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Since I've been answering questions about Medicare here and there, I thought I would put it all out there in one mega-post. I am licensed and appointed in Florida, so most of what I am going to post is Federal. I can only do basics on Medicare Supplements, Part-D (Rx), and Medicare Advantage plans. An agent in your area (I HIGHLY suggest a local agent, not a call center) can give you specifics.

Part-A is paid for when you work 40 quarters (10 years), so at 65, you pay $0 premium. It is also available for someone who has been on Social Security Disability Income (not SSI) for 24 months, those with Lou Gherig's Disease, or End-Stage Renal (kidney failure) Disease. If you go into the hospital, you are charged:
  1. Days 01-60 = $1216 (average stay 1 week)
  2. Days 61-90 = $304 per day
  3. Days 91-150 = $608 per day
  4. Days 151 on = 100% of costs
If you are sent to a Nursing Home:
  1. Days 01-20 = $0
  2. Days 21-100 = $152 per day
  3. Day 101 on = 100% (most people go on Medicaid at this point)

Part-B has the same qualifications as Part-A, but is "optional". What I mean is, if you choose NOT to take it at 65, your premium will go up 10% per year (Late Enrollment Penalty - LEP) for life. If you have a PPACA-compliant group or Exchange plan, and you choose to keep it, you will not be charged the LEP. It is either withdrawn from your Social Security Check ($104.90/month as of 2014), or you can have it billed every quarter ($104.90 x 3). This is what you will also pay:
  1. Deductible = $147
  2. Doctor visits, outpatient medical/surgical, diagnostics, etc = 20%
  3. Durable Medical Equipment = 20%
  4. Blood = first 3 pints $0 + 20% for additional pints
  5. Annual physical exams = $0
  6. Clinical laboratory services = $0
  7. Extra charges over Medicare-approved amount = 100%

Part-D (Prescription Drug Plan - PDP) is very tricky. It is not run by Medicare, but it is regulated by them, and run by private insurers. Whatever you pay in premium, they lower many of the copayments. If you do not sign up at 65, you are charged 1% per month Late Enrollment Penalty (LEP) up to 100% of average premiums (approx $35).
  1. Deductible = $310
  2. When Deductible met, Initial Coverage Phase = Generics usually under $3, Brand-Name usually under $35, Non-Preferred Brand-Name usually under $95, Specialty usually under 33%
  3. When Out-Of-Pocket reaches $2850, Coverage Gap = 72% Generic cost/47.5% Brand-Name cost
  4. When True Out-Of-Pocket (Out-Of-Pocket + discounts) reaches $4550, $2.55 Generic/$6.35 Brand-Name or 5% coinsurance

Most Retirees want to cut those costs! The first way is a Medicare Supplement (aka MedSupp or Medigap). This plan has a premium based on the plan the person chooses, what they want covered and what they want to pay for themselves. But, there are NO networks, since the only "network" is any doctor, specialist, and hospital that accepts Medicare. They do not include a PDP. They are standardized by Medicare, but they are regulated by your state. Premiums vary by state and sometimes regions within the state. They are guaranteed renewable, meaning you will not be dropped for any reason, except non-payment. They are customizable to what YOU want.

Another option is the Medicare Advantage Plan with Part-D (MAPD). These plans are regulated by Medicare, they have low copayments, usually no deductibles even for drugs, add vision and dental, may add Silver Sneakers, and they are either an HMO or PPO (networks). They are paid for by Medicare, so if budgets change, your insurer may cancel your plan, requiring you to sign up for another one with higher deductibles/copays - or switching to a Medicare Supplement. The only pre-existing condition is ESRD (above), so a person can not join an MAPD plan if they have kidney failure, but the plan will allow them to join ONLY IF they had a successful transplant. Basically, MAPD plans are "one size fits all".

Now, what if the retiree needs MORE assistance with the bills? Social Security and Medicare offer help depending on income. If your assets (not including primary home and automobile) are less than $26860 married/$13440 single, and your monthly working income is less than $1790/month, Medicare and/or Social Security will erase many of those costs. Many don't want it, but Medicare and Social Security has millions available to help low-income retirees.

Since people paid for Medicare with their hard work, they should take it and make it work for them, as soon as they turn 65. Using an agent to wade through this whole maze is a must, not some $12/hour rep at a call center, but a person who you meet and forge a business relationship with. I know agents in 49 states (not Wisconsin), if you want a referral. It is what fits YOUR budget.

Now, when can you FIRST sign up?
  • Part-A = 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI
  • Part-B = 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI. If you fail to sign up at 65, you can sign up in February for a July 1st effective date
  • Part-D = 65th birthday or January-Valentines Day
  • Medicare Supplements = 6 months before your 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI
  • MAPD = 3 months before your 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI

I welcome any and all questions. You can ask here, or privately. My qualifications: I am licensed with the Florida 2-40 Health Insurance License, and AHIP 2014 (aka Medicare Advantage and Part-D certification). I'm NOT advertising, only offering help.
 

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how about the "letter that keeps popping up on Facebook and through emails that if you are admitted to the hospital under observation rather than as an inpatient Medicare will not pay the bill.

I have been able to ascertain that the claim that Medicare will not treat you for cancer if you are over 76 is false.
 
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Thanks for the information. I'm not 65 yet, but this area is indeed very confusing.

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Thanks for all the info. ~ it's very confusing ~ but your explanations help. I'll have to print this out and study it and try to understand.
 

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So the earliest one can go on Medicare is 65?
It sounds like it unless you are on social security disability or have one of the illnesses he mentioned.
 
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Yes, it is confusing. That is why insurance agents have to learn all this, so we can explain it to YOU. Like I said, I can refer you to agents in 48 states if you don't have one, whether you have (or are coming close to) Medicare. I don't know anyone in Wisconsin. For MA, I would refer you to my in-laws' insurance agent in Boston. I am licensed in Florida, and I am considering being licensed in Georgia (I would do everything by phone and/or online).

I was able to find out about the Observation issue. It is slightly true. Under the "Observation", the hospital codes the patient as "Observation Status". Under Medicare, that is covered under Part-B, not Part-A. That is a hospital issue, not a Medicare issue. So, if they rack up $20,000 in hospital bills, the hospital codes it as "Observation", the patient is billed $4000 instead of the Part-A $1216 copay. The ONLY time this would be good for a patient is if his total hospital bill (before insurance) is less than $6080. It is currently running through the court system in Connecticut.

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I've been on Medicare for about 14 years now. My take is that it is fine for users as long as we have Doctors and Hospitals who will accept it. So far, so good but it is getting tougher. I had to knock on a few doors before finding a replacement willing to accept a new Medicare patient when my PCP retired. I can't say the same for the taxpayer. I've seen too many Doctors trying to overcome the low reimbursement rates by billing for multiple items during one visit and performing unnecessary tests (within their practices).

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Question: Do stay at home spouses qualify for Medicare under the working spouse's record as they do with Social Security?
In my case, half of my husband's social security benefits are more than 100% of mine.
Does each person need to qualify for their own Medicare benefits or is it possible to qualify under your spouse's work record?
 

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Question: Do stay at home spouses qualify for Medicare under the working spouse's record as they do with Social Security?
In my case, half of my husband's social security benefits are more than 100% of mine.
Does each person need to qualify for their own Medicare benefits or is it possible to qualify under your spouse's work record?


my husband qualifies for Medicare on my work record. His Medicare number is my social, with the letter B after it.
 
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In that PDF - typical government paperwork - under the section Special enrollment period for people leaving Part C, it says you can disenroll (leave) your MAPD plan and go to Medicare under that disenrollment period. It fails to mention you are then eligible for a Medicare Supplement plan, in addition to a Prescription Drug Plan (PDP). If your plan drops you, you can go to another MAPD, or a MedSupp plan.

For example, a friend of mine who was on Medicare signed up for Humana during the Open Enrollment. In January, she received a notice that she was dropped from the plan, most likely because she has ESRD (above). At that point, she could not join another MAPD plan, but she could sign up for a MedSupp. Unfortunateiy, the MedSupp plan I sold charged just under $800/month, so she chose to stick with basic Medicare for her Dialysis.

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More on Medicare Help. We suggest Medicare Recipients who make less than $3500/month and have less than a certain amount of assets (stocks/bonds, annuities, etc) to go to the Social Security Extra Help site. Basically, if you are approved, they eliminate the Coverage Gap ("Donut Hole") and - depending on your cost - eliminate the premium and any Late Enrollment Penalties. If/when you're approved, you will also have a Special Election Period, meaning you can change your plan.

It does not hurt to apply. It's not exactly "welfare", since the funds come from Social Security taxes. For example, my dad pays $140/month Medicare Part-B (includes Late Enrollment Penalties) and around $100/month Medicare Supplement, no Part-D. I had him apply for it, since he has zero assets and income within the guidelines. With my Florida-only plan (PUP), if he was accepted, I would save him at least $200/month! If not, and he wanted to sign up for a Part-D plan, he would be charged $35/month Late Enrollment Penalty (he never had a Part-D plan) in addition to the other premium/fees.

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Very useful info. A couple of further notes:

If you (or your spouse) are working beyond your age 65 and there's employer-provided insurance that covers you, there is no penalty if you decide to defer applying for (and paying for) Part B coverage until you no longer have the employer-provided plan.

The $104.90 monthly premium for Part B is for people whose modified adjusted gross income (taxable AGI plus tax-exempt income) from two, sometimes three, years before is less than $85,000 (single filer) or $170,000 (joint filer). If you're in a higher income bracket, your premium can be as much as $335.70 per month.
The income brackets are here (scroll down on the page and click to expand):
http://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/costs-at-a-glance/costs-at-glance.html#collapse-4809

If you have high income and then in a later year your earned income falls below the threshold, there's a procedure to ask Medicare for a new determination of your proper premium.
http://socialsecurity.gov/pubs/EN-05-10536.pdf
 
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If you delay taking Part B or Part D because you have insurance from your Employer or Past Employer, make sure you get a letter explaining that you have insurance equal to or better than Part B or Part D. That way you will not be subject to "late enrollment" penalties down the road.

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Since I've been answering questions about Medicare here and there, I thought I would put it all out there in one mega-post. I am licensed and appointed in Florida, so most of what I am going to post is Federal. I can only do basics on Medicare Supplements, Part-D (Rx), and Medicare Advantage plans. An agent in your area (I HIGHLY suggest a local agent, not a call center) can give you specifics.

Part-A is paid for when you work 40 quarters (10 years), so at 65, you pay $0 premium. It is also available for someone who has been on Social Security Disability Income (not SSI) for 24 months, those with Lou Gherig's Disease, or End-Stage Renal (kidney failure) Disease. If you go into the hospital, you are charged:
  1. Days 01-60 = $1216 (average stay 1 week)
  2. Days 61-90 = $304 per day
  3. Days 91-150 = $608 per day
  4. Days 151 on = 100% of costs
If you are sent to a Nursing Home:
  1. Days 01-20 = $0
  2. Days 21-100 = $152 per day
  3. Day 101 on = 100% (most people go on Medicaid at this point)

Part-B has the same qualifications as Part-A, but is "optional". What I mean is, if you choose NOT to take it at 65, your premium will go up 10% per year (Late Enrollment Penalty - LEP) for life. If you have a PPACA-compliant group or Exchange plan, and you choose to keep it, you will not be charged the LEP. It is either withdrawn from your Social Security Check ($104.90/month as of 2014), or you can have it billed every quarter ($104.90 x 3). This is what you will also pay:
  1. Deductible = $147
  2. Doctor visits, outpatient medical/surgical, diagnostics, etc = 20%
  3. Durable Medical Equipment = 20%
  4. Blood = first 3 pints $0 + 20% for additional pints
  5. Annual physical exams = $0
  6. Clinical laboratory services = $0
  7. Extra charges over Medicare-approved amount = 100%

Part-D (Prescription Drug Plan - PDP) is very tricky. It is not run by Medicare, but it is regulated by them, and run by private insurers. Whatever you pay in premium, they lower many of the copayments. If you do not sign up at 65, you are charged 1% per month Late Enrollment Penalty (LEP) up to 100% of average premiums (approx $35).
  1. Deductible = $310
  2. When Deductible met, Initial Coverage Phase = Generics usually under $3, Brand-Name usually under $35, Non-Preferred Brand-Name usually under $95, Specialty usually under 33%
  3. When Out-Of-Pocket reaches $2850, Coverage Gap = 72% Generic cost/47.5% Brand-Name cost
  4. When True Out-Of-Pocket (Out-Of-Pocket + discounts) reaches $4550, $2.55 Generic/$6.35 Brand-Name or 5% coinsurance

Most Retirees want to cut those costs! The first way is a Medicare Supplement (aka MedSupp or Medigap). This plan has a premium based on the plan the person chooses, what they want covered and what they want to pay for themselves. But, there are NO networks, since the only "network" is any doctor, specialist, and hospital that accepts Medicare. They do not include a PDP. They are standardized by Medicare, but they are regulated by your state. Premiums vary by state and sometimes regions within the state. They are guaranteed renewable, meaning you will not be dropped for any reason, except non-payment. They are customizable to what YOU want.

Another option is the Medicare Advantage Plan with Part-D (MAPD). These plans are regulated by Medicare, they have low copayments, usually no deductibles even for drugs, add vision and dental, may add Silver Sneakers, and they are either an HMO or PPO (networks). They are paid for by Medicare, so if budgets change, your insurer may cancel your plan, requiring you to sign up for another one with higher deductibles/copays - or switching to a Medicare Supplement. The only pre-existing condition is ESRD (above), so a person can not join an MAPD plan if they have kidney failure, but the plan will allow them to join ONLY IF they had a successful transplant. Basically, MAPD plans are "one size fits all".

Now, what if the retiree needs MORE assistance with the bills? Social Security and Medicare offer help depending on income. If your assets (not including primary home and automobile) are less than $26860 married/$13440 single, and your monthly working income is less than $1790/month, Medicare and/or Social Security will erase many of those costs. Many don't want it, but Medicare and Social Security has millions available to help low-income retirees.

Since people paid for Medicare with their hard work, they should take it and make it work for them, as soon as they turn 65. Using an agent to wade through this whole maze is a must, not some $12/hour rep at a call center, but a person who you meet and forge a business relationship with. I know agents in 49 states (not Wisconsin), if you want a referral. It is what fits YOUR budget.

Now, when can you FIRST sign up?
  • Part-A = 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI
  • Part-B = 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI. If you fail to sign up at 65, you can sign up in February for a July 1st effective date
  • Part-D = 65th birthday or January-Valentines Day
  • Medicare Supplements = 6 months before your 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI
  • MAPD = 3 months before your 65th birthday or 24 months after beginning SSDI

I welcome any and all questions. You can ask here, or privately. My qualifications: I am licensed with the Florida 2-40 Health Insurance License, and AHIP 2014 (aka Medicare Advantage and Part-D certification). I'm NOT advertising, only offering help.

Thanks so much for the helpful information.
 

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I have a really unusual situation regarding paying for medicare. I earned my 40 credits doing part time work. Because I have a pension from a state that reduces your social security to offset your pension, I only receive about 60 a month social security, not enough to pay for Medicare. They will NOT let me pay the rest with automatic deductions from checking. They send me a bill anytime from January to April for the entire year. One year they didn't send me a bill, and I almost got dropped. In fact I received a letter saying I had been dropped. My husband gets no social security, he is covered on my work record, and he is allowed to pay with monthly automatic payments. This makes no sense. We got hit with an extra amount each month of between 33 and 39$, this comes in the monthly bill, I received one bill for three months and didn't get it again, so I am going to owe a big amount of money eventually. this is something to do with the the IRMAA related to Part D and it is over and above the income related increases.
another strange thing is one year we paid totally different amounts from each other, and we always pay something slightly different than the listed costs.
 
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To the OP thank you for your explanation of the system.
 
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rapmarks - because you have varying billed amounts, I suggest going to your local Social Security office (if you haven't already) and find out what you can do to fix it. You can also apply for SSA Extra Help while there, if your assets (not primary home, car, burial plots) are less than $26k. I am not sure what else can be done.

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I believe the only way they would "fix it" is to raise the lower one. and we have assets over $26000.
 
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Just some other enrollment dates. In the original post, I talked about the Initial Enrollment Period, which begins 3 months prior to turning 65. There are Special Enrollment Periods for MAPD plans:
- Changing address (2 months prior to the move up to 1 month after)
- Gaining or losing government assistance (2 months after receiving the letter - if you get assistance you can change your plan any time but ends 2 months after you lose assistance)
- Moving into our out of a nursing home
- Going into or out of jail
- Insurer cancels your plan (begins 2 months before and up to cancellation date)
- Insurer drops in rating (2 months after Medicare informs you)

If you have a Medicare Supplement (MedSupp), most of those apply, but you can also change your MedSupp any time. If you change your MedSupp plan and it's not under the rules above, you will be subject to underwriting, which may mean higher rates and/or not covering Pre-Existing Conditions for a time.

Personally, my suggestion for the Initial Enrollment Period (IEP) is this: talk to an agent (I can do it in Florida) 4 months before your 65th Birthday. As soon as you hit 64 yrs 9 months, and you sign up for Medicare, your mailbox will be FULL of mailers from every single Medicare-based insurer wanting you to sign up with them. Then, if your situation changes (qualifying for a SEP), you can contact your agent to get everything straightened out.

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DH will be there in 4 more year. Thanks for information
 
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Talking about ESRD (End-Stage Renal Disease), which is also known as kidney failure, Medicare is almost required. The average cost is about $6000 per month if the person is without insurance! If the person is diagnosed, they MUST get Medicare ASAP. Medicare and their private insurance will coordinate to lessen the out-of-pocket expenses. But, what if the person loses their private insurance? Like I said in Post #1, Medicare Part-B has the $147 deductible, then 20%. So, in the case of Medicare (no Medicare Advantage or Medicare Supplement plan):

MONTH 1
$6000 (estimated) Total Cost
$-147 Deductible
$x0.2 Your coinsurance
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$1318 FIRST MONTH

Add the $104.90, you're looking at $1423 for the first month for JUST Dialysis. Then, $1200 per month afterwards. Add $104.90/month Part-B, your total for the year is approximately $17081, not including other Part-A or Part-B expenses.

If an ESRD patient is already on one, an MAPD plan would charge less (like no deductible), but they also have a Max Out Of Pocket (MOOP). The MAPD plan I sell in parts of Florida has a $6500 MOOP, which in this case, would be hit in a few months. So, if the person has a $6500 MOOP, their grand total would be $7758 over the year (MOOP+Part-B Premiums). That is a savings of $9,322 over basic Medicare! If the ESRD patient loses his/her MAPD plan, they must either take basic Medicare (above), or sign up for a MedSupp plan within 60 days of being notified. If they don't, they lose all ability to sign up for a MedSupp, and won't be able to get onto an MAPD unless they have a successful transplant. There are a few exceptions where a certain insurer may let a patient with ESRD join, but personally, I know of none.

The Medicare Supplement plan I sell in Florida has a Plan-F (zero out-of-pocket) for $976 per month for ESRD patients - or a grand total of $11,712 premiums. The "plus" to that is, in addition to being able to go to Dialysis and not worry about coinsurance, the person could go to their Primary Care Physician (PCP), any specialist, the hospital, etc and STILL pay nothing. That is a savings of $5,369 over basic Medicare!

Simply put, ESRD is expensive. Some may say dying is cheaper, but that's a different conversation altogether. With the expensive MedSupp Plan-F, if a person is enrolled, then is diagnosed with ESRD, they will not be charged the high rates unless they choose to change plans. An ESRD patient can not join a MAPD plan (although there are exceptions), but if they're on it when diagnosed, they won't be dropped (except if the insurer cancels the plan for everyone).

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Luckily, I also have Federal Employee Plan BCBS. Between the two I have only Rx's to pay for. The FEP has a mail order Rx part that you only pay a set amount. Before my Rx for Cellcept went generic I paid $80 for 3 months (90 days). Non-insurance price was almost $1000/ month. Now the generic is $10 for 3 months.
 
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