Germanwings Plane Black Box Found As Mystery Surrounds Alps Crash

[HatTrick]

I don't think the Airbus can dump fuel like Boeing can. That's why the Jetblue a few years ago had to circle for hours with twisted landing gear before attempting to land. They didn't have that ability.

Of course they can. Dumping fuel is an environmental disaster so in the example of JetBlue it is better to burn than dump an oil slick into the Atlantic when the US East Coast is hanging out on the Beach / Shore.

[M]ost twin jet airliners ... such as the Boeing 737 (all models), the DC-9/MD80 and Boeing 717, the A320 family and various regional jet ("RJ") aircraft do not have fuel dump systems installed. In the event of an emergency, requiring a return to the departure airport, the aircraft circles nearby in order to consume fuel to get down to within the maximum structural landing weight limit, or, if the situation demands, simply lands overweight without delay. Modern aircraft are designed with possible overweight landings in mind, but this is not done except in cases of emergency, and various maintenance inspections are required afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dumping#Aircraft_fuel_dump

 

[Mr. Vker]

Of course they can. Dumping fuel is an environmental disaster so in the example of JetBlue it is better to burn than dump an oil slick into the Atlantic when the US East Coast is hanging out on the Beach / Shore.

Of course they can't. I should have posted relative link...see post above. Thanks to that poster for doing that for me.

Dumped fuel is actually not an environmental disaster. It evaporates quickly.

 

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The Germanwings Investigation Presses On - by Noah Gordon/ Global/ TheAtlantic.com

"Investigators have identified the three American passengers on the doomed flight, as well as more information about the co-pilot.

After the shock of a disaster, the world looks for answers. As such, more information has emerged over the last 24 hours about the identities of the victims—and the pilots—of the Germanwings plane crash on Tuesday in the French Alps..."

Eric Gaillard/Reuters


Richard

 

[SMHarman]

Of course they can. Dumping fuel is an environmental disaster so in the example of JetBlue it is better to burn than dump an oil slick into the Atlantic when the US East Coast is hanging out on the Beach / Shore.

[M]ost twin jet airliners ... such as the Boeing 737 (all models), the DC-9/MD80 and Boeing 717, the A320 family and various regional jet ("RJ") aircraft do not have fuel dump systems installed. In the event of an emergency, requiring a return to the departure airport, the aircraft circles nearby in order to consume fuel to get down to within the maximum structural landing weight limit, or, if the situation demands, simply lands overweight without delay. Modern aircraft are designed with possible overweight landings in mind, but this is not done except in cases of emergency, and various maintenance inspections are required afterwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dumping#Aircraft_fuel_dump

We'll there you have it neither the Boeing or Airbus single isles have or need fuel dump tech. However their multi isle 'craft do so when you say Boeing can and Airbus can't that is not exactly accurate either.

Of course they can't. I should have posted relative link...see post above. Thanks to that poster for doing that for me.

Dumped fuel is actually not an environmental disaster. It evaporates quickly.

So evaporate, and those VOC are not an environmental disaster? Not only is it cost but dumping fuel is bad for the planet. It's also why your Cars fuel system is better sealed for leaks these days and will throw an EVAP warning if the gas cap is missing.

 

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The Mystery of Flight 9525: A Locked Door, A Silent Pilot, and a Secret History of Illness - by Jamie Doward, Kim Willsher in Paris and Luke Harding in Montabaur/ World/ The Guardian.com

"When the Germanwings Airbus disappeared, Europe was united in grief. Then, as the troubling facts behind the crash emerged, shock and incredulity took over..."

Wreckage of the Germanwings Airbus A320 at the crash site near Seyne-les-Alpes, France. Photograph: Emmanuel Foudrot/Reuters


Richard

 

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Map: What Happened on the Germanwings Flight - Interactive/ International New York Times/ The New York Times.com

Nice Maps


Germanwings Pilot Andreas Lubitz Sought Treatment for Vision Problems Before Crash, Authorities Say - By Melissa Eddy, Nicholas Kulish and Nicola Clark

Related article with What We Know and What We Don't Know



Richard

 

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Data Recorder is Key to Ending Flight 9525 Speculation - by Keith Walker/ With AFP, RTE, REUTERS/ Euronews.com

"Speculation continues to surround Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot believed to have deliberately crashed Germanwings flight 9525, particularly about his mental health at the time the Airbus A-320 flew into a mountain...

...Meanwhile, Evan Cullen, president of the Irish Airline Pilots Association said he was not happy with media coverage of the crash.

“We still don’t know exactly what happened,” he told broadcaster Marian Finucane during an interview on RTE Radio One. “We have no technical report and we certainly don’t have a report from qualified accident investigators according to the international rules.”

When Finucane said it seemed “a little unfair” that Lubitz had been “found guilty more or less overnight,” Cullen explained: “Where I have the difficulty is that a country such as France, which signed up to the international conventions on accident investigation and doing it properly and scientifically, has allowed a magistrate jump to this conclusion without any technical report, without any sign-off from a technical expert. They have done all of this in the absence of the flight data recorder.”..."

Richard

 

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Germanwings Crash Raises Questions About Shifting Ideas of Pilot Fitness - by Erica Goode and Jad Mouawad/ World/ Europe/ International New York Times/ The New York Times.com

"Aviation agencies in Europe and the United States once banned all pilots from flying if they disclosed a mental illness to their employers.

But in recent years, bowing to advances in scientific understanding and a growing public awareness that common mental disorders like depression are treatable, regulators loosened those restrictions, allowing the use of certain antidepressants for a small number of pilots and permitting some pilots whose illnesses were mild to stay on the job. In doing so, agency officials said, they hoped to encourage pilots who were experiencing problems to come forward and seek treatment.

Now the crash of Germanwings Flight 9525 on Tuesday has raised questions about how well those policies work and whether airlines and regulators are doing enough to detect pilots who are too mentally ill to fly..."

Richard

 

[easyrider]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ubitz-girlfriend-was-expecting-his-child.html

It comes a day after an ex-girlfriend of the Germanwings pilot said he had been planning a spectacular gesture to make everyone "remember" who he was.
Maria, 26 (not her real name), told Bild newspaper that when she heard about the crash she remembered that he had said he was going do something "that would change the system" and "make everyone remember" him.

For what its worth.

Bill

 

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Germanwings Crash: Co-Pilot Was Treated for Suicidal Tendencies - Krisnadev Calamur & Bill Chappell/ The Two-Way/ npr.org

"Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps last week with 150 passengers on board, received treatment for suicidal tendencies for several years before he became a pilot, a German prosecutor says.

Christoph Kumpa, a spokesman for Duesseldorf investigators, says Lubitz "had been in treatment of a psychotherapist because of what is documented as being suicidal at that time."..."

Airplanes' contrails streak the sky close to where a Germanwings plane crashed last week, in Seyne les Alpes, France.
Thomas Lohnes/Getty Images


Richard

 

[Mr. Vker]

If a pilot has medical conditions involving the heart etc., is that protected information that requires self reporting? I think that type of information, serious mental illness etc. should be reported direct to airlines for evaluation. Self reporting is not reliable.

 

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French Eye Cockpit Entry, Pyschological Screening Rules - by Geir Moulson and Jamey Keaton/ Yahoo!News/ news.yahoo.com


"French aviation investigators are examining "systemic weaknesses" like cockpit entry rules and psychological screening procedures that could have led to the Germanwings plane crash — issues that could eventually change worldwide aviation practices..."

Gendarme Bruno Hermignies stands by a bulldozer clearing a path to the crash site near Seyne-les-Alpes, France, Monday, March 30, 2015. European investigators are focusing on the psychological state of a 27-year-old German co-pilot who prosecutors say deliberately flew a Germanwings plane carrying 150 people into a mountain, a French police official said Monday. (AP Photo/Claude Paris, Pool)

 

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Germanwings Crash: Lubitz Told Lufthansa of Depression - by Justin Huggler, Berlin/ Worldnews/ Europe/ Germany/ The Telegrapgh/ telegraph.co.uk

"The Alps crash co-pilot told officials at Lufthansa's flight training school that he had suffered from severe depression, the airline says.

Lufthansa has admitted for the first time that it knew Andreas Lubitz, the German co-pilot who deliberately crashed a passenger jet in the Alps, suffered from serious depression.

The airline had previously confirmed Lubitz had taken an extended break from training, but refused to say why..."

Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings airliner, competing in a Lufthansa marathon in 2013 Photo: Wolfgang Nass/BILD


Richard

 

[Passepartout]

Lufthansa has admitted that they are culpable. They've alerted their insurance carrier to set aside $300 million for damages, not including the $55,000 per passenger allocated for final expenses.

Jim

 

[Tia]

It's unfortunate that the system in place failed and he was allowed to continue to fly when he was not fit. Imagine the rules will change now, just a little too late.

 

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Video "Shows Cabin Chaos' in Seconds Before Germanwings Crash - by Henry Samuel and Rory Mulholland, Paris/ World News/ Europe/ The Telegraph/ telegraph.co.uk

" A mobile phone clip purportedly filming the final seconds inside the cabin of the doomed Germanwings airliner minutes before it crashed is ’genuine’, two European media insist.

French authorities initially firmly denied the existence of the clip, which allegedly relays in a “few seconds” scenes of chaos and passengers screaming “My God” in several languages. But they are now calling on anyone in possession of such a film to “hand it over to investigators”.

French magazine Paris Match and German daily Bild said the authenticity of the video is “unquestionable” and that it had been retrieved from the wreckage of last Tuesday’s crash by “a source close to the inquiry”.

The magazine’s journalists added they had seen the video. “We have checked and rechecked its authenticity,” a Paris Match spokesman told the Telegraph.

The phone had not survived the crash, but the memory card on which it was stored had, the two publications insisted.

“Its provenance leaves no room for doubt,” wrote Paris Match..."

A forensic expert works in a mobile laboratory near the site of the March 24 Germanwings plane crash Photo: Reuters


Richard

 

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Germanwings Passengers 'May Have Made Mobile Phone Calls' As Plane Crashed in Alps - by Henry Samuel, Rory Mulholland in Paris and Patrick Sawer/ WorldNews/ The Telegraph/ telegraph.co.uk

"French authorities recover several phones from Alps plane wreck amid row over mobile film of "cabin chaos" in final seconds of Germanwings flight and claims that "other recordings" exist.

Passengers may have made phone calls from the stricken Germanwings airliner that crashed in the Alps, it was claimed on Wednesday night, as a row erupted over the existence of mobile film footage showing the final seconds of cabin chaos.

French investigators on Wednesday revealed that they had gathered several mobile phones from the debris of the Airbus A320 brought down by co-pilot Andreas Lubitz after he locked himself in the cockpit, but that none had yet been "analysed"..."

Gendarmes and rescuers from the Gendarmerie High-Mountain Rescue Group working at the crash site of the Germanwings Airbus A320 (AFP)


Richard

 

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Lufthansa Faces Mounting Challenges as More Details of Germanwings Crash Emerge - by Jack Ewing and Nicola Clark/ Europe/ International New York Times/ The New York Times/ nytimes.com

FRANKFURT — Lufthansa was supposed to be celebrating the 60th anniversary of its postwar rebirth this month.

Instead, on Wednesday, the day of that anniversary, the German airline faced perhaps the worst crisis in its history after acknowledging that it had been aware that the co-pilot who deliberately crashed one of its planes in the French Alps last week, killing himself and the other 149 people on board, had a history of severe depression.

In Germany, the home country of nearly half of the victims, anger was increasingly directed toward the airline and its 48-year-old chief executive, Carsten Spohr, who only a week ago was boasting that Lufthansa had the best pilots in the world.

Mr. Spohr and Thomas Winkelmann, the chief executive of Germanwings, the low-cost subsidiary of Lufthansa that operated the plane that crashed, visited the French village of Seyne-les-Alpes, near the crash site, on Wednesday..."

The airline executives Carsten Spohr, left, and Thomas Winkelmann at a plane crash memorial in Seyne-les-Alpes, France. Jean-Pierre Clatot/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images


Richard

 

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Germanwings Crash: Second Black Box Found - From the New York Times


Richard

 

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Germanwings Crash: Second Black Box Found - From the New York Times


Richard

I apologize to those who tried to access the link from 'The Guardian' - I tried to do it from my cell phone and it did not work. I had to change the article to a new article from the New York Times which also has the info about the second black box.

When I get home from work, I'll try to see if I can post the article from 'The Guardian'


Richard

 

["Roger"]

I apologize to those who tried to access the link from 'The Guardian' - I tried to do it from my cell phone and it did not work. I had to change the article to a new article from the New York Times which also has the info about the second black box.

When I get home from work, I'll try to see if I can post the article from 'The Guardian'


Richard

Your wish is my command, Rich. This is the article in The Guardian that you intended to link to.

 

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Your wish is my command, Rich. This is the article in The Guardian that you intended to link to.

Thanks Roger. Appreciate your thoughtfulness.


Best regards,

Richard

 

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Germanwings Crash Co-Pilot Accelerated Jet's Descent: Investigators - From NBC News/ nbcnews.com

"PARIS — The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings jet repeatedly accelerated the plane, using the automatic pilot to descend the Airbus A320 into the Alps, France's air accident investigation agency said Friday.

The BEA said investigators had begun studying the black box data recorder from the plane, found at the crash site Thursday. An initial reading of the recorder indicates that First Officer Andreas Lubitz used the automatic pilot to put the plane into a descent and then repeatedly used it to increase the aircraft's speed..."

Richard

 

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Germanwings 'Black Box' Shows Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Sped Up Descent - by Laura Smith-Spark and Margot Haddad, CNN/ Europe/ cnn.com

"Marseille, France (CNN)Initial tests on the flight data recorder recovered from downed Germanwings Flight 9525 show that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz purposely used the controls to speed up the plane's descent, according to the French air accident investigation agency, the BEA.

The flight data recorder, or "black box," was found Thursday by recovery teams that have spent days since the March 24 crash scouring the mountainside in the French Alps where the plane went down...

...A female police officer digging by hand for clothes in a ravine that been searched previously found the flight data recorder Thursday afternoon about 8 inches (20 centimeters) below the surface, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin told reporters.

Usually white with florescent orange, this discovered recorder lived up to its name as a black box because fire had darkened it with ashes.

In addition, out of more than 2,000 DNA samples collected from the crash site, lab workers have isolated 150 DNA profiles, Robin told reporters..."

Richard

 

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What Video of the Germanwings Crash Could Reveal - by Adam Chandler/ Global/ TheAtlantic.com

"Over a week after the Germanwings crash, new threads continue to fuel the saga, further muddying an already untidy story. On Tuesday, Lufthansa disclosed that the airline had known of pilot Andreas Lubitz's struggles with depression. Details about the audio contents of the plane's blackbox have slowly leaked out over the past several days, and on Wednesday, reports emerged that the harrowing final seconds before the crash may have been captured on video.

Is the Video Authentic?..."

Wolfgang Rattay/Reuters/The Atlantic


Richard