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Tourists, Venetians slosh through flooded lagoon city

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Welcome to November in Venice. This happens more years than not. If going there, pack your galoshes.
 

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As sea levels rise, this situation will occur in many more coastal regions than just Venice. This week's full moon also causes higher than usual tides, increasing the chances of coastal flooding.
 

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Perhaps I could bring my wet-dry shop vac to help out.
 

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Perhaps I could bring my wet-dry shop vac to help out.
Might be more helpful to bring a shovel to shovel sand against the tide.
 

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We were just there a few weeks ago. Beautiful weather, no water issues. But we did notice the city engineers started strategically putting metal "sidewalk" risers around town......they must have predicted the pending water level changes.
 

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The Venetians are blaming some of these problems on the cruising industry with their large cruise ships and the large numbers of tourists on these mega ships.
 

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An update on Rich's article. Water peaked at 1.87 meters, far higher than the 1.27 mentioned in the linked article. 85% of Venice is flooded. It is the sixth time St. Mark's Basilica has flooded in the last 1200 years, but the fourth time in the last two decades.

I hate to say this, but the deeping of the channel for those large cruise ships might no longer an issue as Venice faces ruin.
 

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Not a place I would invest in.
 

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Very sad to see and hear of the latest extreme flooding. Venice is such an historic and unique city...a long-time personal favourite. The impact of the repeated floods in recent decades can be clearly seen on the buildings and infrastructure of the city. I have certainly noticed the change each time I have returned. :(:(
 

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.....and building a city on pilings in a lagoon is a good idea why?
 

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The reports say this current flooding is the worst in 50 years and and the mayor of Venice blames it on climate change. When it flooded worse 50 years ago, on what was that blamed?
 
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.....and building a city on pilings in a lagoon is a good idea why?

For reasons of safety. Venice was founded as the Western Roman Empire collapsed. As early as the late 2nd century AD, the nearby mainland cities were being constantly overrun and plundered and their citizens killed by invading Germanic tribes. This trend accelerated by the late 5th century AD as the Visigoths, Huns and Lombards invaded in wave after wave.

Eventually the remaining Romans sought refuge on the nearby islands that had previously only been occupied by fishermen. The surrounding water and isolated islands made it easier to defend and of less interest to the invading tribes. The new occupants gradually expanded what became Venice by employing a system of canals and bridges, while joining and expanding the islands using pilings to support the building structures.

The process is not very different to the steel pilings used in cities like New Orleans where the land does not sit much above the water table. Can you tell Venice is one of my favourite cities? And that I am a history buff? :D;)
 

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For reasons of safety. Venice was founded as the Western Roman Empire collapsed. As early as the late 2nd century AD, the nearby mainland cities were being constantly overrun and plundered and their citizens killed by invading Germanic tribes. This trend accelerated by the late 5th century AD as the Visigoths, Huns and Lombards invaded in wave after wave.

Eventually the remaining Romans sought refuge on the nearby islands that had previously only been occupied by fishermen. The surrounding water and isolated islands made it easier to defend and of less interest to the invading tribes. The new occupants gradually expanded what became Venice by employing a system of canals and bridges, while joining and expanding the islands using pilings to support the building structures.

The process is not very different to the steel pilings used in cities like New Orleans where the land does not sit much above the water table. Can you tell Venice is one of my favourite cities? And that I am a history buff? :D;)

I know the history of why Venice is where it is. But also like NOLA, with our modern understanding of building structures and the environment, we should never choose those locations today. Construction and water coupled with storms just do not go well together. But we continue to make these decisions even today.
 

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I know the history of why Venice is where it is. But also like NOLA, with our modern understanding of building structures and the environment, we should never choose those locations today. Construction and water coupled with storms just do not go well together. But we continue to make these decisions even today.

Glad to hear you know why Venice was built where it is, Sandy, and its history. I must admit that your initial comment took me a bit by surprise, especially coming from you. I mistakenly assumed it was a question/comment concerning Venice itself!!

Agree we should avoid allowing new communities to be built in flood-prone areas, so thanks for the clarification. However, the same comment/question could be made about why we continue to allow re-building on hurricane-prone coasts or in earthquake-prone areas.

This regular and repeated extreme flooding is a relatively new phenomenon in the almost 1500 year history of Venice. So I originally thought you might be suggesting that they should not be allowed to repair it or even be made to abandon it? That, IMO, would be an even bigger loss to the world. Happy to hear that was not your intended suggestion! :)
 
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Glad to hear you know why Venice was built where it is, Sandy, and its history. I must admit that your initial comment took me a bit by surprise, especially coming from you. I mistakenly assumed it was a question/comment concerning Venice itself!! :)

It was a cheeky response to why people make dumb decisions to live where mother nature clearly has more power and is fickle.
 

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The reports say this current flooding is the worst in 50 years and and the mayor of Venice blames it on climate change. When it flooded worse 50 years ago, on what was that blamed?

Exactly. The climate always changes. It has for as long as the earth has been in existence. That is what weather is.
 

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Exactly. The climate always changes. It has for as long as the earth has been in existence. That is what weather is.

Not trying to get political here, but both weather and climate change, just over different time periods.

Weather is what is happening right now on a daily or seasonal basis. Climate measures the range of those weather swings over much longer periods, whether (no pun intended) over a 10-, 50-, 100-, 1,000-, 10,000-year period, or more.

The bigger flood 50 years ago was in the extreme range, as is today's. Those are both weather. The fact there have now been four floods of St. Mark's Basilica in the last two decades, but only two others in the previous 1,200 years is indicative of some type of climate change.
 
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