New DC Status Tiers effective 4/30/15

GregT · Feb 2, 2015

***Note with the OP's permission this post and replies to it have been moved from the Global points system thread where possible changes to the DC status tiers were first discussed.*** <--- SueDonJ

All,

Here is the info on the new levels. They've created four new levels:

Select (4,000 - 6,999 points)
Executive (7,000 - 9,999 points)
Presidential (10,000 - 14,999 points)
Chairman's Club (15,000 points +)

It looks like Executive (the new 7,000 point level) is effectively the same as the old Premier Plus. Everyone with Premier is now grandfathered into Executive. This is an important change for the former Premier owner.

The new Chairman's Club (the new 15,000 point level) has two years for banked points, and an extra month for the decision to bank (ie, October versus September). Premier Plus is grandfathered to CC.

Presidential -- in between Executive and Chairman's Club -- provides points to be banked for 18 months and also allows the extra month for the banking decision.

I don't think the changes are that significant -- most interesting is the expansion of 1+ day reservations 13 months out (the best thing about Premier Plus) is now extended down to Executive. That's a powerful feature for Executive, just as it used to be for PP.

Best,

Greg

SueDonJ · Feb 2, 2015

Good gravy, could they make things any more confusing?! (Probably shouldn't ask that because if they can, they will.)

I have to eat my words, never thought they'd do any grandfathering among status levels based on the wording in the docs at the DC outset. I'm happy they have, though.

Greg, can you source this pdf to a link on my-vacationclub.com? And, do you know if there have been or will be changes/amendments to the governing docs to counter the status levels as defined in the existing versions? I'll look closely later but if you have it handy in the meantime ... Thanks!

dualrated2 · Feb 2, 2015

Thanks for the attachment Greg.

SueDonJ · Feb 2, 2015

Am I reading this correctly? They've removed the additional 10% discount using the Marriott VISA for cash stays?

"Owner Rental Discounts" footnote 2 - "Cannot be used with any other discounts."

Wonder if it's also going going gone with the "MOD" discount?

dioxide45 · Feb 2, 2015

It looks like a lot more people will be able to reserve 7+ nights at 13 months. Anyone with 4,000 ore more DC points in the Select level. Looks like that is us. No other beanies worth worrying about for us.

I think this is geared toward finding more people to sell a small points package to in order to get them up to the next level. They will target a lot of people just below the 4,000 points level to sell 1,000-1,500 packages to.

I really think Chairman's Club should be able to elect right up to December 31st. The didn't go that far. Not much difference between the top two tiers.

I too am glad they are grandfathering. Never thought they would. I guess the sales people were not lying for a change

Docklander · Feb 2, 2015

dioxide45 said:
I guess the sales people were not lying for a change

Or they just got lucky in that one of their wild guesses/exaggerations actually came true for once

GregT · Feb 2, 2015

dioxide45 said:
It looks like a lot more people will be able to reserve 7+ nights at 13 months.

And alot more people can book 1+ night at 13 months. This feature has always intrigued me because it can impact availability for other users. As a Premier Plus, I could break a week so that it wasn't available for anyone seeking a 7+ night reservation. But there weren't that many PP's out there -- but now there will be lots of Executive level people.

I will be very curious to see what happens to availability from this expanded capability.

Best,

Greg

SMB1 · Feb 2, 2015

SueDonJ said:
Am I reading this correctly? They've removed the additional 10% discount using the Marriott VISA for cash stays?

"Owner Rental Discounts" footnote 2 - "Cannot be used with any other discounts."

Wonder if it's also going going gone with the "MOD" discount?

Hmmm. I will enjoy the 1+ nights at 13 months. But if you are right, this is a little disappointing. I've taken advantage of the 40% (30% + 10%) several times. At first glance was thinking I would get the 45%. If you're right, it'll be 35%

dioxide45 · Feb 2, 2015

I wonder what the percentage breakdowns will be for each each tier. In the past only 5% were PP and the next 15% were P. Are they deviating from this now? Will have to wait for updated Exchange Procedures.

GreenTea · Feb 2, 2015

I wonder if the grandfathering is permanent or just for the year to try to get the borderline folks to buy more. It doesn't read like its temporary, but I'm always on guard about things like that.

dioxide45 · Feb 2, 2015

GreenTea said:
I wonder if the grandfathering is permanent or just for the year to try to get the borderline folks to buy more. It doesn't read like its temporary, but I'm always on guard about things like that.

It sounds permanent, unless your points drop below the previous levels. Then you would need to get enough points for the new levels to move up.

GreenTea · Feb 2, 2015

dioxide45 said:
It sounds permanent, unless your points drop below the previous levels. Then you would need to get enough points for the new levels to move up.

Down at the bottom of the second page it DOES say point numbers to reach or keep status subject to change.....

I don't have enough to be any level so I'm neither gaining nor losing anything. They can't change things like adding restrictions after the sale , can they? (Like saying folks with less than 4k points can't book until 6 months out)

SueDonJ · Feb 2, 2015

GreenTea said:
I wonder if the grandfathering is permanent or just for the year to try to get the borderline folks to buy more. It doesn't read like its temporary, but I'm always on guard about things like that.

I'm wondering if there will be changes to the Points allocations for Enrolled Weeks before 4/29. Other than that, I'd say the grandfathering that will happen on 4/30 will be permanent through the next tier adjustments.

ilene13 · Feb 2, 2015

Maybe I'm crazy but page 1 does not match page 2. We have 13,500 points. On pg. 1 that is Chairman's on page 2 that is Presidential. My bad--I just read the little note--If I have 13,000+ points as of 4/29 I will be a grandfathered Chairman!!! Interesting.

NYFLTRAVELER · Feb 2, 2015

How does this affect somebody (like me) with 3500 points?

And what was somebody explaining about doing away with the discounts for MVCI owners off room rates?

StevenTing · Feb 2, 2015

Hmm.. with my 9225 that means I'm Executive. I was happy with Premier. The addition of being able to book 1+ days at 13 months is a nice bonus for me. I just wonder how many people I will be fighting now for my reservation using points. Good think my weeks are in Hawaii.

dioxide45 · Feb 2, 2015

NYFLTRAVELER said:
How does this affect somebody (like me) with 3500 points?

And what was somebody explaining about doing away with the discounts for MVCI owners off room rates?

I think the MOD discount is still in tact. Not sure if the 10% additional discount with the Visa will still be there. There is no mention to the changes with MOD. I suspect the codes will all still be the same. Will have to wait and see.

GregT · Feb 2, 2015

StevenTing said:
Hmm.. with my 9225 that means I'm Executive. I was happy with Premier. The addition of being able to book 1+ days at 13 months is a nice bonus for me. I just wonder how many people I will be fighting now for my reservation using points. Good think my weeks are in Hawaii.

Steven,

I think this is a real win for you. I know you love Ko Olina, and now have the ability to add an extra 1-6 days to extend your owned week.

This new benefit for the Executive level really helps leverage the combination of owning a week and then controlling your own 1-6 day extension through points.

I think this is a nice change for former Premier's.

Best,

Greg

MALC9990 · Feb 2, 2015

SueDonJ said:
Am I reading this correctly? They've removed the additional 10% discount using the Marriott VISA for cash stays?

"Owner Rental Discounts" footnote 2 - "Cannot be used with any other discounts."

Wonder if it's also going going gone with the "MOD" discount?

No Big Deal, those of us outside the USA never got that anyway. Big dissapointment is that AP Points and PBC weeks owners are STILL EXCLUDED.

As an enrolled DC weeks owner in Europe and a PBC weeks owner and an AP points owner I am GUTTED to be excluded AGAIN.

suzannesimon · Feb 2, 2015

I can see I'm going to have a problem now booking my resale week that isn't on the Point system . I can't book until 12 months out and with all the additional owners being able to book at 13 months, it could get difficult. You're right: It will also be a great selling feature to the basic "Owner" level when they find everything is gone by 12 months.

dioxide45 · Feb 2, 2015

suzannesimon said:
I can see I'm going to have a problem now booking my resale week that isn't on the Point system . I can't book until 12 months out and with all the additional owners being able to book at 13 months, it could get difficult. You're right: It will also be a great selling feature to the basic "Owner" level when they find everything is gone by 12 months.

This shouldn't have any impact on weeks based reservations. If it does, that lawsuit has merit.

mjm1 · Feb 2, 2015

GregT said:
Steven,

I think this is a real win for you. I know you love Ko Olina, and now have the ability to add an extra 1-6 days to extend your owned week.

This new benefit for the Executive level really helps leverage the combination of owning a week and then controlling your own 1-6 day extension through points.

I think this is a nice change for former Premier's.

Best,

Greg

Greg, thanks for sharing this information. We are the situation as Steven with owning a EOY week at Ko Olina. Nice to be able to add some extra nights at 13 months out. Glad we bought resale points when we did.

Mike

GrayFal · Feb 2, 2015

suzannesimon said:
I can see I'm going to have a problem now booking my resale week that isn't on the Point system . I can't book until 12 months out and with all the additional owners being able to book at 13 months, it could get difficult. You're right: It will also be a great selling feature to the basic "Owner" level when they find everything is gone by 12 months.

dioxide45 said:
This shouldn't have any impact on weeks based reservations. If it does, that lawsuit has merit.

I agree.
If your week isn't in points, it does not impact availability.

SueDonJ · Feb 2, 2015

SueDonJ said:
I'm wondering if there will be changes to the Points allocations for Enrolled Weeks before 4/29. Other than that, I'd say the grandfathering that will happen on 4/30 will be permanent through the next tier adjustments.

Talking to myself again.

The reason why I thought Points allocations might also be happening is because they announced these changes so far in advance of the effective date, which hasn't really been SOP for anything related to the DC. But my account still shows the same Enrolled Weeks allocations through 2017 so maybe I'm worrying over nothing ...

TouristTrap · Feb 2, 2015

They decided to dilute the premier plus pool by adding all the premiers. That's great for the premiers but it is going to destroy the calendar at 13 months. It looks like they gave up on selling more points to the premiers and will try to force everyone up to the 7,000 tier.

New DC Status Tiers effective 4/30/15

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