Las Vegas Shooting

[DaveNV]

I wonder if putting dogs to work to find amo/guns could help. They said the Las Vegas shooter was in the hotel a few days, of course the maids wouldn't know if anything was amiss. A dog at the airport picked up on my niece's luggage. She had been at target practice and the gun had been laying where her suitcase was placed in her SUV. That's all it took for the well trained airport pooch to single her luggage out at the San Francisco airport!

The shooter lived in the area. (Mesquite, NV, I believe.) He could easily have brought suitcase after suitcase of weapons to his room without detection. I heard on the news that the police found (I think) 23 weapons in the room. This wasn't a despondent lone wolf shooter who felt sad enough to be stupid. This was a calculated, murderous slaughter. The man knew exactly what he was going to do, and how he was going to do it. The shooting lasted something like four minutes. He used TRIPODS to stabilize his weapons to increase his accuracy. That is all completely beyond comprehension to me. And I have a lot of experience with handling weapons.

Read this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-mass-shooting-weapons.html

Dave

 

[DeniseM]

The shooter also has a home in the Dell Web subdivision in Reno. I saw his neighbors interviewed today, and they said that he told them he was a professional gambler and that he went back and forth between Reno and Las Vegas for gambling, and also gambled online. I wonder if he had a gambling problem/debts and blamed Las Vegas or Mandalay Bay for his problems.

 

[geist1223]

Please let's not get into a Gun Control Debate. Whether it is control of all firearms or just of specific types.

 

[DeniseM]

Folks - I deleted all of the posts debating gun control. I'm sorry, but as I already posted in this thread, Gun Control is a contentious social issue. I know it is an important current issue, but TUG is not the place for the debate.

Avoid posting about politics, religion, or contentious social issues

Unless directly related to timesharing, such discussions are prohibited in these forums, including TUG Lounge. We've been down that road before, it was ugly, and we are not going there again.

 

[clifffaith]

And the title for the thread is not historically accurate, either, so please change it to "modern" history, as many of the news outlets have, once they got schooled by historians.

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We've seen the reference to the shooting being the worst in "modern history" on the various news outlets, but no reference to which "not modern" shooting is in our history. If they are talking about casualties on the battlefield in the Revolutionary or Civil wars, IMHO that is a whole lot different than an idiot with a gun shooting at concert goers. Can someone tell me, is war time what they are referring to?

 

[Chrispee]

It’s a bit hypocritical that “thoughts and prayers” get thrown around TUG all the time, but meaningful discourse in the wake of a tragic event gets shut down.

I can agree that TUG can and should be a place of respite from religion, politics and contentious social issues, but all of us need to be sure to not be complacent in our non-online lives. Societal change is not facilitated via well-wishing and condolences.

 

[DeniseM]

There are Tuggers with STRONG OPINIONS on both sides of the issue - any "meaningful discourse" would de-evolve into a big fight. TUG is simply not the place for that.

 

[DeniseM]

Last warning - next inappropriate post and the thread is closed. (another post has been deleted)

 

[VegasBella]

Me and mine are safe. Yesterday was horrific.

Multiple people at my gym have been affected one way or another. One of my instructors' husband is a police officer and he was off duty at the concert with his brother. The brother was shot but is OK.
A friend of mine was flying home from a trip and her plane was diverted. She saw the chaos from the airplane.
One of the hockey coaches at UNLV was killed. My son's skating coach knew him as did others at the rink.

I had to explain to my 7 year old son what happened before I took him to school. I wanted him to hear it from me not a classmate or on the news. I warned him that some of his school friends may be affected. He's not young enough to simply shield him from this news - he will learn about it one way or another.

A friend mentioned how she received multiple emails acting as if nothing had happened - she's an event coordinator for a casino/hotel! People were emailing her demanding answers about their upcoming events... no sympathy, no pause, nothing. It was also frustrating to see conspiracy theories, oppression olympics, fake news, etc yesterday surrounding the shooting. Made me really very angry.

Our city is really hurting. But we are coming together #VegasStrong and stepping up to help each other out. Right now I believe 33 of the injured are critical. Locals came out and donated tons and tons of blood so they're at capacity now and they're turning people away. But the experts are stressing now that the need for blood will return in the weeks to come as many of the injured will undergo more surgeries.

I am planning to donate blood in a few weeks to help out with that (I'm under the weather so my blood wasn't safe to donate yesterday). Hubby and I donated money online to help with the victims fund since many victims' insurance won't cover (all) their medical costs. There's been 3.5 million raised so far and that's absolutely amazing! But I did the math and if it's divided equally between all those injured (527) and the families of the killed (59) then it amounts to only about $6k each. That might pay for a very basic funeral. That's it.

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I understand the desire to discuss meaningful issues. But TUG is very strict about banning any discussion about controversial and political issues. So I'm just going to say this... Thoughts and prayers are fine and welcomed. Donations are great! Money, blood, whatever you want to donate. But also please use your voice where it matters most (which isn't on TUG): directed at your political representatives.

 

[Talent312]

So, this is worst "shooting" in modern history, which makes...
-- Pulse Nightclub shooting, second (49 killed - 58 wounded);
-- Sandy Hook Elementary School, third (26 killed); and
-- Columbine High School, fourth (13 killed).

In terms of mass-murder, consider...
-- 9/11 - planes used as weapons (2,996 killed);
-- 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing (168 killed);
-- The deliberate 1990 Bronx nightclub fire (87); and
-- The 2016 Oakland warehouse fire (36).*
(*Involuntary manslaughter charges pending.)

Shocking, and yet, perhaps a facet of modern life?
.

 

["Roger"]

So, this is worst "shooting" in modern history, which makes...
The Pulse Nightclub shooting, second (49 killed/58 wounded)
The Sandy Hook Elementary School, third (26 killed).

But in terms of mass-murder, consider 9/11 where planes were used as weapons (2,996),
the deliberate 1990 Bronx nightclub fire (87), and 2016 Oakland warehouse fire (36).*

*Involuntary manslaughter charges are pending.

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You left out the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

 

[Talent312]

You left out the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

An oversight... just corrected.

 

[puppymommo]

We've seen the reference to the shooting being the worst in "modern history" on the various news outlets, but no reference to which "not modern" shooting is in our history. If they are talking about casualties on the battlefield in the Revolutionary or Civil wars, IMHO that is a whole lot different than an idiot with a gun shooting at concert goers. Can someone tell me, is war time what they are referring to?

I think what they are referring to is this:
http://fortune.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-not-worst-in-us-history/

 

[Patri]

Two people from my area were killed. The man lives about 30 miles north of here, the woman 30 miles south. Each was there with their spouse. So senseless and sad. A former co-worker and her husband were quoted in the paper. They were in LV on vacation. Were four blocks away. Did not know about the concert, or they would have been there, she said. They saw all the activity with police.

 

[Brett]

Two people from my area were killed.y with police.

two people in my area were injured.
gun control, politics, religion, evolution, climate change, government, cannot be mentioned here
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[amycurl]

We've seen the reference to the shooting being the worst in "modern history" on the various news outlets, but no reference to which "not modern" shooting is in our history. If they are talking about casualties on the battlefield in the Revolutionary or Civil wars, IMHO that is a whole lot different than an idiot with a gun shooting at concert goers. Can someone tell me, is war time what they are referring to?

Here's a good article that explains a lot of the incidents that are "left out" when referring to "worst shooting." They are *not* including Civil or Revolutionary war attacks. Because most of these were pre-WWII, news outlets have felt more comfortable using the term "modern history" as a qualifier for the Las Vegas attacks.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/2/16401510/las-vegas-shooting-deadliest

(Helpful if I include the link. *sigh*)

 

[AnnaS]

Speechless. My daughter-in-law's dad and uncle were in Vegas. Someone ran in the casino yelling "shooter" and everyone ran for their lives. Thank God they are okay. My prayers and thoughts go out to everyone involved. So, sad - no appropriate words.

 

[pedro47]

My prayers are with all the families that loss love ones in Vegas. This is a very sad story for our country.

 

[Conan]

gun control, politics, religion, evolution, climate change, government, cannot be mentioned here.

Evolution? Climate change?

Jeez.

 

[mjm1]

I attended an expo at the Sands Convention Center yesterday, and will again today, and everything flowed well. That is a couple miles north on the Strip from Mandalay Bay. There was definitely security present, but I didn't notice anything more than normal.

Best regards.

Mike

 

[Ty1on]

I attended an expo at the Sands Convention Center yesterday, and will again today, and everything flowed well. That is a couple miles north on the Strip from Mandalay Bay. There was definitely security present, but I didn't notice anything more than normal.

Best regards.

Mike

Visitors here, whether they came after the event or before it, have been fantastic, all understanding that this was a one-off event that shouldn't affect their visit. The MGM properties are a bit less understanding, it seems, as all shows @ MGM Grand went dark Monday night and all shows at Mandalay went dark Tuesday night. The Mandalay Bay show closure is actually understandable, because the Strip is still closed in front of it, making getting to the resort not impossible, but difficult.

 

[klpca]

Evolution? Climate change?

Jeez.

Anything that starts a fight, I suppose. It's probably a good thing to keep things sane here, honestly. I've seen things turn pretty nasty on other message boards. (Once on the "JustLabradors" board, lol).

 

[am1]

I put have put everything dark for sometime.

If I was in vegas this week I would avoid the strip and take a drive somewhere.

 

[Carol C]

It is certain many more would have died if there had been a silencer on his weapon. Concerts are loud and can mask the sound of gunfire which is often mistaken for fireworks or "part of the the show". Hopefully after that concert massacre in France and this tragedy in Vegas the concert promoters will dispense with special effects and pyrotechnics entirely. Festivals and concert venues must step up their security precautions...as should major highrise hotels. Very disturbing to see these events happen so often...we must NOT become numb and never accept this as somehow a "new normal"!

 

[Ty1on]

It is certain many more would have died if there had been a silencer on his weapon. Concerts are loud and can mask the sound of gunfire which is often mistaken for fireworks or "part of the the show". Hopefully after that concert massacre in France and this tragedy in Vegas the concert promoters will dispense with special effects and pyrotechnics entirely. Festivals and concert venues must step up their security precautions...as should major highrise hotels. Very disturbing to see these events happen so often...we must NOT become numb and never accept this as somehow a "new normal"!

Suppressors (there is no such thing as a silencer), do not work with automatic fire. The heat of rapid fire can turn a barrel white hot, and any suppressor on the market would melt or otherwise fail. The room was quickly detected not because of sound or flash, but because the smoke from firing set off the smoke alarm in the room.