So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer?
Yes.Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?
IMHO there is no downside buying resale unless you want or need VIP status. The upside is the thousands of dollars you save buying resale. Is there a reason you are looking to buy ACCESS vs a lower cost maintenance fee deeded ownership?So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?
Thanks,
Mike
The average cost on a nightly basis for that week stay $232 per night with National Harbor or $319 a night owning CWA. The extra $90 per night to own CWA can be expensive if you travel 3-4 weeks a year. Also keep in mind the limited availability of CWA inventory at the 13 month APR.Your maintenance fees determine what a stay costs you. Say you wanted to book a 3 bedroom deluxe in a prime week in 2021 at Bonnet Creek which is 308,000 points. I'm going to use the resale program fee of $0.64 per thousand points. So if you owned at Bonnet Creek that reservation would cost you $2137.52 in maintenance fees. With CWA points it would cost $2233. With Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 it would cost $1727.88. If you owned at National Harbor that week in the 3 bedroom deluxe prime week at Bonnet Creek would cost you $1629.32.
Here's a link to the maintenance fee history spreadsheet. Go to the bottom of the spreadsheet and click on Master UDI. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RUiHuxPdShXWp3OM2PiXf1_WDzHiv3Ickz1_o5ssiv4/edit?usp=sharing
So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?
Thanks,
Mike
I would try to find out how much if any inventory Access has at Park city. Like others have stated at 10 months availability is no problem . The additional cost of $90 per night to book other resorts owning Access can be costly.Thanks, all. The reason I thought CWA would be good is because I might want to get into a high demand place like Park City during ski season. Any thoughts?
It might be helpful to know more. Do you need a large unit (3 or 4BR)? Are you thinking of one specific holiday week (e.g. Christmas/New Years?) If those are true, then having ARP at this resort might be important. However, if you are good with a 2BR or smaller, and somewhat flexible about when you go during the season, then you may well not need ARP.Thanks, all. The reason I thought CWA would be good is because I might want to get into a high demand place like Park City during ski season. Any thoughts?
Exactly why I posted to check if Park City had any inventory available to even book 13 ARP with Access.For the most part the access points are built with the trimmings of inventory, hence the higher maintenance fees. I would not expect that there would be a lot of prime inventory for peak weeks in the trust, I would assume there’s more inventory for peak times tied up in the select deeds.
I see plenty of inventory to book at park city with access. I’m looking at March 25, 2022 checkin and I see everything from a 1 BR deluxe to a 4BR pres.Exactly why I posted to check if Park City had any inventory available to even book 13 ARP with Access.
You get ARP, Advance Reservation Priority, where you're deeded. Sometimes you may have a second resort, a reciprocal resort. Example: We have two deeds at National Harbor. One has Old Town Alexandria as a reciprocal resort and the other doesn't.
We own some Club Wyndham Access points because why not. However it's just a small amount. If you don't need the three and four bedroom units at the most popular resorts in prime high demand times you can usually find what you want at 10 months or less.
A few days ago I used this example to explain to someone how important maintenance fees are.
Bonnet Creek maintenance fees in 2017 were $5.63 per thousand points. $5.87 in 2018. $6.16 in 2019. $6.22 in 2020. $6.30 in 2021. The increases at Bonnet Creek aren't nearly as high as they were for CWA points. CWA points from 2017-2021 were $5.60, $5.76, $5.99, $6.28 and $6.61. Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 were $4.10 in 2012 and now nine years later are only $4.97.
If you bought directly from Wyndham the minimum program fee is $185 or $0.66 per thousand points if you have enough points to be over the minimum program fee. Resale is $165 or $0.64.
Your maintenance fees determine what a stay costs you. Say you wanted to book a 3 bedroom deluxe in a prime week in 2021 at Bonnet Creek which is 308,000 points. I'm going to use the resale program fee of $0.64 per thousand points. So if you owned at Bonnet Creek that reservation would cost you $2137.52 in maintenance fees. With CWA points it would cost $2233. With Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 it would cost $1727.88. If you owned at National Harbor that week in the 3 bedroom deluxe prime week at Bonnet Creek would cost you $1629.32.
Here's a link to the maintenance fee history spreadsheet. Go to the bottom of the spreadsheet and click on Master UDI. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RUiHuxPdShXWp3OM2PiXf1_WDzHiv3Ickz1_o5ssiv4/edit?usp=sharing
I think you’re confusing rentals with UDI Points contracts. The weeks you’re seeing are rentals.If I was to purchase a deed at Bonnet Creek or Grand Desert am I only able to use them on their use weeks or can I exchange them for points as well? If I can exchange them for points how do I find out what the point conversion is? A little confused because the ads that I see only advertise weeks only or points only but I would think you should be able to convert your week into points.
I think you’re confusing rentals with UDI Points contracts. The weeks you’re seeing are rentals.
I’ve never seen a Bonnet Creek or Grand Desert week ownership contract for sale.
You only want to buy a UDI Points contract at Bonnet Creek or Grand Desert.
When purchasing Wyndham timeshares, you might run across (A) straight points contracts, which can be Club Wyndham Access or deeded at a particular resort, or (B) converted fixed weeks, which may refer to a particular week and unit but also reference a points value - the underlying deed is a fixed week, but a previous owner converted the week with Wyndham to points, and then there are (C) fixed or float weeks that haven't been converted to points. It looks like the example you posted is a float week not converted to points, but I'm not very familiar with the Hawaiian resorts and how they were originally sold.
Those fixed or float weeks can be converted to points, but it's not without a hassle. Last year sometime Wyndham came out with a promo to convert fixed/float weeks to points for free, though it seemed the process was lengthy. Prior to that promo, if I recall correctly the consensus was that Wyndham wouldn't really do a conversion without an accompanying direct purchase. Without that conversion, the fixed/float weeks don't really interact with the Wyndham points system at all.
Here is a good Grand Desert deed from a reputable seller on Ebay:
Wyndham Grand Desert- 249,000 Points | eBay
Wyndham Points can be used at any Wyndham location! Wyndham Grand Desert. 249,000 Club Wyndham Plus Points, Allocated April 1st of every year. WYNDHAM WILL TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS TO COMPLETE THEIR END OF THE TRANSFER.www.ebay.com
If I was to purchase a deed at Bonnet Creek or Grand Desert am I only able to use them on their use weeks or can I exchange them for points as well? If I can exchange them for points how do I find out what the point conversion is? A little confused because the ads that I see only advertise weeks only or points only but I would think you should be able to convert your week into points.
Wyndham is mainly a points based system now. There are still some fixed weeks owners out there but fewer and fewer these days. So for a new owner it's best to think of it as just points.
You can use whatever points you own to book any resort that has availability. At 10 months or less points are points as we say here on TUG so it doesn't matter where you own or if your points are deeded at a specific resort or you have CWA, Club Wyndham Access, points. Prior to the 10 month mark you need to have ARP, Advance Reservation Priority, to book a resort. You get that by owning at a specific resort or with CWA points. Your ARP with CWA is only good on the inventory that's in CWA and not all inventory is in it nor are all resorts.
Use this link to look at the maintenance fees for the different resort. Click on Master UDI at the bottom of the blank spreadsheet to see all the numbers. These figures are without the program fee which is at the bottom of the spreadsheet. Use the without Plus Partners program fee as you don't get Plus Partners with resale. Don't worry about having Plus Partners it's not that big of a deal to be worth spending the money to buy developer points compared to what you pay for resale points. Maintenance fees are important because they determine what a stay costs you.
Use this second link to the directory to see the point charts for the different resorts.
Club Wyndham Plus Member's Directory 2018-2019
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The attached picture is the weeks numbers for 2021 and will help you figure out the weeks when you're looking at the point charts for the different resorts.
You are amazing! This is so incredibly helpful! I put a bid on a listing with the lowest maintenance fees I could find. Hopefully I'll be enjoying timeshare ownership soon!
Here is a good Grand Desert deed from a reputable seller on Ebay:
Wyndham Grand Desert- 249,000 Points | eBay
Wyndham Points can be used at any Wyndham location! Wyndham Grand Desert. 249,000 Club Wyndham Plus Points, Allocated April 1st of every year. WYNDHAM WILL TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS TO COMPLETE THEIR END OF THE TRANSFER.www.ebay.com
You are amazing! This is so incredibly helpful! I put a bid on a listing with the lowest maintenance fees I could find. Hopefully I'll be enjoying timeshare ownership soon!
Watch out for the low feedback bidders they are usually shills that run the price up. Private identity auctions I recommend staying away from as its always good to see feedback of who is bidding price up . The higher the bidders positive feedback is the better. Also look at how many other items the bidder has bid on. Shill bidders most of the time have 100% of their bidding on one auction or only one sellers item.If you're bidding on eBay here's a tip. Don't run up the price by putting in early bids. The winning bid happens in the last few seconds.