Does Manhattan Club still have 1 in 4 rule?

[senorak]

I've been searching on TUG....but couldn't find an answer. Last time I stayed at the Manhattan Club they had the "1 in 4 rule". I didn't see that listed (when I looked into possible exchanges on RCI). ***It would be a "weeks exchange"*** I know about the $50+ fee per day.
Thanks in advance for any update.

Deb

 

[Janann]

Yes, it is still in effect. Just to test it out, you could try to book something and see how far you get in the process. When I've tried, the system blocks me long before I have to type in a credit card number.

 

[senorak]

Thanks for the info. The reason I asked is that I just booked a stay at the MC. (It's been at least 5 years since my last stay there.) However I did not see the "1 in 4 rule" listed anywhere. I've been through my confirmation at least twice.

 

[escanoe]

I have not seen the 1 in 4 rule listed. Stayed there back in May for 3 nights. I have a RCI points account and access to RCI points through the HGVC portal.

 

[Janann]

Well this is interesting. I signed into my RCI accounts through both HGVC and Disney, and could not find any disclosure. There is availability through Disney (another interesting bit of information). Anyway, I went part-way through the process of booking with Disney/RCI, and did not see any disclosure. I remember that in the past the 1 in 4 rule was part of the "urgent information" section, or something like that.

I stayed at the Manhattan Club in April 2019 with my HGVC/RCI account, but I can't test out a booking because that account does not show any availability right now.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

So for a new visitor to this particular thread; Can someone explain what the 1 in 4 rule is? Thanks!






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[clifffaith]

So for a new visitor to this particular thread; Can someone explain what the 1 in 4 rule is? Thanks!

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Manhattan Club reservations are only allowed every four years because it is so popular. We stayed there on our first trip to NYC, but haven't even bothered to check lately because Marriott Residence Inns have kitchenettes and breakfast. RI is also our go to in cities like Chicago, Denver and Atlanta -- Denver and Atlanta also have "light" dinners on week nights for business travelers. Light could be a sandwich, or a plate of pasta and salad and bread -- in other words plenty of food. And often free wine or beer. We like the option of not having to go out for dinner, or of reheating leftovers from the previous evening's meal out.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

Manhattan Club reservations are only allowed every four years because it is so popular. We stayed there on our first trip to NYC, but haven't even bothered to check lately because Marriott Residence Inns have kitchenettes and breakfast. RI is also our go to in cities like Chicago, Denver and Atlanta -- Denver and Atlanta also have "light" dinners on week nights for business travelers. Light could be a sandwich, or a plate of pasta and salad and bread -- in other words plenty of food. And often free wine or beer. We like the option of not having to go out for dinner, or of reheating leftovers from the previous evening's meal out.

Thanks for the explanation. Sort of a raw deal for the owners considering it's their home resort.

So what do the owners do for the other three years? Always trade?

And why can't owners occupy their own unit once a year? Did the Resort seriously oversell the weeks or has that yet to be established? I knew at one time there were tons of unhappy owners and lawsuits.......





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[Karen G]

Thanks for the explanation. Sort of a raw deal for the owners considering it's their home resort.

So what do the owners do for the other three years? Always trade?

And why can't owners occupy their own unit once a year? Did the Resort seriously oversell the weeks or has that yet to be established? I knew at one time there were tons of unhappy owners and lawsuits.......





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The 1-in-4 rule applies only to exchangers, not owners.

 

[clifffaith]

The 1-in-4 rule applies only to exchangers, not owners.

And owners apparently have their own frustrations, based on the articles that hit the news from time to time.

 

[escanoe]

The 1 in 4 rule does NOT apply to exchanges into the Manhattan Club.

To find out if the 1 in 4 rule applies to a resort click under the “fees tab” in RCI. Under that will be a “policy restrictions” section.

While TMC has no such restriction, below is an illustration of how this restriction will be listed. This is from the Hilton Club in NYC where the 1 in 4 rule does apply.



Also, if the restriction does apply, your RCI account will not let you book it a second time until the 4 years has passed.

 

[escanoe]

Manhattan Club reservations are only allowed every four years because it is so popular.

Yes. TMC is popular. However, I do not think that is a singular or primary factor motivating 1 in 4 restrictions. Massanutten Resort has to be one of the easiest places that exists to exchange into. It (or the Great Easter Resorts within it) have 1 in 4 restrictions.

My understanding from TUG discussions is 1 in 4 restrictions apply to resorts at the request of developers. They are not driven by RCI.

There are two reasons In my view that 1 in 4 restrictions are likely to exist.

1) It gives an incentive to buy an interval at a resort someone wants to regularly use rather than for them to have an ability to regularly exchange in.

2) Resorts often view people exchanging in as people to market ownership to. They would rather have fresh people to market to than people that have stayed there in the past 4 years but declined to purchase or attend a presentation.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Yes. TMC is popular. However, I do not think that is a singular or primary factor motivating 1 in 4 restrictions. Massanutten Resort has to be one of the easiest places that exists to exchange into. It (or the Great Easter Resorts within it) have 1 in 4 restrictions.

My understanding from TUG discussions is 1 in 4 restrictions apply to resorts at the request of developers. They are not driven by RCI.

There are two reasons In my view that 1 in 4 restrictions are likely to exist.

1) It gives an incentive to buy an interval at a resort someone wants to regularly use rather than for them to have an ability to regularly exchange in.

2) Resorts often view people exchanging in as people to market ownership to. They would rather have fresh people to market to than people that have stayed there in the past 4 years but declined to purchase or attend a presentation.

I totally agree with what you say here. It is also one of the negative aspects of RCI system reservations. We are mostly HGVC owners and do like to return to Hawaii year after year for many weeks at a time without owning any timeshares in Hawaii. The 1 in 4 rule would prevent that if we owned at other than HGVC resorts. With RCI you can't do that.

 

[carl2591]

I would think with all the resorts in the hawaii market the 1 in 4 rule would be easy enough to overcome..

I totally agree with what you say here. It is also one of the negative aspects of RCI system reservations. We are mostly HGVC owners and do like to return to Hawaii year after year for many weeks at a time without owning any timeshares in Hawaii. The 1 in 4 rule would prevent that if we owned at other than HGVC resorts. With RCI you can't do that.