2009 Maintenance Fees Thread - Some available at MSC.com now

DeniseM · Dec 1, 2008

*I am going to save this thread as a sticky, so I am going to start deleting off-topic posts from the thread. If you have a question that is NOT related to the 2009 maintenance fees, please post it in a different thread.

If you want to post about high maintenance fees - post here.

I just checked the 2008 MF thread and it was started on Dec. 10th, 2007, so it's time to start watching www.mystarcentral.com for the 2009 MF's. Please post your info. in this thread.

Just copy and paste it from MSC like this-

(Note - this is just last year's for example.)

Maintenance Fee Details (WKORV 2008)

Current Year Charges
Maintenance Fee(s) - $ 1,599.29
Tax - If Applicable - $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable - $ 113.53
Other* - $ 0.00
Interest - $ 0.00
Late Fees - $ 0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** - $ 0.00
Sub-Total
Current Year Charges - $ 1,717.82

Sthack · Dec 1, 2008

OMG!!!... I received my bill in the mail today and it looks like I'm paying MF for a unit in Hawaii somewhere!!! This does NOT include the special assessment either. This is ridiculous!!

Did i forget something? Isn't SVN suppose to pay my II membership once i switched over to SVN? Maybe i forgot........Here's my bill detail:

Vistana Resort - Fountains II

2009 Operating Assessment = $635.07
2009 Replacement Reserve = $116.82
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 90.29
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $946.18

BTW, Last year's (2008) MF were = $786.13

LisaRex · Dec 2, 2008

Sthack said:
OMG!!!... I received my bill in the mail today and it looks like I'm paying MF for a unit in Hawaii somewhere!!! This does NOT include the special assessment either. This is ridiculous!!

Is this for a 2 bdrm or 1 bdrm?

FYI, Hawaii MFs for a 2 bdrm are hovering around $1800 now.

Denise L · Dec 2, 2008

Sthack said:
OMG!!!... I received my bill in the mail today and it looks like I'm paying MF for a unit in Hawaii somewhere!!! This does NOT include the special assessment either. This is ridiculous!!

Did i forget something? Isn't SVN suppose to pay my II membership once i switched over to SVN? Maybe i forgot........Here's my bill detail:

Vistana Resort - Fountains II

2009 Operating Assessment = $635.07
2009 Replacement Reserve = $116.82
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 90.29
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $946.18

BTW, Last year's (2008) MF were = $786.13

II fees are included/buried in the SVN fee, I think. Were you in SVN last year? If not, that explains at least $109 of the increase.

DeniseM · Dec 2, 2008

Denise L said:
II fees are included/buried in the SVN fee, I think. Were you in SVN last year? If not, that explains at least $109 of the increase.

Yes - if you take out the SVN membership the increase is only $51 more than last year. Were you not expecting the $109 SVN membership fee?

CeeWoo · Dec 2, 2008

Vistana Resort - Fountains I 2BR unit (regular not lockout-this section doesn't have lockouts)

2009 Operating Assessment = $567.34
2009 Replacement Reserve = $89.22
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 68.95
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $839.51

We're gonna deduct the ARDA ROC PAC contribution making it $834.51
BTW-these figures are from the invoice we received yesterday. I just looked up my account at mystarcentral and the amounts showing there are more than double the ones on the invoice-so I've no idea what's up with that!

Ken555 · Dec 2, 2008

FWIW, none of my units (SVR, WMH, WKR) have 2009 MFs online yet.

Sthack · Dec 2, 2008

DeniseM said:
Yes - if you take out the SVN membership the increase is only $51 more than last year. Were you not expecting the $109 SVN membership fee?

Unfortunately, no I was not expecting to pay a $109 SVN fee. Is this fee assessed yearly? If i would have known, I probably wouldn't have switched over to SVN and stayed with RCI because i would get better trades.

grgs · Dec 2, 2008

Sthack said:
Unfortunately, no I was not expecting to pay a $109 SVN fee. Is this fee assessed yearly? If i would have known, I probably wouldn't have switched over to SVN and stayed with RCI because i would get better trades.

Yes, the fee is assessed yearly--it does include your Interval membership.

Since this is a voluntary resort, you could see if you can opt out of SVN.

Glorian

DavidnRobin · Dec 3, 2008

Sthack said:
Unfortunately, no I was not expecting to pay a $109 SVN fee. Is this fee assessed yearly? If i would have known, I probably wouldn't have switched over to SVN and stayed with RCI because i would get better trades.

I thought that Fountain Owners had the opportunity to join SVN (as a V resort) and had to pay a $599 fee (or was this waived) to join SVN (and therefore use SOs)?

There is a yearly fee to be within SVN. They cannot force you to join SVN - you had to opt-in (or opt-out). If you did - then you will get the early SVN fee (incl II). The charge for the 1st 2 VOIs - extra VOIs do not pay.

Do not trust MSC - it is often incorrect.

The whole V vs. M issue - and associate value (usage, rent, exchange, resale) and costs (purchase/MFs) of VOIs within a resort system is complicated - add in increasing costs, questionable corporate actions (inactions), unresponsive and unaccountable HOAs, and...

a book could be written... likely by nodge...

tlpnet · Dec 3, 2008

Vistana Resort - Falls 2BR unit

2009 Operating Assessment = $560.01
2009 Replacement Reserve = $81.55
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 54.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $700.56

Maui_ed · Dec 3, 2008

WPORV 2 Bdr LO EY

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,879.62
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 113.53
Other* $ 100.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 0.00
Current Year Charges $ 2,098.15

WKORVN 2 Bdr LO EOY

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 846.51
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 0.00
Other* $ 0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 0.00
Current Year Charges $ 851.51

James1975NY · Dec 3, 2008

Sthack said:
OMG!!!... I received my bill in the mail today and it looks like I'm paying MF for a unit in Hawaii somewhere!!! This does NOT include the special assessment either. This is ridiculous!!

Did i forget something? Isn't SVN suppose to pay my II membership once i switched over to SVN? Maybe i forgot........Here's my bill detail:

Vistana Resort - Fountains II

2009 Operating Assessment = $635.07
2009 Replacement Reserve = $116.82
2009 Estimated Real Estate Tax = $ 90.29
2009 SVN Membership Fee = $109.00
2009 ARDA ROC PAC Contribution = $ 5.00

2009 GRAND TOTAL Fees = $946.18

BTW, Last year's (2008) MF were = $786.13

Were you a member of the SVN program prior to 2009?

CeeWoo · Dec 3, 2008

DavidnRobin said:
I thought that Fountain Owners had the opportunity to join SVN (as a V resort) and had to pay a $599 fee (or was this waived) to join SVN (and therefore use SOs)?

...

The $599 fee was waived, but there was a deadline for those of us who wanted to join. I read the 'contract' for SVN closely and at least in the one they gave to Fountains I owners, the $109 annual fee was well stated. I also had been an RCI member but figured the II + SVN was a better deal at $109 than seperate RCI membership (at least for us). RCI may or may not be as good as II, I can't really say, but I expect to mainly use the StarOptions and trade within SVN and use II mainly as a 'fall back' for cases when we might not use our annual vaca within Starwood

I'd need to read it again, but I believe that once in, we can easily get out of SVN

DavidnRobin · Dec 3, 2008

mbisson said:
The $599 fee was waived, but there was a deadline for those of us who wanted to join. I read the 'contract' for SVN closely and at least in the one they gave to Fountains I owners, the $109 annual fee was well stated. I also had been an RCI member but figured the II + SVN was a better deal at $109 than seperate RCI membership (at least for us). RCI may or may not be as good as II, I can't really say, but I expect to mainly use the StarOptions and trade within SVN and use II mainly as a 'fall back' for cases when we might not use our annual vaca within Starwood

I'd need to read it again, but I believe that once in, we can easily get out of SVN

If you can decide on a yearly basis whether or not to be in SVN (and pay the annual fee) - that seems like a sweet deal. I know little about II (and nothing about RCI).

For us - being in SVN for our WKORV, WPORV, and WSJ units is a waste since we would unlikely ever use SVN or II to exchange into another resort - the best usage of SVN would only be for our WKV units. Although it is nice to be able to if needed, and for WKORV and WSJ it transfers upon selling.

formerhater · Dec 3, 2008

Maui_ed said:
WPORV 2 Bdr LO EY

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,879.62
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 113.53
Other* $ 100.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 0.00
Current Year Charges $ 2,098.15

This looks like the 2008 bill. I haven't seen my '09 bill (paper or mystarcentral) yet.

CeeWoo · Dec 3, 2008

DavidnRobin said:
If you can decide on a yearly basis whether or not to be in SVN (and pay the annual fee) - that seems like a sweet deal. I know little about II (and nothing about RCI).

For us - being in SVN for our WKORV, WPORV, and WSJ units is a waste since we would unlikely ever use SVN or II to exchange into another resort - the best usage of SVN would only be for our WKV units. Although it is nice to be able to if needed, and for WKORV and WSJ it transfers upon selling.

Just in case though-to clarify-once someone opts out I don't know that they can get back in. But if they can, I'm pretty sure then they would have to pay the $599

Sthack · Dec 4, 2008

James1975NY said:
Were you a member of the SVN program prior to 2009?

No, I joined this year before the deadline to waive the $599 fee. I already had one year left with II before joining SVN. Will II refund me that year?

pointsjunkie · Dec 5, 2008

sdo large 1 br $573.97
sdo small 1 br $487.76

svv bella 2br $900.63
svv bella 2 br l/o $1196.71

svv key west 2 br $876.05
svv key west 2 br l/o $1223.39

haven't gotten wkv or harborside yet.

grgs · Dec 6, 2008

pointsjunkie said:
sdo large 1 br $573.97
sdo small 1 br $487.76

FYI--the totals listed above include the optional $5.00 ARDA.

Last year's SDO large 1 bdrm was $546.04; so about a 4.2% increase.

Last year's SDO small 1 bdrm was $463.31; also about a 4.2% increase.

Glorian

grgs · Dec 6, 2008

Sheraton Vistana Cascades: non-LO 2 bdrm

Maintenance Fee(s): $1,191.05
Tax - If Applicable: $100.98
Membership Fee: $0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.**: $5.00
Sub-Total
Current Year Charges: $1,297.03

I'm assuming this includes the 1st installment of the special assessment which I believe is approx. $527. If so that would bring the mf down to: approx. $664.05 + 100.98 taxes for a total of: $765.03.

Last year's total was $749.11; so about a 2.1% increase.

Glorian

frb · Dec 6, 2008

SVV Bella 2 bedroom 2009

Current Year Charges
Maintenance Fee(s) $ 790.15
Tax - If Applicable $ 140.66
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 109.00
Other* $ 0.00
Interest $ 0.00
Late Fees $ 0.00
ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 0.00
Sub-Total
Current Year Charges $ 1,039.81

frb · Dec 6, 2008

Hi Pointsjunkie,

Curious why my fee is $1,039 and yours is only $900.

Transit · Dec 6, 2008

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 796.04 SVV Key West Standard 2bed

Tax - If Applicable $ 140.35

Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 109.00

Other* $ 0.00

Interest $ 0.00

Late Fees $ 0.00

ARDA ROC PAC Contrib.** $ 5.00 (Yeah Right

)

Sub-Total
Current Year Charges $ 1,050.39
Less Payments*** $ 0.00

Total Due $ 1,050.39

Projected Fees for Next Year $ 1,045.39

Denise L · Dec 6, 2008

frb said:
Curious why my fee is $1,039 and yours is only $900.

If it's your first SVN resort, there is that $109 SVN fee. Don't know about the $30 difference, though.

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