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We attended a presentation at Pinon Pointe and for the 1st time were tempted. We were offered 660 points for 13,950 but it included the ability to Hyattize our 3 weeks. Maintenance fees were 705.With Marriott in the picture we are thinking down the road there may be a benefit to being Hyattized. We are not interested in the hotel points. The pros for us: 1. the ability to combine our 3 units to one date as currently they are spread out and challenging to combine. 2. Supposedly as a hybrid owner you have access to both club and HPP inventory. Is that actually true? Cons: the MF is high for such little points and the unknown will Hyattizing points actually help? It is an unknown if Marriott will change things up. There is a cut off date now for being Hyattized. If you bought before May 2016 . If not they call for permission but it seems right now they are putting resales through. We opted to not jump but I am curious to hear input from Tuggers
 

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There are some benefits to Hyattizing resale weeks, however the value of that will vary by owner depending on how they used their ownership. As a hybrid owner you would have better access to HPP units - currently HRC owners currently have access to HPP, however not until 6 months prior to check in. - so as an HPP owner you'd have access 12 months prior. However with 660 HPP points, there's not a lot of reservation options. To widen the reservation options, you'd have to deposit your HRC week/s into HPP. Based on what current hybrid owners are saying, they're foregoing their deeded HRC week and depositing them into HPP in the expectation of getting prime reservations via HPP - unfortunately for the most part, they're not getting those prime reservations, so the disappointed with HPP is setting in. Have heard of one hybrid owner getting a prime HSH week in 2020 - have heard other hybrid owners that have struck out. One hybrid owner was so disillusioned with HPP that they visited the sales center in Key West and ask Hyatt to buy their HPP points - they obviously struck out again as Hyatt said "No". If you're not looking for prime time reservations, you're HPP mileage should improve.

Will things change moving forward with Marriott at the captain's wheel of Hyatt - absolutely yes. The fact that you can now Hyattize multiple resale weeks with a single purchase of 660 points is new.
 

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There are some benefits to Hyattizing resale weeks, however the value of that will vary by owner depending on how they used their ownership. As a hybrid owner you would have better access to HPP units - currently HRC owners currently have access to HPP, however not until 6 months prior to check in. - so as an HPP owner you'd have access 12 months prior. However with 660 HPP points, there's not a lot of reservation options. To widen the reservation options, you'd have to deposit your HRC week/s into HPP. Based on what current hybrid owners are saying, they're foregoing their deeded HRC week and depositing them into HPP in the expectation of getting prime reservations via HPP - unfortunately for the most part, they're not getting those prime reservations, so the disappointed with HPP is setting in. Have heard of one hybrid owner getting a prime HSH week in 2020 - have heard other hybrid owners that have struck out. One hybrid owner was so disillusioned with HPP that they visited the sales center in Key West and ask Hyatt to buy their HPP points - they obviously struck out again as Hyatt said "No". If you're not looking for prime time reservations, you're HPP mileage should improve.

Will things change moving forward with Marriott at the captain's wheel of Hyatt - absolutely yes. The fact that you can now Hyattize multiple resale weeks with a single purchase of 660 points is new.
Thanks for the helpful reply. So if we moved our 3 weeks into HPP on a given year are we giving g up the ability to reserve club inventory. We are exchangers and do not use our set weeks and most of what we use is not in HPP. We like the advantage of all our points coming in on Jan so we could combine them. We would also have the highest status but not sure that would help for Maui Siesta Key and Breckenridge our most go to spots
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If you do decide to go ahead with a purchase, make sure that you get everything you want in writing on the contract.

I wonder how they came up with May of 2016?
 

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Thanks for the helpful reply. So if we moved our 3 weeks into HPP on a given year are we giving g up the ability to reserve club inventory. We are exchangers and do not use our set weeks and most of what we use is not in HPP. We like the advantage of all our points coming in on Jan so we could combine them. We would also have the highest status but not sure that would help for Maui Siesta Key and Breckenridge our most go to spots
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When you deposit your HRC deeded week into HPP, it is essentially the same thing as converting your HRPP week into CUP points as you're giving up your guaranteed week/unit to exchange to another Hyatt property - except your points are on the HPP side of the fence in lieu of the HRC side. You can exchange into HRC properties via HPP points - however I don't see much of an advantage in doing that with HPP as you can already do that with your current HRC ownership.

The wild card in the exchange game is the wait list - is there one common wait list (HRC & HPP) or are there two different wait lists (1 for HRC and 1 for HPP). I haven't seen/heard a clear definitive answer on that - its possible that there isn't a simple answer to that question as there could be two different lists for the first 6 month period and then a combined list for the second 6 month period. Based on the one 2020 HSH prime time reservation confirmation with HPP points that I know of, I'm now thinking there are separate lists initially. I say that due to the fact that the prime time HSH HPP reservation confirmation came 51 weeks prior to check in. Since that HSH HPP confirmed week is a highly requested prime time, I'm certain that there were HRC wait list requests for the week - however the HRC wait list did not get the confirmation. The thought is that a hybrid owner deposited their deeded HSH prime time week into HPP - and that deposited week went to a wait listed HPP owner in lieu of a wait listed HRC owner as the week was still in the HPP priority period.

A positive with exchanging via HPP is the flexibility to select the check-in day and reserve single night's or less than a full week. A negative with exchanging thru HPP is that your $13k poorer due to the buy in price. Based on the HSH prime time week being confirmed to a HPP owner, it now seems the really big negative for you in trying to reserve Maui, Siesta Key or Breck through HPP is that they are not in the HPP program. So the odds of a successful exchange would drop dramatically as you're waiting on a unicorn to appear - a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner who also owns HPP to deposit their prime time HRC deeded week into the HPP program - while it's possible that a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner will give up their deeded week by depositing into HPP, it's not probable in my mind.

We need an HRC owner to attend a Hyatt Sales Presentation and drill deep into the HRC/HPP wait list topic - and don't let the sales staff side step/double speak on the answer. Any volunteers?? :)
 

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We just sat through the presentation as well this week... as did some other folks we talked to around the campfire... everyone is being offered different things... ours was about $17,000, (I cannot remember how many points)... another couple $40,000 (And they did not offer them any other option).. for us they were offering a ‘bridge’ to be able to put our 2 weeks into the HPP on a year to year basis... and if we didn’t take it they would document that we refused and the next time around the minimum point buyin would be 2200 to get that ‘bridge’.... we did not take the offer, as we believe there is still too much up in the air...
 

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When you deposit your HRC deeded week into HPP, it is essentially the same thing as converting your HRPP week into CUP points as you're giving up your guaranteed week/unit to exchange to another Hyatt property - except your points are on the HPP side of the fence in lieu of the HRC side. You can exchange into HRC properties via HPP points - however I don't see much of an advantage in doing that with HPP as you can already do that with your current HRC ownership.

The wild card in the exchange game is the wait list - is there one common wait list (HRC & HPP) or are there two different wait lists (1 for HRC and 1 for HPP). I haven't seen/heard a clear definitive answer on that - its possible that there isn't a simple answer to that question as there could be two different lists for the first 6 month period and then a combined list for the second 6 month period. Based on the one 2020 HSH prime time reservation confirmation with HPP points that I know of, I'm now thinking there are separate lists initially. I say that due to the fact that the prime time HSH HPP reservation confirmation came 51 weeks prior to check in. Since that HSH HPP confirmed week is a highly requested prime time, I'm certain that there were HRC wait list requests for the week - however the HRC wait list did not get the confirmation. The thought is that a hybrid owner deposited their deeded HSH prime time week into HPP - and that deposited week went to a wait listed HPP owner in lieu of a wait listed HRC owner as the week was still in the HPP priority period.

A positive with exchanging via HPP is the flexibility to select the check-in day and reserve single night's or less than a full week. A negative with exchanging thru HPP is that your $13k poorer due to the buy in price. Based on the HSH prime time week being confirmed to a HPP owner, it now seems the really big negative for you in trying to reserve Maui, Siesta Key or Breck through HPP is that they are not in the HPP program. So the odds of a successful exchange would drop dramatically as you're waiting on a unicorn to appear - a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner who also owns HPP to deposit their prime time HRC deeded week into the HPP program - while it's possible that a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner will give up their deeded week by depositing into HPP, it's not probable in my mind.

We need an HRC owner to attend a Hyatt Sales Presentation and drill deep into the HRC/HPP wait list topic - and don't let the sales staff side step/double speak on the answer. Any volunteers?? :)
We asked the question every which way and a came out
still confused. I will try calling the reservation line to try and get an answer
 

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We just sat through the presentation as well this week... as did some other folks we talked to around the campfire... everyone is being offered different things... ours was about $17,000, (I cannot remember how many points)... another couple $40,000 (And they did not offer them any other option).. for us they were offering a ‘bridge’ to be able to put our 2 weeks into the HPP on a year to year basis... and if we didn’t take it they would document that we refused and the next time around the minimum point buyin would be 2200 to get that ‘bridge’.... we did not take the offer, as we believe there is still too much up in the air...
I believe corporate office just recently changed the offer to make it more favorable so maybe it was within the last few days. Having different offers is not wise as everyone in the hot tub and around the fire pit is going to share information and it makes for unhappy owners. We also had to sign that we declined the offer but weren't told we couldn't get it again . We were of course told the offer was for that day.
 

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We attended a presentation at Pinon Pointe and for the 1st time were tempted. We were offered 660 points for 13,950 but it included the ability to Hyattize our 3 weeks. Maintenance fees were 705.With Marriott in the picture we are thinking down the road there may be a benefit to being Hyattized. We are not interested in the hotel points. The pros for us: 1. the ability to combine our 3 units to one date as currently they are spread out and challenging to combine. 2. Supposedly as a hybrid owner you have access to both club and HPP inventory. Is that actually true? Cons: the MF is high for such little points and the unknown will Hyattizing points actually help? It is an unknown if Marriott will change things up. There is a cut off date now for being Hyattized. If you bought before May 2016 . If not they call for permission but it seems right now they are putting resales through. We opted to not jump but I am curious to hear input from Tuggers

Yesterday we attended maybe our 5th presentation, now at WOR. The initial pitch was that 1100 points was the minimum purchase. When we countered that we had been offered a 660 point purchase in Feb. at CP which would allow us to bring ONE of our weeks into HPP, and offered to buy 660 points if they would bring in ALL 4 WEEKS we own, they agreed and we bought the points. We had actually bought in Feb. but rescinded due to carrying two mortgages. In the interim, our old house finally sold. Our reasoning is very similar to Tucson's and was significantly influenced by our age [mid 70s] because our children will find using the timeshares much simplified by being in the HPP as well as the legacy system.

In addition to the advantages you mention [all points issued together, access to both systems], HPP allows banking and borrowing points over at least 3 years [similar to our Disney points], booking up to 18 months out, ability to book any number of days you want, conversion of leftover points to Hyatt Hotel points that never expire [we too have little interest in the hotels, but this means you never have to let any points expire], and the curious ability to get guaranteed view and/or floor reservation by using an extra 100 points. The salesperson told us they are developing an adjunct ability to use HPP points to get river and ocean cruises, and of course the possibility of new resorts down the road - a longstanding lie so far, but maybe more believable with Marriott capital now in the picture.

Up to now we had not been willing to Hyattize due to the high cost, but to get all 4 of our weeks in for this price made it more affordable. The clincher for us is that our kids will find it so much more user friendly down the road. They have used and " get " the Disney points system and this will be quite similar. So Hyatt has made it a bit less costly to bring in multiple weeks, but for single week owners it is likely still too much money.
 

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Yesterday we attended maybe our 5th presentation, now at WOR. The initial pitch was that 1100 points was the minimum purchase. When we countered that we had been offered a 660 point purchase in Feb. at CP which would allow us to bring ONE of our weeks into HPP, and offered to buy 660 points if they would bring in ALL 4 WEEKS we own, they agreed and we bought the points. We had actually bought in Feb. but rescinded due to carrying two mortgages. In the interim, our old house finally sold. Our reasoning is very similar to Tucson's and was significantly influenced by our age [mid 70s] because our children will find using the timeshares much simplified by being in the HPP as well as the legacy system.

In addition to the advantages you mention [all points issued together, access to both systems], HPP allows banking and borrowing points over at least 3 years [similar to our Disney points], booking up to 18 months out, ability to book any number of days you want, conversion of leftover points to Hyatt Hotel points that never expire [we too have little interest in the hotels, but this means you never have to let any points expire], and the curious ability to get guaranteed view and/or floor reservation by using an extra 100 points. The salesperson told us they are developing an adjunct ability to use HPP points to get river and ocean cruises, and of course the possibility of new resorts down the road - a longstanding lie so far, but maybe more believable with Marriott capital now in the picture.

Up to now we had not been willing to Hyattize due to the high cost, but to get all 4 of our weeks in for this price made it more affordable. The clincher for us is that our kids will find it so much more user friendly down the road. They have used and " get " the Disney points system and this will be quite similar. So Hyatt has made it a bit less costly to bring in multiple weeks, but for single week owners it is likely still too much money.
What price did they offer? They started our offer higher also then went down to 1000 then to 660.
 

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What price did they offer? They started our offer higher also then went down to 1000 then to 660.
We paid $20 per point or $ 13200, plus $ 238.80 closing cost, so total of $ 13438.80 for 660 points.
 

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Forgot to say maintenance fee $ o.84 per point.
Wow that is a lower MF than what they quoted us by by about 150. I didn't realize that part was negotiable. Did you get a sense of how the wait list works?
 

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Wow that is a lower MF than what they quoted us by by about 150. I didn't realize that part was negotiable. Did you get a sense of how the wait list works?

There was no negotiation about the maintenance fee, that is just what they told us it would be on our contract. They said that by having the ability to put in a wait list request up to 18 months ahead would put us closer to the front of the que, bettering our chance for an eventual match. What is not clear to me is if that applies to both HPP and HRC inventory, or just HPP, and I neglected to ask the specific question.
 

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We will be at HWOR in 4 weeks and I plan on attending the sales presentation. We were basically given an EOYO Week 15 at HWOR (1400 points) with the purchaser of a fixed HWOR Week 23. If we purchased 400 annual points, that would give us 2200 (1400 + 400 + 400) points Every Odd Year. I would like to know if that would enable us to trade into HKB on occasion. That might be of interest, maybe... I will be interested in what they have to say. If HKB isn’t in the Points system, we would have zero interest.
 

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When you deposit your HRC deeded week into HPP, it is essentially the same thing as converting your HRPP week into CUP points as you're giving up your guaranteed week/unit to exchange to another Hyatt property - except your points are on the HPP side of the fence in lieu of the HRC side. You can exchange into HRC properties via HPP points - however I don't see much of an advantage in doing that with HPP as you can already do that with your current HRC ownership.

The wild card in the exchange game is the wait list - is there one common wait list (HRC & HPP) or are there two different wait lists (1 for HRC and 1 for HPP). I haven't seen/heard a clear definitive answer on that - its possible that there isn't a simple answer to that question as there could be two different lists for the first 6 month period and then a combined list for the second 6 month period. Based on the one 2020 HSH prime time reservation confirmation with HPP points that I know of, I'm now thinking there are separate lists initially. I say that due to the fact that the prime time HSH HPP reservation confirmation came 51 weeks prior to check in. Since that HSH HPP confirmed week is a highly requested prime time, I'm certain that there were HRC wait list requests for the week - however the HRC wait list did not get the confirmation. The thought is that a hybrid owner deposited their deeded HSH prime time week into HPP - and that deposited week went to a wait listed HPP owner in lieu of a wait listed HRC owner as the week was still in the HPP priority period.

A positive with exchanging via HPP is the flexibility to select the check-in day and reserve single night's or less than a full week. A negative with exchanging thru HPP is that your $13k poorer due to the buy in price. Based on the HSH prime time week being confirmed to a HPP owner, it now seems the really big negative for you in trying to reserve Maui, Siesta Key or Breck through HPP is that they are not in the HPP program. So the odds of a successful exchange would drop dramatically as you're waiting on a unicorn to appear - a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner who also owns HPP to deposit their prime time HRC deeded week into the HPP program - while it's possible that a Maui, Siesta Key or Breck owner will give up their deeded week by depositing into HPP, it's not probable in my mind.

We need an HRC owner to attend a Hyatt Sales Presentation and drill deep into the HRC/HPP wait list topic - and don't let the sales staff side step/double speak on the answer. Any volunteers?? :)
We just got off the phone with member services Portfolio and clarified that there is only 1 waitlist. As a portfolio member if I were to put all my weeks into portfolio I would still see and have access to Club inventory. There is a $ 60 housekeeping fee waived for elite members.There is still a split fee of 39. Hopefully this rep knew her stuff. We still might try to reach folks who we know are experienced if they are still there to verefy
 

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We will be at HWOR in 4 weeks and I plan on attending the sales presentation. We were basically given an EOYO Week 15 at HWOR (1400 points) with the purchaser of a fixed HWOR Week 23. If we purchased 400 annual points, that would give us 2200 (1400 + 400 + 400) points Every Odd Year. I would like to know if that would enable us to trade into HKB on occasion. That might be of interest, maybe... I will be interested in what they have to say. If HKB isn’t in the Points system, we would have zero interest.

The Portfolio Program Guide given to us shows that the Maui property is not in the portfolio program. However, if Tucson Adventurer's info from his phone call today is correct, then you may have an advantage on the wait list to get an HKB reservation by being in HPP.
 

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We will be at HWOR in 4 weeks and I plan on attending the sales presentation. We were basically given an EOYO Week 15 at HWOR (1400 points) with the purchaser of a fixed HWOR Week 23. If we purchased 400 annual points, that would give us 2200 (1400 + 400 + 400) points Every Odd Year. I would like to know if that would enable us to trade into HKB on occasion. That might be of interest, maybe... I will be interested in what they have to say. If HKB isn’t in the Points system, we would have zero interest.
HKB is not in the program but you can still reserve it from the portfolio as a hybrid owner. Sounds like 660 is the minimum amount of points
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Let us know what you decide
 

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HKB is not in the program but you can still reserve it from the portfolio as a hybrid owner. Sounds like 660 is the minimum amount of points
s you can buy
Let us know what you decide
I am interested in what they will say when I tell them I have no interest in buying more than 400 Annual points. We use the 1400 HWOR points for trading (off season or short stays in smaller units.). If we can’t combine them with 800 portfolio points to get to 2200 points (for an EOYO 2/2 7 night stay) at HKB, we will have zero interest. We will see what they say at HWOR. We will also be at HKB in September, it will be interesting to see what they say as well.
 

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We did a presentation last month at Highlands Inn and were offered the 660 pt/$13K/$0.84 deal as well. We had no intention of buying but wanted to hear what they had to say.

$13k is way more than I’d spend to gain the slight benefits on HPP. I’d maybe spend $1500 or so. But for $13000, I’d buy a couple of nice Hyatt resale weeks that I’d want to use, then take my chances with internal trading. Hands down.
 

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We just got off the phone with member services Portfolio and clarified that there is only 1 waitlist.

Interesting to hear them say there's one wait list. HRC wait list request numbers are a different format then HPP wait list request numbers, so not sure how Hyatt determines an HRC vs HPP owner's position on a single wait list.
 

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What they told us is that prior to 6 months out, there are 2 waiting lists - 1 for HPP and 1 for legacy - at 6 months out, there is only 1 waitlist.

I also asked the Manager/Director of Sales about being able to sell HPP points to someone other than Hyatt, and he advised that the HPP acts the same way as a deeded week as far as resale... that you can sell them, will them, etc... that you do not 'have' to sell them back to Hyatt.

They really have multiple stories floating out there on how this all really works, making it frustrating for new HPP people, legacy buying the bridge to HPP and us legacy folks.... we would love to see some concrete information coming from them... in writing! (Hey, we can wish - LOL!)
 

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What they told us is that prior to 6 months out, there are 2 waiting lists - 1 for HPP and 1 for legacy - at 6 months out, there is only 1 waitlist.

I also asked the Manager/Director of Sales about being able to sell HPP points to someone other than Hyatt, and he advised that the HPP acts the same way as a deeded week as far as resale... that you can sell them, will them, etc... that you do not 'have' to sell them back to Hyatt.

They really have multiple stories floating out there on how this all really works, making it frustrating for new HPP people, legacy buying the bridge to HPP and us legacy folks.... we would love to see some concrete information coming from them... in writing! (Hey, we can wish - LOL!)
Did they say what the wait list is for Hybrid owners?I can see if you only own 1 side there would need to be 2. But if you are hybrid we were told one. But if it's not in print there is no way to be totally sure. We have extensions of 2 Hyatt reps that know their stuff so will try and ask them. Hopefully they still work for Hyatt.
 

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They didn't say anything specific for hybrid owners... but most of the owners in the morning meeting were hybrid...
When you say "most of the owners in the morning meeting were hybrid", they were HRC owners that had already bought into HPP?
 
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