Why?? Way way less access to resale buyers after 1/1/19

[nomoretslt]

At least the original 14 aren’t held to just their home resort if resale (after 2042 there would still be SSR, extended OKW, Animal Kingdom, Copper Creek, Bay Lake Tower, Grand Floridian, Grand Californian, and Aulani). Resales at Riviera or Reflections won’t have the luxury of finding availability at another DVC resort last minute if their plans change - maybe this will lead to people using RCI more so at least they don’t lose their points. Who knows, maybe Disney will come up with a way to “qualify” your resale points on Riviera and Reflections for a large fee - LOL.

To be honest, if I were looking at buying DVC today vs when we bought in 2002, I would have passed on it. I used to think of DVC as standing above the other brands, but now they are copying their lower competition like Westgate.

It's hard to find ANYTHING last minute at DVC (except Saratoga Springs and Animal Kingdom). To be honest, I wish DVC would find a way to clamp down on the big renting companies. There used to be a "pride in ownership"....I won't go into my deep feelings about this. Many people profit from this practice. And DVC, from what I have been able to find, does not seem to go after owners for damages and theft when they are not the ones using their points. Not painting renters with a broad brush....but there used to be a saying "don't worry, it's a rental" and "don't worry, the landlord with fix it".

I think, and I may be wrong, that new DVC prospective buyers are much more aware of other timeshares when compared to Disney. There are so many popping up around Disney. And there are so many commercials out there about "help me dump my timeshare".

Although I would not advise anyone to buy DVC unless they have the cash on hand or can do a short term loan at a very low interest rate. That is what we did with our first purchase in 1997. It was a real struggle but we paid off our first contract in a year.

And they do have ROFR....since they will not buy your contract from you directly (unless you foreclose on it or don't pay dues or whatever...not sure what happens in that case), you are forced to go to a resale vendor. And if they want it, they can take it. So I really don't think they are doing these things to discourage the resale market. Then again, I can be completely wrong.

I've never been sorry for any of my DVC purchases direct and/or resale. I DID pay way too much for Saratoga direct.....$90/pt when it wasn't even opened yet. But we used those points for BoardWalk stays for many, many years and two trips to Aulani. We never stayed at Saratoga. But since it is getting harder to change resorts at 7 months, I am glad we sold those points (for $102/point) to buy Riviera. We used those points for close to 15 years maybe more (can't remember what year we bought). But I think those days may be over. If the bubble bursts, I may have to snatch up some small contracts here and there.

 

[CPNY]

My sister in law wants me to buy DVC. Can’t she just be happy with Marriott? LOL. I kind of want Riviera! The skylink to Epcot and HS looks great

 

[Dean]

My sister in law wants me to buy DVC. Can’t she just be happy with Marriott? LOL. I kind of want Riviera! The skylink to Epcot and HS looks great

She wants you to buy DVC so she can freeload? Why doesn't she buy and take you instead of the reverse?

 

[CPNY]

She wants you to buy DVC so she can freeload? Why doesn't she buy and take you instead of the reverse?

It’s more of a joke because I have vistana and She loves Disney lol. More of a “geeez why can’t one of these timeshares you keep buying be a DVC one?!” My SIL and brother need to be more freeloading. They are too giving sometimes. Every time I take them they buy my park tickets so it works out.

 

[Dean]

It’s more of a joke because I have vistana and She loves Disney lol. More of a “geeez why can’t one of these timeshares you keep buying be a DVC one?!” My SIL and brother need to be more freeloading. They are too giving sometimes. Every time I take them they buy my park tickets so it works out.

I figured but you never know. That's where we are, we book and invite people on our dime because we can, our way of giving back. I had 10 units at Grande ocean this summer, we'll have more next year. OTOH, I've seen lot's of examples where it wasn't amicable. There is a lot of dysfunction out there and it seems to be more with Disney than in most areas. I've seen people provide the accommodations and have guests upset they weren't buying their tickets and food. I've seen family members EXPECT to go for free even when the owner was not going. I've seen lots of people invite themselves (usually for free) when it wasn't appropriate. This knowledge going in can some some people a lot of emotion where applicable.

 

[CPNY]

I figured but you never know. That's where we are, we book and invite people on our dime because we can, our way of giving back. I had 10 units at Grande ocean this summer, we'll have more next year. OTOH, I've seen lot's of examples where it wasn't amicable. There is a lot of dysfunction out there and it seems to be more with Disney than in most areas. I've seen people provide the accommodations and have guests upset they weren't buying their tickets and food. I've seen family members EXPECT to go for free even when the owner was not going. I've seen lots of people invite themselves (usually for free) when it wasn't appropriate. This knowledge going in can some some people a lot of emotion where applicable.

I know it all too well! I don’t ask and I don’t expect but it’s nice when the offer is there. This year they are trying to buy their first house so i wouldn’t expect anything. For this trip I did an II getaway anyway and only paid 376 for MGV so it’s allll good!

I used my Harborside resort week Labor Day week and took a solo trip. Friends invited themselves and I said NO. I want to just go alone and relax without a care in the world and reset. They weren’t happy and I thought that was a bit ridiculous.

 

[Dean]

I know it all too well! I don’t ask and I don’t expect but it’s nice when the offer is there. This year they are trying to buy their first house so i wouldn’t expect anything. For this trip I did an II getaway anyway and only paid 376 for MGV so it’s allll good!

I used my Harborside resort week Labor Day week and took a solo trip. Friends invited themselves and I said NO. I want to just go alone and relax without a care in the world and reset. They weren’t happy and I thought that was a bit ridiculous.

At least you found out who your friends are. I can see asking to go if done appropriately but done in a different manner or to be upset about it is unreasonable.

 

[CPNY]

At least you found out who your friends are. I can see asking to go if done appropriately but done in a different manner or to be upset about it is unreasonable.

I agree! Exactly. Then midweek “we checked flights it’s so cheap we are coming” I said flat out, “no you’re not. I’m having the best alone time lol, but if you want to come I’ll help you find yourselves a room cause coming to my room and being all up in my space will Ben chaotic and not relaxing. Y’all can come next time I book a two bedroom and lock you off haha.”

 

[rickandcindy23]

Rick and I booked a one bedroom at OKW for two nights because flying in on a Tuesday was so much cheaper than Thursday. We had Thursday-Thursday at Marriott's Cypress Harbour. I couldn't believe how much cheaper it was to fly to Orlando on a Tuesday, and that was one reason we bought DVC, but I admit to renting it more than using it.

Early Magic Hours are tough to do for us. We don't like to get up that early. 7 AM is 5 AM Denver time, and we are old, so booking Disney for those benefits is really no benefit; however, booking Disney now for the FP+ is well worth staying on Disney property.

 

[CPNY]

Rick and I booked a one bedroom at OKW for two nights because flying in on a Tuesday was so much cheaper than Thursday. We had Thursday-Thursday at Marriott's Cypress Harbour. I couldn't believe how much cheaper it was to fly to Orlando on a Tuesday, and that was one reason we bought DVC, but I admit to renting it more than using it.

Early Magic Hours are tough to do for us. We don't like to get up that early. 7 AM is 5 AM Denver time, and we are old, so booking Disney for those benefits is really no benefit; however, booking Disney now for the FP+ is well worth staying on Disney property.

FP+ is 60 days out? Is that the same if a non owner rented points through one of the point rental websites?

 

[dioxide45]

FP+ is 60 days out? Is that the same if a non owner rented points through one of the point rental websites?

As far as I know, as long as you have a DVC res number, you get the FP+.

 

[CPNY]

As far as I know, as long as you have a DVC res number, you get the FP+.

I’m struggling with a DVC because I generally want to make reservations for long weeks 60-90 days in advance. Many are saying not much available that close? Generally I’d go fall weekends or December. I try to stay away spring break and summer weeks

 

[Dean]

I’m struggling with a DVC because I generally want to make reservations for long weeks 60-90 days in advance. Many are saying not much available that close? Generally I’d go fall weekends or December. I try to stay away spring break and summer weeks

No way would I buy DVC or frankly, any other timeshare, with this plan as the main usage option.

 

[dioxide45]

No way would I buy DVC or frankly, any other timeshare, with this plan as the main usage option.

I think Vistana may work for this. I was able to easily book SVV about 30 days out using StarOptions for Labor Day weekend. It is also much cheaper than DVC.

 

[bnoble]

I’m struggling with a DVC because I generally want to make reservations for long weeks 60-90 days in advance. Many are saying not much available that close? Generally I’d go fall weekends or December. I try to stay away spring break and summer weeks

DVC's busiest season for internal reservations is roughly the beginning of Food & Wine through the Marathon weekend. It is almost uniquely ill-suited to what you want.

 

[Dean]

I think Vistana may work for this. I was able to easily book SVV about 30 days out using StarOptions for Labor Day weekend. It is also much cheaper than DVC.

It's not that there aren't options that may work but rather that there are no options that will work successfully and consistently for this situation other than if you're OK with anything, esp lower rated places, as an exchange or with RCI points and paying the additional housekeeping fees. Even DVC may work at times, there are owners who use it that way. But availability has tightened up over the years and it doesn't work nearly as well buy DVC for this purpose as it once did. Plus CPNY already has the Vistana option so it's not buying something new.

 

[CPNY]

No way would I buy DVC or frankly, any other timeshare, with this plan as the main usage option.

I agree, which is why i struggle with buying any DVC points. However, I do find with vistana availability opens 60days prior because that’s when people cancel before restrictions set in. Also, I’ve seen some good last min interval trades. Not that I ever used interval to exchange. I’d rather book a getaway.

 

[CPNY]

DVC's busiest season for internal reservations is roughly the beginning of Food & Wine through the Marathon weekend. It is almost uniquely ill-suited to what you want.

Correct, which is why I struggle with buying any DVC. But maybe riviera might be good?

 

[bnoble]

Why would the booking patterns there be any different?

 

[dioxide45]

Why would the booking patterns there be any different?

It is because of the way DVC allocated their points across seasons. Because fall is low season, they have lower point requirements so DVC members book this up to extend their points. There really is no low season at Disney anymore.

 

[bnoble]

No, I get that. I was asking CPNY why they thought Riviera would be any different from any other DVC resort in the busy season of Fall through Marathon.

 

[Dean]

No, I get that. I was asking CPNY why they thought Riviera would be any different from any other DVC resort in the busy season of Fall through Marathon.

Long term and in general I think Riviera will be more like GF. Not because it's as popular but as there are a sizable chunk of members that can only reserve there, it may make a difference adding to the inherent demand.

 

[CPNY]

Long term and in general I think Riviera will be more like GF. Not because it's as popular but as there are a sizable chunk of members that can only reserve there, it may make a difference adding to the inherent demand.

That’s what I was thinking, but also regardless of availability, it seems like the one resort I would enjoy. Having the skylink or skyway whatever the name is, goes to two of my favorite parks. But yes, I would think because of the restrictions on resale that may make a difference.

 

[Dean]

That’s what I was thinking, but also regardless of availability, it seems like the one resort I would enjoy. Having the skylink or skyway whatever the name is, goes to two of my favorite parks. But yes, I would think because of the restrictions on resale that may make a difference.

Thinking one would enjoy it is a big unknown when paying this much for something. A lot of people are skeptical of the skyway, myself included.

 

[CPNY]

Thinking one would enjoy it is a big unknown when paying this much for something. A lot of people are skeptical of the skyway, myself included.

To be honest, I am as well. As a claustrophobic I could just deal as long as we don’t stop. I could always just do what I usually do, Uber!