Marriot Vacation Clubs Resorts to move to Hotel Categories

Dear MVCI TUGers


In response to MVCI owner requests, Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards working to achieve a tighter brand integration. For example, as of June 30, 2008 last year, Marriott Rewards began counting MVCI nights towards qualifying for the next level of Marriott Rewards Elite status. Whether you stayed at your home resort or on exchange through Interval International AND presented your Marriott Rewards ID at check-in/check-out, the nights were counted and reflected in your online Marriott Rewards Account Activity.


Today, a decision was made to achieve another milestone, integration of Marriott Vacation Club properties into Marriott Rewards Categories. Here is the announcement posted on Marriott Rewards Insiders, May 11, 2009 by an Insiders staff member:


Marriot Vacation Clubs Resorts to move to Hotel Categories

Greetings, Marriott Rewards Insiders!

On July 16, Marriott Vacation Club resorts will move to hotel categories. This means that the number of points required to stay at a Marriott Vacation Club will change: the points required will be increasing.

As your Marriott Rewards liaison, my number one priority is to give all Marriott Rewards members and Insiders the straight facts.

A complete list of the Marriott Vacation Club resorts and the new category levels will be published on Marriott.com later tonight. Watch the program news section of Marriott Rewards (https://www.marriott.com/rewards/learn/prgnews.mi) for more information.

This move does not change Marriott Vacation Club's participation in No Blackout Dates. If you own a Marriott Vacation Club timeshare, this change does not impact the number of points you receive in trade for your week.

Please note, the changes don't take effect until July 16th. We will honor any reservations booked before July 16th at the current point amount.

Thanks all,

Andrew


Marriott Rewards Insiders is an online travel community hosted by Marriott for Marriott Rewards members. While there is no cost to join Marriott Rewards Insiders, you will need a Marriott Rewards member ID in order to register and login before viewing or posting. Here is the URL:

http://www.marriottrewardsinsiders.marriott.com

Be sure to check-out ongoing discussion among several MVCI owners under the discussion thread titled, MVCI Plea for Help.

Regards

TJCNewYork

TJCNewYork said:

Dear MVCI TUGers


In response to MVCI owner requests, Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards working to achieve a tighter brand integration. For example, as of June 30, 2008 last year, Marriott Rewards began counting MVCI nights towards qualifying for the next level of Marriott Rewards Elite status. Whether you stayed at your home resort or on exchange through Interval International AND presented your Marriott Rewards ID at check-in/check-out, the nights were counted and reflected in your online Marriott Rewards Account Activity.

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People have been reporting getting credit on the TS stays for a while but I hadn't seen anything offical before.

Thanks for the heads up.

Bill4728 said:

People have been reporting getting credit on the TS stays for a while but I hadn't seen anything offical before.

Thanks for the heads up.

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Thanks Bill,

Good for them. I first noticed MVCI nights showing up November 2008 following a late October stay at MIP. Curious, I double-checked Account Activity for April/May 2008 at MIP and didn't see the nights posted. The discrepancy prompted a call to Owner Services. My rep, Corey thought I was from a different planet. Very reluctantly, Corey transferred me to an Owner Services Manager, Maureen who confirmed an internal memo, dated June 30, 2008 that MVCI nights would be counted with the condition that the owner must present his/her Marriott Rewards member ID at check-in or check-out in order to receive the nights credit on the MR account. Maureen also confirmed that she was not able to pinpoint any external communications to owners on this subject. Like you, I am very vigilant monitoring any correspondence. In fact, I save every e-mail from Marriott and searched the inbox without finding any reference to this change.

Regards

TJCNewYork

I had to fax my folio for two stays I had. One for the MFC where I used my owner week and one I had as an exchange at Barony. Neither showed up. However, all my stays at the Marriott Fairways in NJ show up. I have never had a problem there. I got 14 days worth of credit. That may help me reach Gold status but I doubt it

icydog said:

I had to fax my folio for two stays I had. One for the MFC where I used my owner week and one I had as an exchange at Barony. Neither showed up. However, all my stays at the Marriott Fairways in NJ show up. I have never had a problem there. I got 14 days worth of credit. That may help me reach Gold status but I doubt it

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I'm told by Elite reservations that there is a backend issue. In order for the nights to be credited to your MR Account, your Marriott Rewards ID has to be associated with the Reservation. Some of the property management systems still in use are antiquated.

As a knee-jerk reaction, what I do now is call Reservations. If you examine your II certificate you will see a Reservation #. Call that # in and have Reservations manually insert your Marriott Rewards ID as a stop gap measure. The same for Owner Services. Although they assign a Reservation #, they are unable to input your Marriott Rewards #.

TJCNewYork said:

I'm told by Elite reservations that there is a backend issue. In order for the nights to be credited to your MR Account, your Marriott Rewards ID has to be associated with the Reservation. Some of the property management systems still in use are antiquated.

As a knee-jerk reaction, what I do now is call Reservations. If you examine your II certificate you will see a Reservation #. Call that # in and have Reservations manually insert your Marriott Rewards ID as a stop gap measure. The same for Owner Services. Although they assign a Reservation #, they are unable to input your Marriott Rewards #.

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Thanks for the idea. I'll do that very soon for my two upcoming reservations at NCV.

II Certificate and Rewards Number

Originally Posted by TJCNewYork
I'm told by Elite reservations that there is a backend issue. In order for the nights to be credited to your MR Account, your Marriott Rewards ID has to be associated with the Reservation. Some of the property management systems still in use are antiquated.

As a knee-jerk reaction, what I do now is call Reservations. If you examine your II certificate you will see a Reservation #. Call that # in and have Reservations manually insert your Marriott Rewards ID as a stop gap measure. The same for Owner Services. Although they assign a Reservation #, they are unable to input your Marriott Rewards #.


While I see the column labeled "rewards #" on my confirmation from II, the person on the Marriott Rewards Desk at II said they had no field avaiable to them to populate that number???

II said I should speak to Marriott.

TJCNewYork said:

Greetings, Marriott Rewards Insiders!

On July 16, Marriott Vacation Club resorts will move to hotel categories. This means that the number of points required to stay at a Marriott Vacation Club will change: the points required will be increasing.

As your Marriott Rewards liaison, my number one priority is to give all Marriott Rewards members and Insiders the straight facts.

A complete list of the Marriott Vacation Club resorts and the new category levels will be published on Marriott.com later tonight. Watch the program news section of Marriott Rewards (https://www.marriott.com/rewards/learn/prgnews.mi) for more information.

This move does not change Marriott Vacation Club's participation in No Blackout Dates. If you own a Marriott Vacation Club timeshare, this change does not impact the number of points you receive in trade for your week.

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So cost in points goes up, looks like a lot, points you get will not channge. I want to hear how sales reps spin this one. I would ask "Why would I pay extra for the right to get X points for my week when it takes 2X points to get that same week back? Where is the value?"

Ray

Interesting Point Values! Cat 5-7

United States


Arizona
Canyon Villas – Phoenix, AZ
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6


California
Desert Springs Villas I – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Desert Springs Villas II – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grand Residences by Marriott, Lake Tahoe – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Grand Residences by Marriott, Tahoe – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Newport Coast Villas – Newport Coast, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Shadow Ridge I, The Villages – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Shadow Ridge II, The Enclave – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Timber Lodge – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Colorado

Mountain Valley Lodge at Breckenridge – Breckenridge, CO
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Florida

Beach Place Towers – Fort Lauderdale, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Crystal Shores – Marco Island, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Cypress Harbour – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grande Vista – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Lake – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Imperial Palm Villas – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Legends Edge at Bay Point—Panama City, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Ocean Pointe – Palm Beach Shores, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Royal Palms – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Sabal Palms – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Villas at Doral – Miami, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Hawaii
Kaua'i Beach Club – Lihue-Kauai, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Ko Olina Beach Club – Kapolei-Oahu, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Maui Ocean Club – Lahaina-Maui, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Maui Ocean Club, Lahaina and Napili Villas – Lahaina, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Waiohai Beach Club – Koloa-Kauai, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Massachusetts
Custom House – Boston, MA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Missouri
Horizons by Marriott Vacation Club at Branson – Branson, MO
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Nevada

Grand Chateau 1 & 2 – Las Vegas, NV
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

New Jersey
Fairway Villas at Seaview – Absecon, NJ
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

South Carolina
Barony Beach Club – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grande Ocean – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Club – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Point and Sunset Pointe at Shelter Cove – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Heritage Club – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Monarch at Sea Pines – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes – Myrtle Beach, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

SurfWatch – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Utah
MountainSide – Park City, UT
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Summit Watch– Park City, UT
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Virgin Islands (US)
Frenchman's Cove – St. Thomas, USVI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Virginia
Manor Club at Ford's Colony – Williamsburg, VA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Aruba

Aruba Ocean Club – Palm Beach, Aruba
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Aruba Surf Club – Palm Beach, Aruba
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

France
Village d'Ile-de-France – Bailly Romainvilliers, France
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Kitts Beach Club – Frigate Bay, St. Kitts and Nevis
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Spain
Club Son Antem – Llucmajor, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Marbella Beach Resort – Marbella, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Playa Andaluza – Estepona, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Thailand
Mai Khao Beach – Phuket, Thailand
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Phuket Beach Club – Phuket, Thailand
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

How many points are required for a free night?


This chart shows the points required by category level for each redemption night for a Deluxe Guest room. Additional points are required for 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom, and 3-bedrooms villas



How many points are required for 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom & 3-bedroom villas?

A 1-bedroom is an additional 5,000 points per night, a 2-bedroom is an additional 10,000 points per night, and a 3-bedroom is an additional 15,000 points per night.


Why do the types of rooms offered for redemption at Marriott Vacation Club resorts vary by location?

Each property has a different assortment of Deluxe Guest Room, 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom, and 3-bedrooms villas. Not all properties have all room types.


Will Marriott Vacation Club participate in No Blackout Dates?

Marriott Vacation Club resorts will not offer No Blackout Dates. Because Marriott Vacation Club resorts are timeshare properties, availability depends on whether the timeshare owners plan to occupy their rooms on specific nights.


from this page https://www.marriott.com/marriott.mi?page=mvci-faq

So now - instead of it costing 150,000 to book a 7 night 2BR in Aruba - it will cost 35,000 + 10,000 = 45,000 X 4 nights = 180,000 5th night free - and 2 more nights at 45,000 = 90 - total 7 nights in a 2BR = 270

and if I trade in my 2BR platinum week in Aruba - I receive 90,000

Gee, THANKS a LOT Marriott...now it is REALLY worth it to buy direct from you in order to turn in my weeks for points!

Cost in points for 7 nights in a 2 bedroom:

Cat 5 -----------210,000
Cat 6 -----------240,000
Cat 7 -----------270,000

Assuming you get one night free after 4 nights.

Makes getting 100,000 points for turning one in look like a poor deal.

Ray

TJCNewYork said:

Dear MVCI TUGers


In response to MVCI owner requests, Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards working to achieve a tighter brand integration. For example, as of June 30, 2008 last year, Marriott Rewards began counting MVCI nights towards qualifying for the next level of Marriott Rewards Elite status. Whether you stayed at your home resort or on exchange through Interval International AND presented your Marriott Rewards ID at check-in/check-out, the nights were counted and reflected in your online Marriott Rewards Account Activity.


Today, a decision was made to achieve another milestone, integration of Marriott Vacation Club properties into Marriott Rewards Categories. Here is the announcement posted on Marriott Rewards Insiders, May 11, 2009 by an Insiders staff member:


Marriot Vacation Clubs Resorts to move to Hotel Categories

Greetings, Marriott Rewards Insiders!

On July 16, Marriott Vacation Club resorts will move to hotel categories. This means that the number of points required to stay at a Marriott Vacation Club will change: the points required will be increasing.
As your Marriott Rewards liaison, my number one priority is to give all Marriott Rewards members and Insiders the straight facts.

A complete list of the Marriott Vacation Club resorts and the new category levels will be published on Marriott.com later tonight. Watch the program news section of Marriott Rewards (https://www.marriott.com/rewards/learn/prgnews.mi) for more information.

This move does not change Marriott Vacation Club's participation in No Blackout Dates. If you own a Marriott Vacation Club timeshare, this change does not impact the number of points you receive in trade for your week.

Please note, the changes don't take effect until July 16th. We will honor any reservations booked before July 16th at the current point amount.

Thanks all,

Andrew


Marriott Rewards Insiders is an online travel community hosted by Marriott for Marriott Rewards members. While there is no cost to join Marriott Rewards Insiders, you will need a Marriott Rewards member ID in order to register and login before viewing or posting. Here is the URL:

http://www.marriottrewardsinsiders.marriott.com

Be sure to check-out ongoing discussion among several MVCI owners under the discussion thread titled, MVCI Plea for Help.

Regards

TJCNewYork

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How does Marriott explain/defend THAT one????

VictorB said:

While I see the column labeled "rewards #" on my confirmation from II, the person on the Marriott Rewards Desk at II said they had no field avaiable to them to populate that number???

II said I should speak to Marriott.

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Don't do this on the phone. II can't even do it. You need to call Marriott. Do it online in your Marriott.com account. I think another Tugger posted instructions on this at one point. But you do it under the Change/Cancel Reservations section to look up your reservation and then attach your MR# to the reservation.

TJCNewYork said:

Dear MVCI TUGers


In response to MVCI owner requests, Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards working to achieve a tighter brand integration. For example, as of June 30, 2008 last year, Marriott Rewards began counting MVCI nights towards qualifying for the next level of Marriott Rewards Elite status. Whether you stayed at your home resort or on exchange through Interval International AND presented your Marriott Rewards ID at check-in/check-out, the nights were counted and reflected in your online Marriott Rewards Account Activity.

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This is actually the first mention of them giving nights on II exchanges in addition to home resort stays. WHen the announcement came out in 2008 it only mentioned giving nights on home resort stays at MVCI resorts, no mention of II exchanges. This is good to hear.

GrayFal said:

How does Marriott explain/defend THAT one????

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Overall this may be a lead in to adjustments in what Marriott will offer in the way of MRP in exchange for your week. They could be assigning these values to in the future provide the ability to trade for those same point values. I wouldn't hold your breath or get your hopes up, but it could be a possibility. Perhaps I just gave them that great idea.:ignore:

dioxide45 said:

This is actually the first mention of them giving nights on II exchanges in addition to home resort stays. WHen the announcement came out in 2008 it only mentioned giving nights on home resort stays at MVCI resorts, no mention of II exchanges. This is good to hear.

Overall this may be a lead in to adjustments in what Marriott will offer in the way of MRP in exchange for your week. They could be assigning these values to in the future provide the ability to trade for those same point values.

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Please see what I highlighted in post # 13 - it was specifically mentioned that they were NOT going to change the points you get!

edit - I only use BOLD to highlight what was said - I am not SHOUTING at you

GrayFal said:

Please see what I highlighted in post # 13 - it was specifically mentioned that they were NOT going to change the points you get!

edit - I only use BOLD to highlight what was said - I am not SHOUTING at you

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I am not disputing what they are saying now. At this time it not change the points you get. It just may be a move in that direction.

Sounds like there is more to this

I also think they will be doing their own exchange program, thus the reason for changing point values for stays here. Does anyone know if the resort categories are in line with the maintenance fees? I would like to see them get to a more equitable place in exchanging units.

lovearuba said:

Does anyone know if the resort categories are in line with the maintenance fees? I would like to see them get to a more equitable place in exchanging units.

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Grande Vista (Cat 6) 2008 MF Platinum $819.53 vs. Ocean Pointe (Cat 5) 2008 MF Platinum $1142.40 ? Not even close.

Good Point

dioxide45 said:

Grande Vista (Cat 6) vs. Ocean Pointe (Cat 5)? Not even close.

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Thats a shame, I would be upset if I was an Ocean Pointe owner. You can get a get-a-way to Grande Vista almost anytime you want one on Intervale, its just got so many available units, not the case with Ocean Pointe.

That's a huge increase in points for a 2 bedroom reservation, but it doesn't surprise me. Using points for a MVCI was the best value for MR points at current values.

I've never stayed in a MVCI using points, but I have made resevations which I cancelled once an II exchange came through.

Marriott is going to take someones 270,000 points and give me a whole120,000 points for my 3 bedroom St Kitts. That's a 150,000 point difference! Seeing this years M/F are over $1700 (I could by 120,000points for $1500) How about atleast splitting the difference with the owners or letting us owners rent the T/S for what other owners are getting in point value?? Kind of like how SVN works in a way, maybe. With all of this take, take, take they need to look at the owner points now.

Alas, another MR "enhancement."

My guess is that not many folks will jump at the chance to spend a ton of points on a timeshare visit.

Realistically, you can rent almost any of the Marriott timeshares for less than $1500 for the week, and many can be had for as little as $199 for a week on an II getaway (granted in off season, but...).

I was also interested to see how they assigned the individual resorts to the hotel categories. Some of the less popular resorts got category 6 while more popular ones got 5s. We'll see if they offer pointsavers during off season.

Big Matt said:

My guess is that not many folks will jump at the chance to spend a ton of points on a timeshare visit.

Realistically, you can rent almost any of the Marriott timeshares for less than $1500 for the week, and many can be had for as little as $199 for a week on an II getaway (granted in off season, but...).

I was also interested to see how they assigned the individual resorts to the hotel categories. Some of the less popular resorts got category 6 while more popular ones got 5s. We'll see if they offer pointsavers during off season.

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I don't think many people who currently own a TS will do this, but you may still see those that don't have access to getaway weeks in II take them up on the offer. I am guessing you can combine these with a travel package that includes airline miles now.