Renting Wyndham

[hjsweet2002]

Has Wyndham corporate cancelled Wyndham rentals?

 

[bnoble]

Any? Reportdely, yes. All? No.

 

[chapjim]

Has Wyndham corporate cancelled Wyndham rentals?

Wyndham is on a crusade to discourage owners from renting. Wyndham does this by making an owner an offer he can't refuse or, in extreme cases, shutting down the owner's account, etc.

In other contexts, Wyndham would be called a bully at the least, or a tyrant in the extreme. Here, since Wyndham wrote the rules and the rules prohibit "commercial use," Wyndham is acting within its authority.

 

[legalfee]

We have rented out ours through the HOA and our Yahoo / Facebook group for maintenance fees.

 

[Lovetovacation2]

Is this website for Only Corporate Wyndham Rentals that they need to rent or for owners who want to rent? https://www.extraholidays.com/

 

[bnoble]

Owners can book time and turn it over to Extra Holidays to rent on their behalf. Conventional wisdom is that it is rarely a good thing for the owner.

 

[CO skier]

Wyndham is on a crusade to discourage owners from renting. Wyndham does this by making an owner an offer he can't refuse or, in extreme cases, shutting down the owner's account, etc.

In other contexts, Wyndham would be called a bully at the least, or a tyrant in the extreme. Here, since Wyndham wrote the rules and the rules prohibit "commercial use," Wyndham is acting within its authority.

Another context would be that the automatic upgrades Wyndham introduced defeated the predatory practice of commercial renters (bullies) who scammed the system by booking armloads (or more) of premium 3 and 4 bedroom Presidential units at 13 months then using a loophole to cancel and rebook those units withing 60 days at half the cost of a studio or 1 bedroom.

How can anyone think Wyndham is a bully by introducing Owner Priority Booking to minimize commercial renting and maximize occupancy by owners who bought into a Vacation Club for their personal use?

Seems like the profiteers just have sour grapes because the changes have put more Club Wyndham owners and fewer "anybody" renters in Club units -- and killed the profits.

 

[chapjim]

Another context would be that the automatic upgrades Wyndham introduced defeated the predatory practice of commercial renters (bullies) who scammed the system by booking armloads (or more) of premium 3 and 4 bedroom Presidential units at 13 months then using a loophole to cancel and rebook those units withing 60 days at half the cost of a studio or 1 bedroom.

How can anyone think Wyndham is a bully by introducing Owner Priority Booking to minimize commercial renting and maximize occupancy by owners who bought into a Vacation Club for their personal use?

Seems like the profiteers just have sour grapes because the changes have put more Club Wyndham owners and fewer "anybody" renters in Club units -- and killed the profits.

I don't know about other owners but I couldn't book "armloads" of Presidential units. I ran out of PR points before I even got a handful of them. BTW, I booked them at fourteen months, not thirteen.

I actually enjoy the hyperbole in some of your posts. "Predatory," "bullies," "scammed the system," "armloads (or more)", etc. Very creative, albeit inapt.

No sour grapes here. I wasn't making enough of a profit to cry about. I don't have to spend hours searching for rentable reservations, and writing and responding to emails. Record keeping and preparing and filing tax returns will be a lot easier. I reduced the size of my account, which reduced my monthly maintenance fee by almost 50%. I ceased renting (at Wyndham's demand). I'm not on that sinful path. I'm on the righteous path of a Wyndham owner whose account is for personal use only.

I acknowledge that Wyndham is acting within its authority but still maintain that some of its actions in doing so are borderline tyrannical.

 

[ronparise]

Another context would be that the automatic upgrades Wyndham introduced defeated the predatory practice of commercial renters (bullies) who scammed the system by booking armloads (or more) of premium 3 and 4 bedroom Presidential units at 13 months then using a loophole to cancel and rebook those units withing 60 days at half the cost of a studio or 1 bedroom.

How can anyone think Wyndham is a bully by introducing Owner Priority Booking to minimize commercial renting and maximize occupancy by owners who bought into a Vacation Club for their personal use?

Seems like the profiteers just have sour grapes because the changes have put more Club Wyndham owners and fewer "anybody" renters in Club units -- and killed the profits.

Like chapjim I agree that Wyndham is acting within their authority now taking action to minimize renting, and Wyndham acted within their authority when they forced me out of the system

Was I bullied??
What is a bully?? A bully is a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable. And thats exactly how I was treated. And like any bully, they backed down when I stood up to them.

 

[Rolltydr]

Like chapjim I agree that Wyndham is acting within their authority now taking action to minimize renting, and Wyndham acted within their authority when they forced me out of the system

Was I bullied??
What is a bully?? A bully is a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable. And thats exactly how I was treated. And like any bully, they backed down when I stood up to them.

Wyndham wanted you to cease and desist with your rental business.
You stopped renting.
Who backed down?

 

[Jan M.]

Wyndham wanted you to cease and desist with your rental business.
You stopped renting.
Who backed down?

Renting had nothing at all to do with why Wyndham was looking at Ron.

 

[Rolltydr]

That’s correct. It was other, shall we say unethical business practices that some would call working the system? Point being, Ron is no longer in business. Wyndham is. But, sure. Wyndham backed down.

 

[paxsarah]

Wyndham wanted you to cease and desist with your rental business.

As Ron has said many times, they essentially made him an offer he couldn't refuse - after he stood up to their initial demands. Wyndham certainly backed down from the stance they originally took with him, and he obviously came out of the situation just fine with that settlement (which only came because didn't back down). Because as Ron also said many times, he knew he wasn't in that game permanently, so the demise of the rental business was already something he expected. By the time he was done, it was less of a rental business and more an attempt to divest of all the contracts he had accumulated.

 

[bnoble]

And maybe we don't have to re-litigate this whenever someone says his name three times. Maybe.

 

[Rolltydr]

I feel there should be a website praiseron.com!

 

[bnoble]

That’s not it at all. But some people insist on having the same argument over. And over. And over. And over.

In the immortal words of The Rock: it doesn’t matter who got the better of whom, who was right, or who was wrong. Wyndham does what they do, and we try to get what we want within those (changing) rules. And if we don’t think we can do that anymore, we get out.

 

[jules54]

Too once more repeat something that has been said so often when I bought into Wyndham(Fairfield) and upgraded and bought more points the rules were different. Renting your points or booked reservations was suggested and encouraged To recoup your yearly maintenance fees. Rolling points together and purchasing more points to get to a higher status of VIP so an owner could find more availability for both themselves and for reservations to rent out. That is what drove the desire to purchase more points. Then when Wyndham wanted to changed the rules they did so. Which some folks insist the rules that already excisted were enforced. In the last several years Wyndham has only taken away and never given anything in return to replace. These changes have no effect on largest percentage of the owners because they own much smaller amounts of points and are no level of VIP. It does still effect owners who have paid their maintenance fees year after year for 10’s of thousands of dollars. Wyndham Customer service is nonexistent. And still to this day the sales department is still telling owners they can rent their points/reservations. Now corporate is just as unethical as the sales department so why to go Wyndham.

 

[CO skier]

That’s correct. It was other, shall we say unethical business practices that some would call working the system? Point being, Ron is no longer in business. Wyndham is. But, sure. Wyndham backed down.

We will never, of course, get insight into Wyndham's interpretation of events. And on TUG we will get multiple versions of one side of the story depending on the day of the week.

It dosent make any difference, whether they have the right or not. I didnt think they had a right to suspend my accounts and force me out of the club... Basically they dared me to sue them. I didnt have the money or inclination to do that...It was like negotiating with Tony Soprano..so I settled, on their terms

my point is even if you have the right, It you probably dont have the cash to fight for it

 

[CO skier]

I actually enjoy the hyperbole in some of your posts. "Predatory," "bullies," "scammed the system," "armloads (or more)", etc. Very creative, albeit inapt.

It was you who introduced hyperbole about "bullies" and "tyrant in the extreme" into this thread.

 

[CO skier]

No sour grapes here.

... still maintain that some of its [Wyndham's] actions in doing so are borderline tyrannical.

I cannot recall the term for this kind of contradiction.

 

[Rolltydr]

We will never, of course, get insight into Wyndham's interpretation of events. And on TUG we will get multiple versions of one side of the story depending on the day of the week.

Hmmm. Did he settle twice? First on their terms and later after they backed down?

 

[chapjim]

I cannot recall the term for this kind of contradiction.

tyrannical -- "exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way"

No contradiction at all.

 

[billymach4]

Like chapjim I agree that Wyndham is acting within their authority now taking action to minimize renting, and Wyndham acted within their authority when they forced me out of the system

Was I bullied??
What is a bully?? A bully is a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable. And thats exactly how I was treated. And like any bully, they backed down when I stood up to them.

@ronparise where can I read about your journey with Wyndham. Been in and out ot TUG for years. Mostly follow the Marriott trend. Would like to read about your experience.

 

[billymach4]

FWIW I just tried to read some older threads on this subject matter. Not getting the acronyms and other abbreviated language.

 

[rickandcindy23]

These threads are about Wyndham attacking owners who are renting, and when owners want to state their displeasure on TUG, because this is usually a safe place, we get bullied by TUG members. We cannot even dialogue on TUG about a big corporation who is indeed bullying without vitriol from TUG members who think we are breaking a rule, a rule that was added to the Wyndham website arbitrarily.