Last minute rental section proposed change to 65 days vs 45 days

[carmena79]

I agree 65 days would be helpful

 

[mentalbreak]

No opinion. Never had even a question let alone a rental from that forum

Wow, really? I have noticed your CMV postings there, but the timing/circumstances just hasn’t ever worked for us. I enjoy the area and have fond childhood memories of trips to Wisconsin.

 

[JoeWilly]

I'd like to see the date at 65 days too. As tschwa2 mentioned the cut off to deposit with full trading power unrestricted deposit is really 60 days or greater. Changing the date to 65 days would help avoid late deposits with restricted trading power.

 

[alwysonvac]

Based on previous LMR discussions, it‘s my understanding they don’t want the # of ads in the forums to increase. This will cause more work for the volunteers. They want folks to use the LMR in the Marketplace.

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It is provided for owners to recover some of their cost on reservations that they can't use, and are too late to cancel.

 

[rickandcindy23]

The entire point is that Wyndham owners are the ones using this the most. This would put other resort systems on the LM rental board. I haven't had much luck renting anything in the LM rentals, but I always think it is there mostly for Wyndham owners to rent inventory. And probably still at a profit, frankly, knowing what little it costs me for last-minute reservations. Definitely an advantage for Wyndham owners.

I don't use it much, so it's of little use to me. A lot of cheapskates try to get the price reduced anyway. That is truth.

 

[Grammarhero]

I agree with extending to 65 days. Additionally, I think the price should increase $5/day every year or $35/week. Inflation and MF keep rising. So this year should be $120/day or $840/year.

 

[am1]

I think 64 days is better and $6/day. Joking aside I always thought room size should play a role in price. Objective compared to location or time of year.
Effort would be better served to lobby your timeshare company or exchange company to change their policies.

 

[TUGBrian]

certainly not interested in changing it to another odd number of days etc that makes moderation more difficult. 60 days or 2 months seems like a reasonable extension to consider.

 

[dioxide45]

certainly not interested in changing it to another odd number of days etc that makes moderation more difficult. 60 days or 2 months seems like a reasonable extension to consider.

I think the issue here is that going to 60 days doesn't really change the dynamic of how the forum would be able to be utilized. Effectively there is no difference between 45 and 60 for most weeks. 65 days was proposed because it provides a four to five day window for those with 60 day cancellation policies to try to rent their week in LMR. Just going to 60 days does nothing for that.

The allowable dates are in big bold red at the top of the forum. So I am not sure how an odd number of days makes it more difficult to moderate anymore than 45 days does. Is any moderator actually doing the math each time? Even at 60 days, it isn't as simple as two months since some months have 30 days, some have 31 and then there is that pesky February.

 

[CO skier]

Please excuse my naivete, but I do not understand the point.

There is the Last Minute Rental (LMR) and there is the Rental Forum.

LMR is restrictive on the offering price ($800/week) within 45 days of arrival.

There is no restriction for the Rental Forum.

So if you want to offer a rental at the LMR restrictive pricing at 65 days, why not just advertise it in the Rental Forum more than 45 days in advance?

 

[Fried_shrimp]

I don't use it much, so it's of little use to me. A lot of cheapskates try to get the price reduced anyway. That is truth.

I don't see an issue with attempting to negotiate. When you buy a new car do you just pay sticker price? Did you negotiate when you bought the house you're in? Just because someone is trying to get the best bang for their buck doesn't make them a cheapskate. Frugal, maybe, but there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Fried_shrimp]

certainly not interested in changing it to another odd number of days etc that makes moderation more difficult. 60 days or 2 months seems like a reasonable extension to consider.

Clearing out old posts would be helpful as well if possible. There are posts all the way back to 2013 and the thread has 462 pages in it.

 

[CPNY]

Clearing out old posts would be helpful as well if possible. There are posts all the way back to 2013 and the thread has 462 pages in it.

Lol does it really matter? Are you starting at the first page then clicking next page 462 times?

 

[CPNY]

I don't see an issue with attempting to negotiate. When you buy a new car do you just pay sticker price? Did you negotiate when you bought the house you're in? Just because someone is trying to get the best bang for their buck doesn't make them a cheapskate. Frugal, maybe, but there is nothing wrong with that.

Most owners posting in LMR for less than 800 bucks are already taking a loss. 800 for a week vacation is great deal as it is

 

[Makai Guy]

Please excuse my naivete, but I do not understand the point.

There is the Last Minute Rental (LMR) and there is the Rental Forum.

LMR is restrictive on the offering price ($800/week) within 45 days of arrival.

There is no restriction for the Rental Forum.

So if you want to offer a rental at the LMR restrictive pricing at 65 days, why not just advertise it in the Rental Forum more than 45 days in advance?

Yes, those wishing to offer rentals outside the LMR restrictions may post them in the Timeshares for Rent section of the Timeshare Marketplace. But, although reachable from the blue navigation bar at the top of the TUGBBS forums this is not part of the TUGBBS forums. It is a traditional classified ad section in a separate part of the TUG Site, just like the Resort Reviews and a few other things. Its existence goes back even further in time than the TUGBBS forums.

The LMR forum was later added to the TUGBBS forums as special purpose, short time window, forums intended to help owners get at least some benefit from owned intervals that are near expiration and are about to be lost. It eventually was split into separate LMR Offered and Wanted forums to avoid confusion in the listings.

 

[dioxide45]

Please excuse my naivete, but I do not understand the point.

There is the Last Minute Rental (LMR) and there is the Rental Forum.

LMR is restrictive on the offering price ($800/week) within 45 days of arrival.

There is no restriction for the Rental Forum.

So if you want to offer a rental at the LMR restrictive pricing at 65 days, why not just advertise it in the Rental Forum more than 45 days in advance?

To be clear though, in the way most think of "forum", there is no "Rental Forum". There is the TUG Marketplace for rentals that don't fit into the 45 day $800 restrictions of the LMR Forum.

 

[hjsweet2002]

LMR helps people like us on fixed income. 65 days may allow me to rent. It would give us more flexibility. The dollar limit helps us also. We appreciate those who share there blessings.

 

[dioxide45]

LMR helps people like us on fixed income. 65 days may allow me to rent. It would give us more flexibility. The dollar limit helps us also. We appreciate those who share there blessings.

I am not sure the proposed 65 days is intended to help renters but more so to help a certain subset of owners offer weeks that would soon be hitting the cancellation penalty date.

 

[rickandcindy23]

Gee, I don't care, I guess. I so rarely am stuck in the position of having to give up a week because it's close to expiration. Exchanges, yes, but rentals, no. The only thing I feel stuck with right now is Shell Points, and so I advertised various dates in Wisconsin on go-koala.com and Redweek. Hoping to rent those for my cost to get my points used, so I can deed them back to Wyndham. The cost on those would never fit into the price on this forum. That is why I am getting rid of them.

 

[TUGBrian]

I think the issue here is that going to 60 days doesn't really change the dynamic of how the forum would be able to be utilized. Effectively there is no difference between 45 and 60 for most weeks. 65 days was proposed because it provides a four to five day window for those with 60 day cancellation policies to try to rent their week in LMR. Just going to 60 days does nothing for that.

The allowable dates are in big bold red at the top of the forum. So I am not sure how an odd number of days makes it more difficult to moderate anymore than 45 days does. Is any moderator actually doing the math each time? Even at 60 days, it isn't as simple as two months since some months have 30 days, some have 31 and then there is that pesky February.

yes, because folks simply dont read that date.

 

[TUGBrian]

I wasnt aware the extra 5 days was only to benefit a subset of renters vs everyone. Im not a terribly large fan of that.

the goal of the LMR forum is for folks to recoup some money for a stay they cant cancel and are going to lose out on if its not rented. It is not intended for a rental outlet for rental businesses or megarenters etc.

while those folks are welcome to utilize the forums under its rules, I am not inclined to go out of my way to modify the forum to cater to that situation. That is what the marketplace is for.

 

[dioxide45]

yes, because folks simply dont read that date.

I get that. But it doesn't make it harder for a moderator to discern if something is outside the dates or not. My points is that right now 45 days isn't anymore of an even date than 65 days is. Or even 60 days. The moderator has to look at the date on the forum header to determine if something is outside the guidelines. I actually think 60 days will lead to more unqualified listings because people will simply back up two months from the date. Example would be today someone posting a listing for June 30th, but that is technically 61 days from now.

 

[bnoble]

Each posted rental is more work for a moderator, who must check that it complies. A simple rule ("one month") might be easier for a poster to follow than a slightly more complex one ("45 days")---if so, the simpler the rule the more posters will be discouraged from posting clearly incorrect rentals.

Then again, it's probably the case that some people just won't read what's written, no matter how simple it is.

 

[bnoble]

That's true---and I'd be fine with a further restriction on LMR, though I don't know off the top of my head what it would be. IMO, the fact that LMR is broken isn't a compelling reason to break it further.

I've been thinking about this in light of the fact that LMR has mostly been a business channel for a handful of TUGgers. One possible change if we collectively think that's not an appropriate use of LMR: It might be reasonable to have some modest limits on how many LMRs an individual TUG Member can post in a given month/quarter/year/whatever.

Of course, a lot of people might think it is perfectly fine to let LMR continue to go the way it is going. If so, that's fine too.

(As an aside, this way of using LMR isn't a new phenomenon. There used to be a few UDI owners at Christmas Mountain Village who churned reservations much the same way back in the day.)

 

[Grammarhero]

Edited: decision has already been made, and no need for me to poke at scabs.