Location:
    Ohio and Colorado
    Most comments are about views from the doorbell camera. They also make indoor cameras so I wonder if you have one in your bedroom or other rooms, what these Bozos were able to see:rolleyes:

    From the article.

    ‘This team, another source tells The Intercept, watched footage from both outdoor and indoor cameras, showed other employees footage, and annotated actions like “kissing, firing guns, and stealing.”’

    Cheers
     
    DrQ likes this.
  21. PigsDad

    PigsDad TUG Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2006
    Messages:
    5,562
    Likes Received:
    1,088
    Trophy Points:
    448
    Location:
    Northern Colorado
    Resorts Owned:
    HGVC Elite: SeaWorld, Surf Club, Charter Club. Valdoro
    I find it hard to feel sorry for anyone who may have gotten hacked and placed a home security camera in their bedroom. :doh:

    Kurt
     
    controller1 and DrQ like this.

Share This Page