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bailey

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Help :eek: I need advice. Daughter just got DUI. Was pulled over going 35 in a 30 mile zone. The breath analyzer was .11, I think legal limit is .08. First offense, last year of college, never ever in trouble before.
We are thinking of obtaining an attorney to represent her at the DMV hearing and at court. Fees are about $750 for the lawyer. People are telling us that there is less than a 1% chance of having an attorney making any difference.

Any experience or advice would be appreciated.
 
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Get an attorney to represent her at both. This is particularly true if the criminal matter is unresolved at the time of her hearing at DMV. Any statements that she makes at the hearing and/or in her criminal case can be used against her in the other proceeding. Protect her and pay for an attorney.
 
Consult with an attorney about the case. Some cases are cut-and-dried; others less so. In California I was foreman of a DUI jury about 20 years ago where we failed to convict despite a 0.15 breathalyzer reading.

In that case, the individual passed all of the field sobriety tests and the arresting officer failed to sufficiently differentiate the field behavior of the defendant from the characteristics or a normal non-inebriated person. The BA test took place about an hour after the accident, at the police station.

Because of the circumstances at the time of arrest, it was actually pretty easy to establish reasonable doubt the individual was over the limit at the time of the arrest. He probably was, but the standard is higher than "probable". But, had the arresting officer's report as much as said, "although he passed the walking his swaying during test was greater than the swaying of a normal uninebriated person", we would have convicted in about a half an hour.

An experienced attorney can evaluate the case and tell assess whether the case is worth pursuing. BTW - I would pay the attorney for his or her time assessing the case. I wouldn't use one of those "we'll reiew your case for free" offers. You want an unbiased straight opinion from an expert, and for the best result you should be willing to pay the person for their work.
 
Additionally, the hiring of a lawyer is a predictor of a trial. Public prosecutors do not like trials and may offer a plea bargain; especially if the record shows normally responsible driving. Unfortunately, when a person beats a DUI sometimes it doesn't send the wake up call to stop driving and drinking.
 
nightnurse613 said:
Additionally, the hiring of a lawyer is a predictor of a trial. Public prosecutors do not like trials and may offer a plea bargain; especially if the record shows normally responsible driving.

I was being polled, in California, for a DUI where the man had alledgedly been pulled over for drunk driving, and was also being charged with assault as he had charged the officer. Prior to the jury being selected it was plea bargined down to disorderly conduct and he agreed to get alcohol counciling.

I would recommend the attorney for this reason: At her age she is not going to want a DUI on her record. Many employers pull driving records for potential hires. Besides making her ineligable to drive for a company in any capacity (including just driving to the bank, or taking a client to lunch) it could effect a decision not to hire her. Some employers don't want to bother with people who don't have pristine records.

Disclaimer: Pulling a driving record for a potential, or existing employee, is subject to privacy laws. Many employers have a waiver to pull this information written into an employment application. I am not saying everyone who does it complies with the law, but it is something to consider in your decision about hiring an attorney to represent your daughter.
 
IMO, she needs an lawyer but......I'd have her pay for it. ALL of it. The one thing both our kids understand is that we'll be there to help them if they need it but, if they're not using their heads then I expect them to cough up the cash to get themselves out of trouble.

Mom and dad bank and trust is always open but, it will be paid back on time and in equal, regular payments. Otherwise their credit goes down the tubes and the rules and limits for loans changes for the worse.

Fortunately neither has had to face the wake up call of a DUI but, I'm afraid both will find out the hard way at some point in time.
 
I agree totally with the sentiments expressed above by dougp.
Most people will support their kids financially and psychologically through what is going to be a very tough time. She does need to learn, and learn quickly, that she has to take responsibility, financially and in all other ways, for her actions.
To me DUI is one of the most reckless things anybody can do and I have very little sympathy for anybody who does it and gets caught. That doesn't mean I wouldn't help if it was one of mine :(
 
Absolutely get her a lawyer. And make sure she pays for it.

And have a long talk with her.
 
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Thanks everyone for your advice. She has an appointment today @ 2pm to talk to an attorney...and yes she is paying for it herself. (She didn't even ask me to, she is picking up some extra days at work and working during spring break. She does realize that it was a stupid decision on her part and is taking full responsibility for it).
 
Well, if you think she is at all likely to do this again (even a .000001 % chance), make sure she is no longer living under your roof as a dependent, and hopefully your name is nowhere on the vehicle. If she'd hurt someone or damaged property, you would be sued too.
 
Gadabout said:
...make sure she is no longer living under your roof as a dependent....
Huh? Kick an apparently responsible daughter out of the house because she made one mistake? No thanks!
 
Get your name off the title of the car and insurance yes. Kick them out of the house no. I would think it would be pretty tough to go after someone just because you lived under the same roof. Unless of course it could be shown that you supported the activity such as providing the alcohol that got them the DUI.
 
I would have her get an attny BUT I would make her do all the calling and paying. I know you said its her first offense--whether its her first time driving under the influence or not is another question. She and others on the road may have gotten a lucky break that she got pulled over for going over speed limit. I don't mean to be a mean old grump here but there are way too many accidents and lots resulting in deaths because of a DUI
 
Speaking as a parent and a college admin it is good that she hired an attorney. Normally they lose their license for a certain period of time.
Depending on the state laws this may get reduced to reckless driving from DUI because of an Atty. She may also be required to attend and pay for an alcohol education class plus probation then drop off her record after a certain number of years.

A lesson she will never forget that also effect employment. She needs parental support right now. Her guilt ,loss of license and financial burden combined with court will be punishment enough.
 
We just went though this but in Michigan, not California. Total cost after all was done: about $5,000. First there was the lawyer ($1,500), then the court costs ($1500), then $1,000 for two years drivers license, then $123. for license reinstatement fees, $275 for an counselor's assessment fee, $270 for probation officer, $150 for counseling weekend. And who knows if our insurance went up. Plus 3 different days in court so off work for 3 days. Many of these charges are mandatory in state of Mich. We were glad we had a lawyer because it was someone to ask questions of. But his fee was certainly only the beginning. The good thing is our son learned his lesson (he's 22). He was trying to take a friend home after a wedding reception (about 1/4 mile) and in this town the cops stop everyone that's out driving that time of night. We got him all the way through college with no loans but now he owes us big time. It was a bad decision on his part, but we'll always be there to help and support him and he can move back home anytime he wants. I don't know what he would have done without us and it's actually drawn us much closer. He realizes we have helped him BIG time.
 
Bailey, I'm glad you are getting a lawyer. You didn't mention your daughter's age. There is a big difference between being under 21 and over 21 in California law.
Liz
 
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She's 22.

All good points. Thanks. I do feel that the experience of going to jail may be enough to make her think twice or maybe five times about doing that again. On her behalf, she did go to a friends house for a few hours before she drove and thought that she was ok when she left. It is a lesson for everyone...even when we think we are ok to drive, we may not be. She is very tiny and I'm sure that alcohol affects her more than it would a 250 lb. man.
 
A couple of points:
Does Calif have and ARD program (1 year probation then record is expunged - except from Insurance and future tickets!)? Your lawyer should know the answer.

Check with your insurance co (without giving them a lot of details - use a what if scenario) to see how high your insurance will go up. It may to drop her from your insurance (yes - she will not be allowed to drive your car for any reason)

Make sure that after you have real heart to heart talk with her - she sees a really good alcohol and substance abuse cousellor. Your family doctor should be able to refer you to someone. This is not just a "silly mistake" - this is a fore-runner of a potentially serious drinking problem. I know - we took the same path of "talking" and our son dropped out of college as an alcoholic.

I hope that everything works out for both of you.
 
I just sat on a jury two weeks ago here in LA County on a DUI trial where a mis-trial occured because we did not get a full concensus on guilt....9 guilty 3 not guilty...The fellow blew 4 times barely over the limit, but the arresting CHP officer made some mistakes in the arrest and the paperwork that the 3 not guilty folks couldn't get over. But we did all have the same concensus that the young fellow hopefully learned a great lesson from the whole experience.
 
My son was recently in the same situation in NY, where a DWI is a misdemeanor, i.e. gives you a criminal record. He got an attorney who specializes in these matters ($3K). He was able to get it knocked down to a traffic violation. My son still lost his license for 3 months, had to pay a fine ($1K) and go to 7 classes, but no criminal record.
 
I know the situation is different here in the UK as there is no such thing as plea bargaining. If found guilty of DUI (drink driving in the UK) it is an automatic ban of at least 12 months and expect motor insurance costs to double or possibly treble. It would take around 5 years to get motor insurance down to pre offence levels.
Most companies where any driving is required would not take on an employee with a DUI conviction even when they got their licence back.
 
T_R_Oglodyte said:
I would pay the attorney for his or her time assessing the case. I wouldn't use one of those "we'll reiew your case for free" offers. You want an unbiased straight opinion from an expert, and for the best result you should be willing to pay the person for their work.

Just FYI - Some of the best attorneys I know don't necessarily charge for an initial consultation. It's important to be willing to pay a person for their time and expertise, but whether or not they charge for an initial consultation isn't necessarily an indicator of bias, or expertise, or results, or anything else.
 
Help :eek: I need advice. Daughter just got DUI. Was pulled over going 35 in a 30 mile zone. The breath analyzer was .11, I think legal limit is .08. First offense, last year of college, never ever in trouble before.
We are thinking of obtaining an attorney to represent her at the DMV hearing and at court. Fees are about $750 for the lawyer. People are telling us that there is less than a 1% chance of having an attorney making any difference.

Any experience or advice would be appreciated.
What should I do if I'm stopped for DUI?"
Nationally-known California DUI defense attorney Lawrence Taylor, author of the legal textbook Drunk Driving Defense, 6th edition, offers 5 tips:
• Politely decline to answer questions without an attorney (only incriminating answers will be in the police report).
• Decline to take any field sobriety tests (not required by law and rarely helps you).
• Unless you are under 21, decline to take any handheld breath test not required by law.
• Agree to take a required "evidentiary" breath test (blood test if confident you are under .08%).
• Make sure your attorney calls the DMV Driver Safety Office within 10 days and demands a hearing to contest your license suspension
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Procedurally, you should be aware of certain legal rights you have — rights which are commonly ignored by the police:
• There must be legally sufficient facts to constitute "probable cause" to stop, detain and arrest you.
• You should be advised that submission to field sobriety testing and portable field breath testing is not required by law.
• Once arrested, you must be advised of your constitutional rights — the "Miranda" warning — before any further questioning takes place.
• You must be given a choice of breath or blood testing; if you refuse, you must be advised of the legal consequences (the "implied consent" advisement).
• If a breath test is administered at the police station, since the breath sample is not saved, you must be given a chance to obtain a blood sample for later independent testing by your defense attorney.
When a California driver is arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol, his driver's license is immediately confiscated by the police and he is served with the DMV's "Notice of Suspension". This one-page document (fine print on both sides) serves to (1) formally suspend the license, (2) provide a temporary driving privilege for 30 days, and (3) explain some aspects of the applicable law. Buried in this fine print on the back side is the most important legal provision: there is a right to an administrative hearing to contest the suspension and force the DMV to return the license — but only if the individual or his DWI attorney contacts the DMV's local Driver Safety Office (DSO) and formally demands a hearing WITHIN 10 CALENDAR DAYS of the arrest. If the call is not made, on the eleventh day the right to contest the suspension is lost and it will begin 30 days from the arrest regardless of any possible defenses.
This immediate suspension is for either (1) having .08% or higher blood-alcohol (.01% for drivers under 21); (2) providing a blood or urine sample when the officer believes the eventual analysis will be .08% or higher; or (3) refusing to take a chemical test. This is referred to as an administrative suspension (or sometimes "administrative per se" or "APS" suspension), and is to be distinguished form a license suspension or restriction
which may (and probably will) later occur in the criminal courts — in addition to the administrative suspension.
Insurance Rates Double
if your insurer does find out about a driving under the influence (DUI) conviction, you're likely to feel the pinch of higher rates and possibly policy cancellation or non-renewal. Rates can be doubled or tripled, although this may be a price-gouging tactic. Shopping around will definitely yield the lowest rate, as they vary greatly.
There are two ways insurance companies generally deal with customers convicted of DUI. First, your insurer will likely raise your insurance premiums and label you a high-risk driver if it finds out you've been convicted of DUI. In this case, you'll likely have to file proof of insurance for three — sometimes five — years with your state's department of motor vehicles.

National Driver Register
http://www.nhtsa.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/menuitem.f27748441b1ad09d07b2e610cba046a0/
The National Driver Register (NDR) is a computerized database of information about drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs. State motor vehicle agencies provide NDR with the names of individuals who have lost their privilege or who have been convicted of a serious traffic violation. When a person applies for a driver's license the state checks to see if the name is on the NDR file. If a person has been reported to the NDR as a problem driver, the license may be denied.

Will the DUI conviction show up in a background search of my criminal record?
Yes, it will show up for insurance companies when you try to buy insurance.
Yes, it will show up when you apply for a driver's license renewal
Yes, it will show up to police and courts if you commit any new criminal offense, so it may increase the sentence you would receive for a 2nd offense of any type.
Yes, it will show up on a pre-employment background search if you apply for a job that requires you to drive.
Yes, it may show up on any pre-employment screening because many companies get your written permission during your job application.
 
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