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[OFFICIAL Vistana *2019* Maintenance Fees Thread]

DavidnRobin

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Congrats to David who is the first Tugger to report 2019 maintenance fees!

In addition to posting in this thread, please post your maintenance fees in our data base, provided by Nico. (Thank you Nico!)

CLICK HERE: MF Data Base

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2019 MF
WKORV DLX - $3271.34
SVN Fee: $151.04

2.52% increase in MFs

2018 was $3190.93 (2.22% increase over 2017)
2017 was $3121.50

FIRST!!! LOL

and my 10,000 post!
(side note. my 1st post was Denise’s 1000th, and my 1000th was Denise’s 10,000th post - is she at 100,000th yet? LOL)
 
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Congrats to Dave for being first!
 

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$2,640.90 MF

3.07% increase ($78.60) from previous year.
 

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WKORV North IV 2BR $2,640.90, same as OF.

WKORV OV 2BR $2,384.07
 

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I have recently realized that the notices for the HOA Board meetings give information about the upcoming annual fees. On the back of the letter announcing the HOA Board meeting for Vistana Viallges, is next yea's budget.

I always ignored the budget in the past, thinking I could never figure it out. But, I looked carefully this time and saw "operating expenses" and "reserves" listed. I suspect these will be rubber-stamped at the board meeting. So, the only component of annual fees that isn't already know is the state real estate taxes. (The HOA Board has no say over the state taxes.)

There was also a section saying the estimated remaining life of the elements of the physical plant (the roofs, the HVAC, etc). It also said how much the items were expected to cost to replace, and how much in replacement funds had been set aside.

It looks like there is a gold mind of information there. Unfortunately, I put my Board Meeting announcements in the recycle bin. :doh:But, it would be worth sharing our knowledge here and trying to figure out things such as whether replacements are adequately funded, whether bad debt is higher than last year, etc.

I did recall that the bad debt for my Vistana Village HOA was 9%, and I thought that was surprisingly high. I believe this was for Key West, although I also own Bella.

Upshot: Probably all of the annual fees for next year have already been announced, not including the real estate taxes.
 

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I have recently realized that the notices for the HOA Board meetings give information about the upcoming annual fees. On the back of the letter announcing the HOA Board meeting for Vistana Viallges, is next yea's budget.

I always ignored the budget in the past, thinking I could never figure it out. But, I looked carefully this time and saw "operating expenses" and "reserves" listed. I suspect these will be rubber-stamped at the board meeting. So, the only component of annual fees that isn't already know is the state real estate taxes. (The HOA Board has no say over the state taxes.)

There was also a section saying the estimated remaining life of the elements of the physical plant (the roofs, the HVAC, etc). It also said how much the items were expected to cost to replace, and how much in replacement funds had been set aside.

It looks like there is a gold mind of information there. Unfortunately, I put my Board Meeting announcements in the recycle bin. :doh:But, it would be worth sharing our knowledge here and trying to figure out things such as whether replacements are adequately funded, whether bad debt is higher than last year, etc.

I did recall that the bad debt for my Vistana Village HOA was 9%, and I thought that was surprisingly high. I believe this was for Key West, although I also own Bella.

Upshot: Probably all of the annual fees for next year have already been announced, not including the real estate taxes.
All that stuff with regard to the budget for SVV is a Florida requirement. That breakdown of useful life of capital expenditures is also based on Florida requirements,. I however don't understand why SVV doesn't include the real estate tax amount, both of our Orlando Marriott timeshares do. The board knows the amount, I don't know why they don't include it in the details in the estimated budget.

There is also at least one variance between the estimated budget that is included in that notice and the final one. The estimated budget will have the replacement reserve fee amount showing based on the ownership not voting to waive fully funding the reserves. So there is a high probability that the replacement reserve amount will reduce significantly when/if waiving of fully funding reserves passes at the annual meeting.
 

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Sheraton Vistana Resort
Unit week-Annual
Standard Two-Bedroom
Unit (1)
In my SVR Proposed Budget of Operating Expenses, Jan. 1, 2019,
what are Vistana Vacation Club Dues of $29.95 for?
Thank you.
 
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what are Vistana Vacation Club Dues of $29.95 for?
Perhaps this is some internal club that also allows you to book at Vistana Beach Club?
 
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Here the answer I got from Vistana:

Thank you for contacting Vistana Management, Inc.

For information purposes, the budget document that is approved yearly by the Board of Directors is determined for all owners at the particular property, not individually. As for the field in question (Vistana Vacation Club Dues), this total is not associated with the Vistana Signature Network (VSN) membership as this charge (VSN) is not part of the budget.

For inquiries regarding how your fees are determined and the budget is approved, it is recommended that you contact your Board of Directors directly at boardrelations@vistana.com. To ensure that requests submitted to the Board are properly addressed, it is essential that you provide your six digit contract number and Association name in all your communications with their representatives.

If we can be of further assistance, our hours of operation are:

Monday - Thursday 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern time
Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern time
800-729-8246 - Toll free
407-903-4670 - Local & International
407-418-7771 - Facsimile

Sincerely,
Association Management
 

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2019 MF
$1,203.22 Operating Assessment
$300.00 Replacement Reserves
$62.09 Estimated Real Estate Tax
= $1,565.31 total

This is compared to a 2018 MF of $1,543.15.

Total increase is $22.16 or 1.4%.
 

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SDO. Pleasantly surprised. No change (though for some reason the 1BR standard is 1 cent higher than 2018).

1BR Standard $669.48
1BR Premium $789.03
2BR $1,147.68
 

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2019 MF

1,341.53 Maintenance Fee
151.04 Membership Fee
1,492.57 Total


Didn't pay the "voluntary" ARDA ROC PAC contribution of $10.

Last year's MF's were $1358.29
 

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1,341.53 Maintenance Fee
151.04 Membership Fee
1,492.57 Total


Didn't pay the "voluntary" ARDA ROC PAC contribution of $10.

Last year's MF's were $1358.29
How many Home Options is this? I didn't think they actually sold units at Nanea, just enough points to book in to a certain unit size.
 

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How many Home Options is this? I didn't think they actually sold units at Nanea, just enough points to book in to a certain unit size.

That is correct and the actual cost per point went down 1.2% from last year so not sure about the statement that there was an increase.

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$133.92 Master Association Assessment
$283.41 Apartment Owners Assessment
$923.12 Vacation Ownership Assessment
$1340.45 Total


$151.04 VSN Membership Fee
$10.00 One Ohana Foundation & Trust (optional)


Why is the EOY MF more than double the annual MF?

Is the VSN Membership Fee charged annually on an EOY unit?
 
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Why is the EOY MY more than half the annual MF?
Some resorts charge an additional $30 fee for EOY ownerships.

Is the VSN Membership Fee charged annually on an EOY unit?
Yes, the VSN fee is charged every year. Even for EOY ownerships. This makes EOY ownerships rather expensive if you only own one week.
 

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Some resorts charge an additional $30 fee for EOY ownerships.


Yes, the VSN fee is charged every year. Even for EOY ownerships. This makes EOY ownerships rather expensive if you only own one week.

Yes, this is my first MF bill since owning Vistana. The extra fees are adding up. I hope Vistana and Marriott do integrate so I can stop paying for two trading accounts...assuming Marriott does not take anything away.
 

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So if $2640 for annual WKORVN listed above, why is EOY $360 more ie $1501 x2 = $3002. Shouldnt it be $150 for extra VSN fee but still $210 difference when you take this onto acct...why such a large discrepancy?

Does the $2640 not include the VSN fee?
 
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So if $2640 for annual WKORVN listed above, why is EOY $360 more ie $1501 x2 = $3002. Shouldnt it be $150 for extra VSN fee but still $210 difference when you take this onto acct...why such a large discrepancy?

Does the $2640 not include the VSN fee?

The $2,640 does not include the VSN fee.

To make it apples to apples we need to show ONLY the MF not, the PAC contribution or the VSN fee as the VSN fee does not apply to every contract and the PAC contribution is optional.
 

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The $2,640 does not include the VSN fee.

To make it apples to apples we need to show ONLY the MF not, the PAC contribution or the VSN fee as the VSN fee does not apply to every contract and the PAC contribution is optional.

Agree. VSN fees are not the same for everyone. Including them only leads to confusion - and inaccurate math when calculating % changes.


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Okay, I fixed mine.
 

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I know how much this news upsets the narrative that is trumpeted about by some, but it's true.

2019 MF at WKORVN are $2,640.90

2018 - $2,713.26

2017 - $2,721.75

2016 - $2,742.65

Three decreases in a row.

Some of your numbers include the VSN fee and therefore are not representative of the true MFs and the direction those MFs are going.

2018 - $2,713.26 includes $151.04 of VSN Membership Fee. Correct amount for 2018 - $2,562.22

2017 - $2,721.75 includes $145.60 of VSN Membership Fee. Correct amount for 2017 - $2,576.15

I'm unable to lay my hands on my 2016 information at this time.

Therefore the difference between 2018 and 2019 is a 3.07% INCREASE not a decrease. (Same as shown in Post #3 above).
 

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Oh come on, controller1 - A Lahaina timeshare sales person would never massage the numbers to support his agenda! ;)
 
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