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Another example of ARDA and Timeshare resorts working AGAINST owners

Discussion in 'Buying, Selling, Renting' started by TUGBrian, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. TUGBrian

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    We received this email today, and while it is lacking in details about the resort name...i have little reason to believe the rest of it isnt completely accurate...and likely an accurate representation of what many owners go thru when first trying to sell a Timeshare.


    we of course replied in the hopes that we will save this guy from the utterly awful advice he was given by both his resort, and ARDA....but he is only one of many thousands that likely get this same advice and follow it, which is incredibly sad.


    (ps, heres to hoping the individual joins TUG and uses the advice given in our reply to this email to avoid being scammed, and actually give away his Timeshare, perhaps he will even chime in here!)
     
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    Oh my goodness! What resort would suggest an upfront fee company? How knowledgeable are those people. ARDA has upfront fee companies as members, I knew that already, and in the current issue of Timesharing Today, one guy has a big picture of him with his company name listed. That is such a joke. I just looked at it today.
     
  3. TUGBrian

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    most resorts arent likely to refer owners to useful sites where they will learn that their timeshares have little to no resale value.

    instead they refer them to upfront fee sites that spin wild tales about how they will easily sell for thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars...thus making the owner very happy and more than willing to plop down a few hundred bucks up front.

    it just kicks the bucket of truth down the road a few months (or years) at the expense of the owner.
     
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    It would interesting which timeshare it is and which company they referred him to. Hopefully this person listens to your advice.
     
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    And that probably explains why many of these resorts do not send out stern, clear warnings to owners (a personal pet peeve) about these upfront fee scam companies. One big protection for owners against these upfront fee resale scams is to know the realistic resale value of their TS.
     
  6. TUGBrian

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    absolutely...

    if there is one thing the industry fears, its that resale/depreciation of timeshares becomes common knowledge!
     
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    also in a later reply the individual said the two outfits he was referred to were buyatimeshare and timesharesonly
     
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    Honor among thieves, perhaps? If an upfront fee company is a member of ARDA, of course ARDA and resorts associated with ARDA will recommend them.

    So far as I know, Viking Ship companies are not members of ARDA, and ARDA and some resorts do advise against selling to Viking Ship companies, so at least they have that going for them.
     
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    These are sites I do look at resales.

    I had put an offer in once at Buyatimeshare. Two days later someone from the company called and asked if I heard from the seller which I did not. They told me that often happens and they would follow up. I never heard back from them or the seller.

    Timeshareonly I recently noticed an ad from 2011.

    Has anyone put an offer in or had success buying from either buyatimeshare or timeshareonly and if yes was it a direct sale from the seller? Or fees padded on to buy?
     
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    How does one know whether a company is a Viking Ship LLC? They all look alike to me.
     
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    Many upfront fee companies place ads "for life"...its how they inflate their ad counts for marketing purposes.
     
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    Vistana is actively referring people to ARDA
     
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    Does ARDA returned any money back to resorts that some timeshare members contributed that $5.00 ARDA fee; when paying their yearly maintenance fees?
     
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    just sad.

     
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    owners should write to their BOD/HOA and ask why they dont refer existing owners to TUG, or at least print out the how to sell guide etc to actually providing meaningful help to owners who are looking for it....vs doing more harm than good by actually REFERRING them to the upfront fee sharks.

    wont hold my breath expecting any answers if some owners do decide to ask these questions, but it cant hurt!
     
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    Not sure why they would. That $5-10 goes to a political PAC and is used to fund lobbying efforts at local, state and federal levels.
     
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    Redweek charges $125.00 upfront to list a sale and $300.00 or 3% at closing.
    Can anyone suggest a company to use to sell a Marriott Hawaii week please? Thank you.
     
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    Yes, and far too often (one might say nearly always) ARDA advocates politically in the interests of the developers at the expense of owners.
     
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    Have you tried posting on the TUG Marketplace? If you find a buyer, you can read under the “Buying, Selling, Renting” forum how to draw up a contract and effect a transfer. Or you can find the buyer on TUG and then hire a broker at reduced brokerage to complete the sale for you.
     
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    I am noticing more and more Redweek ads are full service. I am also finding Redweek to be less and less an ideal place to find decent resales. Not sure if the two are related.
     
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    I recently acquired a great resale week on Redweek. Definitely was worth my money to pay the fee to join.

    I had the intent to list on Redweek if I wasn’t successful gifting my timeshares on Tug. As of yet I had no need as all Tug listings were taken.
     
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    I think it would be helpful to include your response or a link to the information, which I think is somewhere on the site, here so all who read this thread get the benefit of the information.
     
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    Terry1015,
    While TUG is the way to go for diy sales, should you wish to sell with a reputable, knowledgeable, and very experienced company to avoid the inevitable quirks and nuances of transacting this (or any real property) TS selling process, I had excellent personal service for a purchase utilizing Transaction Realty out of SLC. Shelley knows her stuff and can provide a wealth of info as she did for me many yrs ago. No upfront fee for the seller or buyer as far as I'm aware. She is an owner and a TUG advertiser and member. Check it out if you're still in the market. Disclaimer: She is not a relative nor do I get any compensation for these unsolicited comments.
     
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    There is television star that is pushing Timeshare Exit Company. Have anyone used this company?
     
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    you can find a number of threads about TET on the forums, they appear to have taken over the mainstream media advertisements...but are indeed an upfront fee "cancellation" company.
     

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