[2008] Belaire Golf Resort and Spa

If you have just found this thread and are searching for information about this resort, you may want to look at page 25 of this thread, post #606 for an up-to-date report on a timeshare presentation done August 24, 2009.



Info to Newbies.

I am a guest here but I worked one week in November 2007 at the Belaire Golf Resort and Spa. If you are offered a crazy deal at the Belaire Golf Resort and Spa. Don't believe it.

I was supposed to take the place of Dorota as a Legal Verification Officer. I was told they were going to fire her because she was scaring the customers.

My first day a bird pooped on my head and I knew it was a sign that something was wrong.

But the main thing I want to say is .. when I was working there I would see them proposing these 130k deals and then when it was rejected come back and sell 2 weeks a year for 10 years extendable for 100 years for only 100 dollars a year. These deals would be sold for like 6k or 10k.

I made a big deal to say to Carlos, Guido (or what ever the brothers name is of the owner) and even Antonio (the owner) that this deal would lose them money. Finally after a lot of questions from me, they said to me very clearly, the people with those deals will never stay at the Belaire. "Basically they just bought themselves a vacation club membership and we will make sure that they NEVER get in to Belaire. " It is refered to as an Exit. And they call it "recovering their marketing money". And they do so quite openly.

I said I thought it was wrong, and I also said I would not be able to slide the truth as good as Dorota. I am an extremely honest person and just couldn't do it. So... I got fired.

As for Profeco... one of the sales people also told me that now days you can get your money back AFTER the 5 day recision period. I had told him I bought Velas Vallarta. He acknowledged it was basically a waste of money. He also told me even though it had been 3 months since I bought, nowdays I could probably get my money back partially if not all. (though I did not do it)

As far as construction. As in other posts here about Belaire, nothing has changed since November 2007, since I worked there. They moved some equipment around and fixed their fence up a bit because it really looked deserted when I worked there. Even if their website shows a full building it is just a computer composite, nextdoor to the the model's it is just a dirt lot.

As far as the beach club, I was told they were negotiating a deal to use some beachfront property but the golf course actually is not part of Belaire at all. That is what I was told.

I thought it was hilarious when one poster posted that the owner, claimed to be worth millions but was also the same person that sold them a unit at the Mayan several years ago.

When I worked there I knew deep down that if they hadn't fired me I would have had to quit, it really seemed like a scam even from a new person working there.

Sincerely, PuertoVallartaGirl

Thanks

for being brave enough to post your first hand experiences .

We may have seen each other as my wife and I toured in early November.

Greg

Was Marcos still working there when you were working there?
We toured last September and recinded for the various reasons outlined in our posts in the first two strings. Your post starts the 4th Belaire string.

Your Qoute "As far as construction. As in other posts here about Belaire, nothing has changed since November 2007, since I worked there. They moved some equipment around and fixed their fence up a bit because it really looked deserted when I worked there. Even if their website shows a full building it is just a computer composite, nextdoor to the the model's it is just a dirt lot. " Unquote

I find it very interesting that it seems you are saying the pictures of the construction at the Belaire are seemingly not correct, and you say it is a just a computor compositive? If so then I am even more concerned for the people who did not recind in time.

Or are the pictures on the "Belaire Contrction" string http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68338 and put on postings 8 and 9 correct?


I wonder if any Tugger that a lot of us know and respect will be in PV very soon and be able to post pictures of the Belaire property when they get back.


Bruce

I posted pics in Feb or March and will be back there in PV in July, that is the soonest I can do it................

Hopefully someone else can go sooner....the most recent photos are quite different from mine.

pammex said:

I posted pics in Feb or March and will be back there in PV in July, that is the soonest I can do it................

Hopefully someone else can go sooner....the most recent photos are quite different from mine.

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I just checked back on the string and have noticed that one of the newer posters said they will be returning on April 20, 2008 and will try to post more pictures.

Bruce

No another one of the newbie posters who rave about how wonderful it is, and how much is being done etc.....they kind of make me leary!

there is a live utube video of the complete construction site. Looks real to me.It was on there web-cam site

Belaire

Go to www.belairevacationclub.com and hit Press and News and you can watch real time construction on the web cam all day if you want.

Ed

Belaire Construction

April 17, 2008 I just got back from my last visit to Belaire. Construction continues to go on at full speed and I took a few more pictures. My wife and I will leave PV Sunday, April 20. I will attempt to post pictures early next week.
I have the following questions to any TUG member who can help me.
1. How do I go about posting pictures on TUG?

2. Is their a limit on how many pictures I can post?

If any Belaire owner is in PV drop by and see the construction and keep us up to date. The web cam does not really capture the scope of the construction.

Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.

I just visited the Belaire Vacation Club web site and they have great photos and videos of the construction. I will continue to post my photos when I get home as they are the most recent available at this time.

Henry Piche
Flushing, Michigan

The easiest way is to post your pictures in an online photo album on the Internet and simply provide a link to that album in a post here.

If you wish to post the acutul photos here, see this How to post pictures thread and the link therein.

There is no limit to the number of pictures that you can post within a particular thread. However, please recognize that the more space you take up with pictures, the more difficult it becomes for people to wade through the pictures and read text.

construction

Well, regardless of the construction or not, There is a clear message in my note about the 10k and under deals. They told me that that was for the pure pupose of recovering their marketing monies.

In all serious I do hope that everything does work out on the up and up for the people that bought the big packages.

I just wanted to share my experience because I´ve been worried about people who bought and I personally haven´t seen enouch construction activity to make it seem real to me.

Best wishes.

Belaire Construction

I upload 14 pictures on Belaire Construction on PhotoBucket.com under the name of Joyce583. Can anybody help me regarding how I create a link from Tug2 to PhotoBucket?
Thank you for any help you may give.

Belaire Construction

I think all you need to do is go to your link

http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll205/joyce583/

jhpiche@comcast.net said:

Can anybody help me regarding how I create a link from Tug2 to PhotoBucket?

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See post #19 in this thread.

Belaire Construction

Thanks Steve for your help! Your link works fine as and folks can click on it to get to my pictures.

As far as I can determine work seems to be on track and let us hope this continues until the project is finished.
If anbody is an owner and happen to be in PV please drop by the Belaire, see whats happening and keep us informed.

Henry and Joyce Piche
Flushing, Michigan

Belaire Construction

Henry/Joyce

Thank you for the pictures.
I am an owner at Belaire & I have to admit I feel a little better then I did a few months ago.

Steve

Well, I truly hope this is a good sign, but I must honestly IMHO, after looking at those pics and relloking at those pics, the only difference I see from two months ago when I was there is an extension of a retaining wall which does not take 2 months and lots and lots of Rebar and bags of well who knows cement, sand etc. I also see a square foundation area, full of brown water or such, what is that? Then I see a crew of much more when I was there but certainly not enough for a project this size, maybe the others were on comida, but each pictures shows them staring or touching the rebar but doing nothing with it.....Guess it looks better than 2 months ago, but I would feel I was in clear yet if I was an owner. Let's see what the next poster shows for pics on their next visit. Oh yeah there is also a permit sign on the fence that is new did they not have that before?

I certainly am not trying to be negative but I have built a home of 5000 sq. feet in Mexico and well my crew did not stand around looking at rebar like they had no clue what it was etc. they got to it, used it put it up, laid it down.

Oh I hope the next pictures are more promising. There is also still the issue of the article, now I forget the number but the one that states the owners have nothing or such if such and such, I believe brucecz, stated it many times. This could be built and sold in other words and no one owns anything. This is just such a quandrum. It is really too bad it is not a more positive experience as the nonfunctioning units were incredible.

I would advise neutrality onthis until more is displayed. Sorry, I really wanted to be thrilled with the pics but they were more than disappointing for over 2 months, especially since we had heard while we were in PV over 2 months ago that work was starting that week..hmm.

I’m not comparing these 2 projects as they are totally different and the weather in Minnesota adds an element that isn’t a factor in Mexico. But the below article shows how long it takes when undertaking a large construction project. Sometimes it seems like there is no progress taking place when the pile driving and concrete work is taking place as you don’t see any noticeable changes. All of the forming of the rebar is done on site by hand. There is a A LOT more rebar being used when forming the many massive pilings compared to a residential home.

Thursday, Aug. 30, 2007, will forever be remembered as the day outdoor Major League Baseball returned to Minnesota and Twins Territory, as the Twins officially broke ground at the new ballpark site in Minneapolis.

It took over a decade for the Twins to get a new outdoor ballpark approved, but on Thursday night, the first round of shovels finally dug into the ground as part of the official groundbreaking ceremony at the site of the ballpark set to open in 2010.

In addition to the ceremony, guests enjoyed a concert by Martin Zellar, autographs from Twins alumni, and one of the beautiful late-summer days that the new ballpark will allow Twins fans and players to experience just two seasons from now. A March-April 2010 completion is scheduled.

I agree that the timeframe promised was unrealistic (hindsight) and it would have been better had they been more upfront from the beginning.

I look forward to outdoor baseball returning to the Twins
and hopefully a completed Belaire Resort

Belaire Construction

Thanks Henry/Joyce

Your pictures are appreciated. It has been great to watch the progress daily on the web cam. Talked to them in PV yesterday and they are on schedule with the footings so they can get them done before the rainy season starts.
Looking forward to meeting you someday in PV.

Ed and Phyllis Van Rossum

I am well aware of by hand work in Mexico and well aware of rebar etc. I am also more than aware of weather conditons and such in Mexico, land and all. My home was done by a crew of 12 cut down in the end, all hand labor, lots and lots of rebar, hand mixing of cement, the whole gamut.

I am also well aware of how quickly usually a resort or mall etc are built in Mexico, and usually much less hand labor, they do have machines here.

I just cannot see the delays, nor anything in the pics which showed a lot of work had been done...I would like to see when the supplies have actually been put to use. They are on schedule with the footings the next poster says but yet I see nothing dug....that is strange. Usually homes and projects are built to California code due to earthquake and natural disaster threats. They better stop staring at the rebar and get moving or the foundation with the rebar in and welded together will not be done before rainy season.

I sure hope they pull this off as I said before there are many excited buyers who have waited a long time and well the model units though non functioning are just incredible....unfortunately for me I think it is going to be a I'll believe it when I see it! I do have my fingers crossed though.

Oh Steve I forgot to mention there is certainly not enough rebar in those photos for a project such as this, so hope that is just a beginning delivery. More rebar was used in the back portion of my home and pool than there is there on site.

I guess my problem is I do not see the supplies in use......and was told over two months ago the foundation and piling were to begin and the equipment /machine is there, so why aren't they done or started. Or is there another delay. Where are the people who were supposed to have units to use this year exchanging into, every exchange company I am familiar with has stated they do not do business with projects that do not have units available.

I'll keep watching as even though every poster is a guest which is very odd...this must be for real and going to happen, what it pity if it did not cause the concept, building, units in model are wonderful.

There are 24 footings being poured and they currently are on #16. If you go to the website, you can see the progress in real time on the webcam. You'll see truckloads of rebar being brought in as well as trucks of all kinds being unloaded. Currently there are 3 rebar cages on site and it looks like one will dropped into a hole today.

Ed

Mr. 43

Please advise current status of Belaire's famous empty water bottle.

Thanks.

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