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Can someone explain to me what an affiliated resort is (MarBrisa) versus a developed resort? What are the differences? Is MarBrisa not a good place to own because it is affiliated not developed? TIA
 

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Can someone explain to me what an affiliated resort is (MarBrisa) versus a developed resort?

Have you read the information in the Sticky - here. That should give some basic information.
 

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No what is Sticky? I tried to do a search but nothing came up.
 

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Have you read the information in the Sticky - here. That should give some basic information.
I read it. It is old and doesn't really answer my questions. I'm hoping there is someone else who can. Thanks
 

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There is also this

https://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/hilton-grand-vacation-club-timeshare-information.html

Scroll down just a little to the section titled "Resorts in the HGVC System"

Edited to add a big Thank You to the Tug members who created and have maintained all this information. I Favorited & Saved this article when I first started considering buying HGVC and, 1o months later, have referred to it more times than I can count.
 
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Can someone explain to me what an affiliated resort is (MarBrisa) versus a developed resort? What are the differences? Is MarBrisa not a good place to own because it is affiliated not developed? TIA

The biggest concern about buying an affiliate is the possibility of HGVC dropping it from the club leaving owners with just the underlying deed. For the affiliates that HGVC are actively selling retail, like Marbrisa, I can’t see them ever dropping it. It would be bad publicity for them with upset owners who were sold on HGVC, likely the biggest selling point, only to have HGVC pull the rug out from under them.

On site, Marbrisa looks no different than any other developed HGVC resort (HGVC branded). My Grand Pacific Palisades for comparison doesn’t have anything listed showing HGVC. However, I have 8400 HGVC Points if I elect to swap for my fixed week.

If interested in Marbrisa (which began as a Grand Pacific Resort), just confirm you are getting an HGVC week. I believe there are some old deeds that are still considered a Grand Pacific Resort.
 

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Here is what I just found on a link posted above. Awesome. It is not affiliated. I think it might have started that way but converted.

HGVC Developed & Managed Resorts

Carlsbad, California
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at MarBrisa

Breckenridge, Colorado
  • Valdoro Mountain Lodge [Limited Availability]

Captiva Island, Florida
  • The Cottages at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Harbourview Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation Bay Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation Beach Club at South Seas Island Resort (I, II & III) [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation House at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]]
  • South Seas Club at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]

Ft. Meyers, Florida
  • Seawatch On-the-Beach Resort

Hutchinson Island, Florida
  • Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Resort [Limited Availability]

Marco Island, Florida
  • Club Regency of Marco Island
  • Eagle's Nest Beach Resort
  • The Surf Club of Marco
  • The Charter Club of Marco Beach

Sanibel Island, Florida
  • Casa Ybel Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Hurricane House Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Sanibel Cottages Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Tortuga Beach Club Resort [Limited Availability]

Waikoloa, Hawaii
  • The Bay Club at Waikoloa Beach Resort

Las Vegas, Nevada
  • Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club

Orlando, Florida
  • Las Palmeras, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Anderson Ocean Club
  • Ocean 22 by Hilton Grand Vacation Club

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina
  • Ocean Oaks by Hilton Grand Vacation Club

Tuscany, Italy
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Borgo alle Vigne

Villamoura, Portugaly
  • Hilton Vilamoura Vacation Club [Limited Availability]
 

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1. Many of the resorts listed above as "managed" are still affiliates.
-- Plantation Beach Club at IRP is on the list and I know that it's an affiliate.

2. It's extremely rare for an affiliate to drop out - like 2x in 25 yrs.
-- Even if it happens, HGVC members retain their membership.

The primary affiliate issues are these:
1. Joining HGVC is optional, so it's an extra step and not automatic.
-- but since Marbrisa is run by HGVC, that's likely to be seamless.
2. Usually, you're pre-booked for your week and cancel to get the points.
3. Cancelling can usually be done online, but sometimes a call is needed.

When I bought an affiliate, an onsite HGVC rep helped me add it to my account.
My first cotact w-Hilton was a reservation confirmation for my 1st week.
It kind'a freaked me out until I realized what was happening.
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There is also this

https://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/hilton-grand-vacation-club-timeshare-information.html

Scroll down just a little to the section titled "Resorts in the HGVC System"

Edited to add a big Thank You to the Tug members who created and have maintained all this information. I Favorited & Saved this article when I first started considering buying HGVC and, 1o months later, have referred to it more times than I can count.
Thank you so much!! MarBrisa is not affiliated as someone thought
 

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Oops! I think that heading might be a typo. I own Bay Club, which is an affiliate but is managed by HGVC, and it is listed under that heading along with Marbrisa and others. I think that heading should read "Affiliated Resort, Managed by HGVC" as per the explanation further up:
Currently, there are 63 resorts listed below and grouped into one of three categories:
  • HGVC Developed** & Managed Resorts
  • Affiliated Resorts (Managed by HGVC)
  • Affiliated Resort (Not Managed by HGVC)
 

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One of the biggest issues with MarBrisa is the costs. The buy in may be lower, but the maintenance fees are pretty high compared to Vegas or Orlando. I know at one point, the activation fee was much more than most resorts. That may have changed, but when I was looking to buy, it was the case. If you are looking for just points, MarBrisa may not be the way to go. If you are looking to use it as your home resort and actually stay there, it’s a great resort in a great location.

As far as affiliates versus developed, there really is no difference. Some Tuggers, like @Panina, swear by their affiliate resorts. Others prefer the developed resorts. As someone said above, only 2 affiliates have left HGVC and at least one of them was member driven.
 

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1. Many of the resorts listed above as "managed" are still affiliates.
-- Plantation Beach Club at IRP is on the list and I know that it's an affiliate.

2. It's extremely rare for an affiliate to drop out - like 2x in 25 yrs.
-- Even if it happens, HGVC members retain their membership.

The primary affiliate issues are these:
1. Joining HGVC is optional, so it's an extra step and not automatic.
-- but since Marbrisa is run by HGVC, that's likely to be seamless.
2. You are pre-booked for your week. You must cancel to get the points.
3. Cancelling can usually be done online, but sometimes a call is needed.

When I bought an affiliate, an onsite HGVC rep helped me add it to my account.
My first cotact w-Hilton was a reservation confirmation for my 1st week.
It kind'a freaked me out until I realized what was happening.
.

Bay club joining hgvc is optional.

At bay club it works almost like hgvc developed resorts. If you are enrolled, the weeks are automatically converted to points. You can also borrow points like standard hgvc resorts. For bay club you have to request to use your home week if you do not want it converted to points.

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One of the biggest issues with MarBrisa is the costs. The buy in may be lower, but the maintenance fees are pretty high compared to Vegas or Orlando. I know at one point, the activation fee was much more than most resorts. That may have changed, but when I was looking to buy, it was the case. If you are looking for just points, MarBrisa may not be the way to go. If you are looking to use it as your home resort and actually stay there, it’s a great resort in a great location.

As far as affiliates versus developed, there really is no difference. Some Tuggers, like @Panina, swear by their affiliate resorts. Others prefer the developed resorts. As someone said above, only 2 affiliates have left HGVC and at least one of them was member driven.
Whereas I love my affiliates I never say never will they leave hgvc as it happened with others before. Therefore I believe if you get an affiliate, get one where either you want to go if it wasn’t part of hgvc or get a high demand week/area that also trades in Interval. My affiliates are on Marco Island and a new years week at Hutchinson Island thus if any of them left hgvc I would still be very happy having them. Meanwhile I enjoy the hgvc system.
 

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Another discrepancy in that list: Valdoro was developed by an independent developer, not HGVC, so technically it is an affiliate as well. However, HGVC started managing the resort early in their sales so it has been a HGVC property from almost day 1. But it does have some different rules, such as two separate Platinum seasons (summer and winter) -- owners of one don't have Home Week privileges in the other. They also have fixed weeks w/ automatic reservations.

Kurt
 

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RE the list in post #7.

Most of those resorts (but not all) are affiliates.
Most of the HGVC developed resorts (but not all) are missing from the list.
 

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Thank you so much!! MarBrisa is not affiliated as someone thought

In that same link you quote it gives examples of affiliate agreements and Marbrisa is one of the examples.
 

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Here is what I just found on a link posted above. Awesome. It is not affiliated. I think it might have started that way but converted.

HGVC Developed & Managed Resorts

Carlsbad, California
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at MarBrisa

Breckenridge, Colorado
  • Valdoro Mountain Lodge [Limited Availability]

Captiva Island, Florida
  • The Cottages at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Harbourview Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation Bay Villas at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation Beach Club at South Seas Island Resort (I, II & III) [Limited Availability]
  • Plantation House at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]]
  • South Seas Club at South Seas Island Resort [Limited Availability]

Ft. Meyers, Florida
  • Seawatch On-the-Beach Resort

Hutchinson Island, Florida
  • Plantation Beach Club at Indian River Plantation Resort [Limited Availability]

Marco Island, Florida
  • Club Regency of Marco Island
  • Eagle's Nest Beach Resort
  • The Surf Club of Marco
  • The Charter Club of Marco Beach

Sanibel Island, Florida
  • Casa Ybel Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Hurricane House Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Sanibel Cottages Resort [Limited Availability]
  • Tortuga Beach Club Resort [Limited Availability]

Waikoloa, Hawaii
  • The Bay Club at Waikoloa Beach Resort

Las Vegas, Nevada
  • Elara, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club

Orlando, Florida
  • Las Palmeras, a Hilton Grand Vacations Club

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Anderson Ocean Club
  • Ocean 22 by Hilton Grand Vacation Club

Hilton Head Island, South Carolina
  • Ocean Oaks by Hilton Grand Vacation Club

Tuscany, Italy
  • Hilton Grand Vacations Club at Borgo alle Vigne

Villamoura, Portugaly
  • Hilton Vilamoura Vacation Club [Limited Availability]

I didn't. realize that the Elara is an affiliate. I thought that HGVC bought a certain section of the building to make it part of the club.
 

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I didn't. realize that the Elara is an affiliate. I thought that HGVC bought a certain section of the building to make it part of the club.

At affiliates, HGVC management and membership is considered optional.
Elara is fully integrated into the HGVC system and lacks those attributes.
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I didn't. realize that the Elara is an affiliate. I thought that HGVC bought a certain section of the building to make it part of the club.

HGVC bought all of the unsold Elara out of Westgate Bankruptcy. I do not think it is an affiliate, but it did not start as an HGVC. They now manage the whole building, including the Westgate units, and they now are the only one selling Elara. But they did not want Westgate people to convert to HGVC as they did not give them that path. I do not know if that was a part of the deal or if they just figured they had a LOT of inventory to sell, as that is a huge building with a lot of unsold inventory.
 

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RE the list in post #7.

Most of those resorts (but not all) are affiliates.
Most of the HGVC developed resorts (but not all) are missing from the list.

So it sounds like some of the information in the "Developed and Managed by HGVC" is incorrect and needs updating/fixing?
 

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So it sounds like some of the information in the "Developed and Managed by HGVC" is incorrect and needs updating/fixing?

This is a volunteer organization. Do you wish to volunteer to do this?
 

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This is a volunteer organization. Do you wish to volunteer to do this?

LOL, I certainly don't mind, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the issue, as there was a lot of back and forth with the affiliate moniker.

But sure, I'd take a few stabs at it (probably get it wrong the first few times).

:)

Although from what I can tell, Maggie's post #10, seems to be that it's just the heading of the section that maybe needs to be changed?
 

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LOL, I certainly don't mind, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the issue, as there was a lot of back and forth with the affiliate moniker.

But sure, I'd take a few stabs at it (probably get it wrong the first few times).

:)

Although from what I can tell, Maggie's post #10, seems to be that it's just the heading of the section that maybe needs to be changed?


Update the list and get GT75 to update the sticky.

Affiliates are weird. Some people here advise people to avoid them at all costs, and some people think there are opportunities for better value via resale.

I myself ignore the Affiliate vs HGVC direct, provided you are NOT restricted from participating in HGVC. The only affiliates that may be an issue via resales are some resales of S CA GPR, and previous Westgate Elara deeds. Are there any other restrictions? Maybe we should just make sure that is clearly delineated.
 

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Update the list and get GT75 to update the sticky.

Affiliates are weird. Some people here advise people to avoid them at all costs, and some people think there are opportunities for better value via resale.

I myself ignore the Affiliate vs HGVC direct, provided you are NOT restricted from participating in HGVC. The only affiliates that may be an issue via resales are some resales of S CA GPR, and previous Westgate Elara deeds. Are there any other restrictions? Maybe we should just make sure that is clearly delineated.

Thank you, Sandy!

Yeah, I get confused by them too.
 
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