Thinking of buying an EOY contract-Any disadvantages? Advice appreciated.

philemer · Mar 10, 2016

I'm thinking of buying my first Wyndham contract (resale and at least 231K pts) & have been doing a lot of reading. If I buy I'd like to buy at one of the 5 Hawaii properties that are part of the Outrigger Resort Club. See pages 347> here: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wyndham/memberdirectory0910/ If I buy at Bali Kai V., for example, I'd be able to reserve at the other 4 resorts (KHR, Royal Sea Cliff, Mauna Loa Village & Waikiki Beach Walk) at 12 months out and at the Bali Kai V. 13 months out.

1. If the contract is an EOY-Odd, starting in 2017, I think I could reserve a Jan/Feb 2017 week as soon as the contract is in my name, yes? Assuming the days are available of course.

2. My plan is to use all the pts in Jan/Feb of each odd year. Is it reasonable to expect a Jan/Feb week to be available in Hawaii 12 months out?

3. If I don't use all the pts in my use year I can put them in the Credit Pool or deposit with RCI. Right? What's the minimum RCI will accept? 77K?

4. Any disadvantage to buying an EOY contract?

All advice appreciated.

spackler · Mar 10, 2016

Bali Hai is an excellent choice if you're looking for cheap maintenance fees.

Ty1on · Mar 10, 2016

philemer said:
I'm thinking of buying my first Wyndham contract (resale and at least 231K pts) & have been doing a lot of reading. If I buy I'd like to buy at one of the 5 Hawaii properties that are part of the Outrigger Resort Club. See pages 347> here: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wyndham/memberdirectory0910/ If I buy at Bali Kai V., for example, I'd be able to reserve at the other 4 resorts (KHR, Royal Sea Cliff, Mauna Loa Village & Waikiki Beach Walk) at 12 months out and at the Bali Kai V. 13 months out.

1. If the contract is an EOY-Odd, starting in 2017, I think I could reserve a Jan/Feb 2017 week as soon as the contract is in my name, yes? Assuming the days are available of course.

2. My plan is to use all the pts in Jan/Feb of each odd year. Is it reasonable to expect a Jan/Feb week to be available in Hawaii 12 months out?

3. If I don't use all the pts in my use year I can put them in the Credit Pool or deposit with RCI. Right? What's the minimum RCI will accept? 77K?

4. Any disadvantage to buying an EOY contract?

All advice appreciated.

It is possible, and if you can't get an accommodation for next Jan/Feb, you can credit pool the points for future use within up to 3 years, but be advised you'll lose your reservation priority when you do this.

You should also know that Wyndham takes a significant amount of time to transfer a contract, 3-4 months, and once it is transferred, they may not communicate to you that your points are available for weeks longer. Start calling to check on the transfer at about 3 months. At 4 months, if a contract is signed by both parties, deeded to your name, and submitted to Wyndham with the appropriate fees today, it will be the middle of July before you can see what is available in Jan/Feb. And since nothting is started, you should add at least a month to that for contracts and deed.

I can see availability for January and February today, even within the 10 month open reservation period the first week of Jan (and all of December including Christmas Week).

philemer · Mar 10, 2016

Ty1on said:
It is possible, and if you can't get an accommodation for next Jan/Feb, you can credit pool the points for future use within up to 3 years, but be advised you'll lose your reservation priority when you do this.

You should also know that Wyndham takes a significant amount of time to transfer a contract, 3-4 months, and once it is transferred, they may not communicate to you that your points are available for weeks longer. Start calling to check on the transfer at about 3 months. At 4 months, if a contract is signed by both parties, deeded to your name, and submitted to Wyndham with the appropriate fees today, it will be the middle of July before you can see what is available in Jan/Feb. And since nothing is started, you should add at least a month to that for contracts and deed.

I can see availability for January and February today, even within the 10 month open reservation period the first week of Jan (and all of December including Christmas Week).

Thanks for the advice Ty1on. I've noticed that you are quite a big help on the boards and as a former Mod. I appreciate that.

And thanks for checking availability. :clap:

? So when you CP your points you can only ck. for rez. a max. of 10 mo. out? Sounds like that wouldn't be a problem at KHR.

ronparise · Mar 10, 2016

There are only 2 reasons to buy points deeded at one resort or another and they are the advanced reservation priority and the maintenance fees.

You get both with the same purchase Bali Hai has a low maintenance fee rate and its where you want to vacation.. win/win.. Id go for it

Be aware that there are Bali Hai converted weeks and Bali Hai UDI deeds. and they work differently when it comes to ARP...It shouldnt be that different but it is

Because Bali Hai is a floating weeks resort you should be able to use the points from a converted floating week to make any reservation you want in the ARP period, but what I have found is that the folks on the phone will want to restrict you to exactly what your deed says

So long story short, Id look for a EOY odd UDI

Ty1on · Mar 10, 2016

philemer said:
Thanks for the advice Ty1on. I've noticed that you are quite a big help on the boards and as a former Mod. I appreciate that.

And thanks for checking availability.

? So when you CP your points you can only ck. for rez. a max. of 10 mo. out? Sounds like that wouldn't be a problem at KHR.

Ron can probably answer that better than me. If you have ARP there, I would think you could see the availability at 13 months even if you can't reserve, but I don't know for sure. At any rate, Jan/Feb 2017 is already within 13 months and time marches on, so it's moot.

Ty1on · Mar 10, 2016

philemer said:
Thanks for the advice Ty1on. I've noticed that you are quite a big help on the boards and as a former Mod. I appreciate that.

And thanks for checking availability.

? So when you CP your points you can only ck. for rez. a max. of 10 mo. out? Sounds like that wouldn't be a problem at KHR.

When I'm wrong I'm no help at all :wave:

:ignore:

philemer · Mar 10, 2016

ronparise said:
There are only 2 reasons to buy points deeded at one resort or another and they are the advanced reservation priority and the maintenance fees.

You get both with the same purchase Bali Hai has a low maintenance fee rate and its where upu want to vacation.. win/win.. Id go for it

Be aware that there are Bali Hai converted weeks and Bali Hai UDI deeds. and they work differently when it comes to ARP...It shouldnt but it does.

Because Bali Hai ids a floating weeks resort you should be able to use the points from a floating week to make any reservation you want in the ARP period, but what I have found is that the folks on the phone will want to restrict you to exactly what your deed says

So long story short, Id look for a EOY odd UDI

What is the difference between a UDI and converted week at Bali Hai in regard to ARP, exactly? (My highlighting).

scootr5 · Mar 10, 2016

philemer said:
What is the difference between a UDI and converted week at Bali Hai in regard to ARP, exactly? (My highlighting).

In general, a converted week only has ARP for the actual deeded week and unit (since most converted weeks were originally fixed).

As Ron said, because Bali Hai is a floating weeks resort (and there aren't many like that converted) you should be able to use the points from a floating week to make any reservation you want in the ARP period. In his experience the folks on the phone will want to restrict you to exactly what your deed says like a converted fixed week.

philemer · Mar 10, 2016

scootr5 said:
In general, a converted week only has ARP for the actual deeded week and unit (since most converted weeks were originally fixed).

As Ron said, because Bali Hai is a floating weeks resort (and there aren't many like that converted) you should be able to use the points from a floating week to make any reservation you want in the ARP period. In his experience the folks on the phone will want to restrict you to exactly what your deed says like a converted fixed week.

Thanks, Scott. But isn't a new deed generated when a week is converted to points? That would clear things up I'd think.

scootr5 · Mar 10, 2016

philemer said:
Thanks, Scott. But isn't a new deed generated when a week is converted to points? That would clear things up I'd think.

No, there's not actually a new deed. They just assign the points to the account and charge the appropriate club fees.

I'm in the process of getting a converted week at another resort, and the deed makes no mention of the points. You can also drop out of the points program and revert it if you so choose (or if you fail to pay the maintenance fees).

alexadeparis · Mar 10, 2016

I don't ever remember reading that any Outrigger part of Wyndham contracts transfer on resale.

philemer · Mar 10, 2016

alexadeparis said:
I don't ever remember reading that any Outrigger part of Wyndham contracts transfer on resale.

Read pages 347>348 in the directory I linked to in my OP. It says that Club Wyndham Plus members who own 5 specific resorts in HI are members of ORC. It doesn't say anything about where or how you got the resort. I'm sure there must be some "fine print" somewhere but I couldn't see it. :wall:

markb53 · Mar 11, 2016

philemer said:
Read pages 347>348 in the directory I linked to in my OP. It says that Club Wyndham Plus members who own 5 specific resorts in HI are members of ORC. It doesn't say anything about where or how you got the resort. I'm sure there must be some "fine print" somewhere but I couldn't see it.

I believe that is a feature of a developer purchase and does not transfer on resale.

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ronparise · Mar 11, 2016

scootr5 said:
In general, a converted week only has ARP for the actual deeded week and unit (since most converted weeks were originally fixed).

As Ron said, because Bali Hai is a floating weeks resort (and there aren't many like that converted) you should be able to use the points from a floating week to make any reservation you want in the ARP period. In his experience the folks on the phone will want to restrict you to exactly what your deed says like a converted fixed week.

exactly right, Just my experience, but not at Bali Hai. I own converted fixed weeks at another resort and that was my experience there

By the way there is a Bali Hai, 308k eoy odd on ebay right now. I asked if it is a converted fixed week or a udi . His answer is that its a converted fixed week

philemer · Mar 11, 2016

markb53 said:
I believe that is a feature of a developer purchase and does not transfer on resale.

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ronparise said:
exactly right, Just my experience, but not at Bali Hai. I own converted fixed weeks at another resort and that was my experience there

By the way there is a Bali Hai, 308k eoy odd on ebay right now. I asked if it is a converted fixed week or a udi . His answer is that its a converted fixed week

Thanks to both of you. That means I would have to wait until 10 months out to reserve my stay? I'm retired and can travel any time so that probably won't be an issue.

OutSkiing · Mar 12, 2016

markb53 said:
I believe that is a feature of a developer purchase and does not transfer on resale.

This thread discusses Outrigger rules including some contract wording from jebloomquist:

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133367

The thought in that thread was that Outrigger APR provision is attached to the property and not the account so the 12 month provision should be available to resale contracts. I am waiting on a Bali Hai resale contract to clear through Wyndham my self so I have not been able to test this theory yet. Has anyone else?

On the other hand I don't know if the above referened addendum was specifically granted as part of a direct purchase or if it is a general provision attached to the properties. Doesn't matter that much to me but would love to know.

A similar 'home resort' provision exists at Myrtle Beach where owning at one resort gives 13 month APR at all Myrtle resorts and I have found it to be true on resale there.

Bob

vacationhopeful · Mar 12, 2016

OutSkiing said:
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A similar 'home resort' provision exists at Myrtle Beach where owning at one resort gives 13 month APR at all Myrtle resorts and I have found it to be true on resale there.

Bob

Bob,

The ARP situation at Myrtle Beach resorts is unique ... ie NOTHING like that happens between the 4 Pompano Beach area resorts OR the 3 'beachy' resorts at Pompano Beach.

Nor is there ANY regional ARP for a Westwinds Resort's converted fixed week at Myrtle Beach other than the underlying week ... but I COULD BE WRONG.

philemer · Mar 25, 2016

Success

Just bought a Bali Hai Villas, EOY-odd, on ebay. 168K pts. Bid, transfer & closing fees ~$855. I'm looking forward to using these pts and hope to buy another small contract sometime in the future. Thanks to everyone for answering my questions. I'm sure there will be more.

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