2012 DC Club Dues due date - 12/10/11

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

There are a couple interesting tidbits using the "Owner Tips" link in today's edition of the Marriott Vacation Club Insider newsletter. The most important seems to be this:

If you fail to pay your Club Dues, you'll lose your status as an Enrolled Owner and will no longer be able to use Vacation Club Points — plus, if you want to re-enroll in the program again, you'll need to pay the current enrollment fee. That's why it's so important to keep an eye out for your Club Dues bills. Look for yours after November 1, and make sure to make your payment before December 10, 2011.

This confirms that once enrolled, an owner can choose to un-enroll (by not paying the Club Dues) and then re-enroll again (by paying the current enrollment fee.) Plus I think this is the first time that they've included a chart comparing the per/transaction fees of un-enrolled Weeks to the Club Dues of enrolled Weeks, and really played up the benefit of enrolling Weeks simply to save on fees:

... One of the benefits of enrolling your week(s) in the Marriott Vacation Club Destinations™ Exchange Program is that your reservation fees are consolidated into a single annual fee called Club Dues. ...

Current Fee - Current Amount - Included in Club Dues?

Membership with Interval International - $89 - Yes

Internal Exchange with Interval International - $119 - Yes

Lock-off fee or Split-week fee - $80 each - Yes

Reservation change / cancellation fee - $35 - Yes

Trade for Marriott Rewards points fee - $119 - Yes

External Exchange with Interval International - $169/174 - No

There's also another interesting chart using a "Benefits at a Glance" link in the newsletter but as you can see, I don't know how to copy imbedded charts. This one won't set up as cleanly as the one above so if anyone knows a way to copy it as is to here, it's a pretty good reference for DC Points usage according to Owner/Premier/Premier Plus status.

jimf41 · Oct 20, 2011

Thanks for the reminder Sue. I think mine get billed automatically to the Chase Marriott card. While looking at the site and going to the "View your benefits at a glance" link it seems they are mixing apples and oranges with the trust vs legacy benefits. At one spot it says I can trade 75% of my DC points for MRP's but I seem to remember that was only for trust point owners.

It also says I can get 45% off on a rental if I use my Chase card. That's a new one to me. I guess I'm going to have to call the VOA.

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

What a coincidence - those are the two that caught my eye, too! With the MRP maybe they think it's clear enough that if you're an Enrolled owner, you can exchange your Week(s) for either DC or MR Points but you can't exchange MRP from enrolled/converted Week(s) for DC Points. Well, it IS clear enough if you read all the rules in the docs but this chart sure muddies those waters.

And about the rental discount (which we make pretty good use of) - I knew past Insiders had a few different one-time discounts but this is the first time that I remember seeing percentage-off discounts across the board. (Of course, subject to availability.) The MOD discount for un-enrolled Weeks has been 25% with an additional 10% if you use the Marriott VISA. Now this chart says that for Enrolled owners and DC Points purchasers, the rental discount is 25% for Owners, 30% for Premier and 35% for Premier Plus with an additional 10% for any owner if you use your Marriott VISA. Does anyone know if using the MOD discount at marriott.com will work to pull up the DC-related discounts automatically, or must we call a VOA?

Also, we use our Marriott VISA like you probably do to pay all our Marriott-related fee but I didn't know you could set up auto-pay for the DC dues. Will have to look into that ...

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I managed somehow to save this nifty chart as a file to my desktop which I think can be linked here, but I don't want to do something that might give access to my my-vacationclub.com account or computer! How can I tell if it's safe to put that link here?

windje2000 · Oct 20, 2011

SueDonJ said:
What a coincidence - those are the two that caught my eye, too! With the MRP maybe they think it's clear enough that if you're an Enrolled owner, you can exchange your Week(s) for either DC or MR Points but you can't exchange MRP from enrolled/converted Week(s) for DC Points. Well, it IS clear enough if you read all the rules in the docs but this chart sure muddies those waters.

And about the rental discount (which we make pretty good use of) - I knew past Insiders had a few different one-time discounts but this is the first time that I remember seeing percentage-off discounts across the board. (Of course, subject to availability.) The MOD discount for un-enrolled Weeks has been 25% with an additional 10% if you use the Marriott VISA. Now this chart says that for Enrolled owners and DC Points purchasers, the rental discount is 25% for Owners, 30% for Premier and 35% for Premier Plus with an additional 10% for any owner if you use your Marriott VISA. Does anyone know if using the MOD discount at marriott.com will work to pull up the DC-related discounts automatically, or must we call a VOA?

Also, we use our Marriott VISA like you probably do to pay all our Marriott-related fee but I didn't know you could set up auto-pay for the DC dues. Will have to look into that ...

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I managed somehow to save this nifty chart as a file to my desktop which I think can be linked here, but I don't want to do something that might give access to my my-vacationclub.com account or computer! How can I tell if it's safe to put that link here?

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/enewsletters/september_2011_premier_plus.htm

Is this the Link to the newsletter that you and jimf are posting about?

If so, where is the chart?

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

windje2000 said:
https://www.my-vacationclub.com/common/vc/en-us/enewsletters/september_2011_premier_plus.htm

Is this the Link to the newsletter that you and jimf are posting about?

If so, where is the chart?

Hmmm, that one is from September, the one we're talking about is this one which is October's newsletter that I got in email last night. (I tried changing the "September" in your link's web address to "October", the way someone else said it could be done when we talked about this before, but it didn't work.) If my link works here then try clicking on "Owner Tips" under "Helpful links" in the column on the left, and then click on the the "View Your Benefits at a Glance" link on that page to pull up the chart.

windje2000 · Oct 20, 2011

SueDonJ said:
Hmmm, that one is from September, the one we're talking about is this one which is October's newsletter that I got in email last night. (I tried changing the "September" in your link's web address to "October", the way someone else said it could be done when we talked about this before, but it didn't work.) If my link works here then try clicking on "Owner Tips" under "Helpful links" in the column on the left, and then click on the the "View Your Benefits at a Glance" link on that page to pull up the chart.

Thank you

I do not receive these emails, couldn't find the link to the newsletter you posted. Guess I just don't rate the courtesy of an email.

I guess I feel about the same way about that as you do about XYZ

EDITED TO ADD: I noticed the link you posted is to a page in marriottvacationclub.com. When I went to that web address and logged in, I was transported away to my-vacationclub.com, where I found the link I posted.

https://www.my-vacationclub.com/en-us/owners/eNewsletter.jsp

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

windje2000 said:
Thank you

I do not receive these emails, couldn't find the link to the newsletter you posted. Guess I just don't rate the courtesy of an email.

I guess I feel about the same way about that as you do about XYZ

Don't blame you a bit for that - just be careful when you're banging your head against the desk in frustration.

tiel · Oct 20, 2011

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KathyPet · Oct 20, 2011

Here is my understanding. Tell me if I am wrong. FOr those of us who have Legacy weeks who enrolled in DC points we continue to trade for MR rewards points exactly the way we always have. If your resort allows you to trade yearly for MR points then you can. If every other year then you can. You still trade your week for MR as you always have. The fact that you are enrolled in DC points actually has no impact on your trades for MR points. You cannot trade legacy weeks for DC points and then trade those for MR points.

dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

2012 DC Club Dues due date - 12/10/11

Merry Christmas from Marriott. Of course if you miss it, Marriott becomes the Grinch. I don't mean to sound negative, but I really hope that if someone is late with the annual fee that they do have a grace period before you have to re-enroll.

dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

KathyPet said:
Here is my understanding. Tell me if I am wrong. FOr those of us who have Legacy weeks who enrolled in DC points we continue to trade for MR rewards points exactly the way we always have. If your resort allows you to trade yearly for MR points then you can. If every other year then you can. You still trade your week for MR as you always have. The fact that you are enrolled in DC points actually has no impact on your trades for MR points. You cannot trade legacy weeks for DC points and then trade those for MR points.

This is correct for developer purchasers. Resale owners gain the ability to trade their weeks for MRP. You are correct in regard to legacy owners not being able to convert to DC and then to MRPs.

dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

SueDonJ said:
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I managed somehow to save this nifty chart as a file to my desktop which I think can be linked here, but I don't want to do something that might give access to my my-vacationclub.com account or computer! How can I tell if it's safe to put that link here?

The links don't appear to link to my-vacationclub.com. They go to Marriottvacationclub.com. So posting a link wouldn't give any access to your account.

You are pretty safe to link to any part of your my-vacationclub.com account. The user won't have access to your information. If the information requires login, it will prompt the person to enter their user name and password unless they are already logged in.

Here is a link to the nifty chart:
http://www.marriottvacationclub.com/landing/email/insider/2011-10/standard.shtml?loc=HQ59*1-2SJA2O&cid=email-mvc-owners-insider-standard-2011-oct-tl-owner-tips&feature=8

windje2000 · Oct 20, 2011

dioxide45 said:
2012 DC Club Dues due date - 12/10/11

Merry Christmas from Marriott. Of course if you miss it, Marriott becomes the Grinch. I don't mean to sound negative, but I really hope that if someone is late with the annual fee that they do have a grace period before you have to re-enroll.

It may well be the plan is for MAR to collect the dues $ before VAC is spun off, so they can keep the money in MAR.

dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

windje2000 said:
It may well be the plan is for MAR to collect the dues $ before VAC is spun off, so they can keep the money in MAR.

I had considered this. It would help MAR fourth quarter results.

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

windje2000 said:
It may well be the plan is for MAR to collect the dues $ before VAC is spun off, so they can keep the money in MAR.

dioxide45 said:
I had considered this. It would help MAR fourth quarter results.

Hmmmmm. I've thought all along that any and every number related to the timeshares would just morph over to VAC when it's spun off. Are you saying now that MAR can finagle the numbers so that credits from timeshares can stay with MAR even after the spin-off? Or are you saying that MAR wants the Club Dues collected before the spin-off date so that MAR's 4th quarter - with the timeshare segments included - reflects that income?

I hate how it's possible for folks to find ulterior motives every time Marriott makes a new announcement. Honestly, I just thought that with the DC up and running for two Club Dues cycles now, Marriott has decided on a due date a month before the MF due dates for Weeks. That seemed like enough of an advantage for MAR over the individual resorts' HOA's. Didn't think anything at all about the spin-off ...

dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

SueDonJ said:
Hmmmmm. I've thought all along that any and every number related to the timeshares would just morph over to VAC when it's spun off. Are you saying now that MAR can finagle the numbers so that credits from timeshares can stay with MAR even after the spin-off? Or are you saying that MAR wants the Club Dues collected before the spin-off date so that MAR's 4th quarter - with the timeshare segments included - reflects that income?

Implying that MAR wants club dues collected before spinoff date so their results look better with the timeshare segment included.

I hate how it's possible for folks to find ulterior motives every time Marriott makes a new announcement.

It wouldn't be any fun if we didn't

Honestly, I just thought that with the DC up and running for two Club Dues cycles now, Marriott has decided on a due date a month before the MF dues for Weeks. That seemed like enough of an advantage for MAR over the individual resorts' HOA's. Didn't think anything at all about the spin-off ...

I am not sure why they landed on December 10th as the due date for DC club dues. I would have preferred it sometime in to the new year or sometime in the spring or summer. I think a lot of people will miss these dues because they are due around the same time as HOA maintenance fees. The two sets of dues due around the same time will be confusing to many.

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

dioxide45 said:
The links don't appear to link to my-vacationclub.com. They go to Marriottvacationclub.com. So posting a link wouldn't give any access to your account.

You are pretty safe to link to any part of your my-vacationclub.com account. The user won't have access to your information. If the information requires login, it will prompt the person to enter their user name and password unless they are already logged in.

Here is a link to the nifty chart:
http://www.marriottvacationclub.com/landing/email/insider/2011-10/standard.shtml?loc=HQ59*1-2SJA2O&cid=email-mvc-owners-insider-standard-2011-oct-tl-owner-tips&feature=8

Thanks. Windje said the same thing you did, that my links are probably safe because of the difference between marriottvacationclub.com and my-vacationclub.com, and because of the log-in required for our accounts.

But if I click on your link I still have to click on the "View Your Benefits at a Glance" link on the page that comes up, in order to get to the nifty chart with Owner/Premier/Premier Plus status benefits. (After all this that chart is probably going to look ridiculous - and so will I. Folks are going to wonder why I think it's worth eighty-seven posts in a thread, and I'll have to agree because it's a nifty thing but it's not nearly Award Winning.

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dioxide45 · Oct 20, 2011

SueDonJ said:
Thanks. Windje said the same thing you did, that my links are probably safe because of the difference between marriottvacationclub.com and my-vacationclub.com, and because of the log-in required for our accounts.

But if I click on your link I still have to click on the "View Your Benefits at a Glance" link on the page that comes up, in order to get to the nifty chart with Owner/Premier/Premier Plus status benefits. (After all this that chart is probably going to look ridiculous - and so will I. Folks are going to wonder why I think it's worth eighty-seven posts in a thread, and I'll have to agree because it's a nifty thing but it's not nearly Award Winning. )

I misunderstood, I thought the nifty chart you were referring to was the one showing the fees included in club fee. Not sure how I did that, but I did.

That chart you are referring to is some type of popup java script or something. So it isn't possible to link directly to it.

SueDonJ · Oct 20, 2011

dioxide45 said:
I misunderstood, I thought the nifty chart you were referring to was the one showing the fees included in club fee. Not sure how I did that, but I did.

That chart you are referring to is some type of popup java script or something. So it isn't possible to link directly to it.

:hysterical: See?! What a waste of posts!

m61376 · Oct 21, 2011

Though the potentially large discount on reservations does justify all the posts; I sure would like to know how that works. Are enrolled owners seeing a higher discount with the MOD code?

dioxide45 · Oct 21, 2011

m61376 said:
Though the potentially large discount on reservations does justify all the posts; I sure would like to know how that works. Are enrolled owners seeing a higher discount with the MOD code?

The problem is that no one really knows how to book this new discounted rate. Do you call your VOA? It doesn't appear they have provided a discount code to use on Marriott.com for the discount. It seems that perhaps these discounts are only available on MVCI properties?

windje2000 · Oct 21, 2011

SueDonJ said:
Hmmmmm. I've thought all along that any and every number related to the timeshares would just morph over to VAC when it's spun off. Are you saying now that MAR can finagle the numbers so that credits from timeshares can stay with MAR even after the spin-off? Or are you saying that MAR wants the Club Dues collected before the spin-off date so that MAR's 4th quarter - with the timeshare segments included - reflects that income?

MAR wants to collect as much cash as it can from VAC customers before the spin. It can keep more when the spin takes place.

I hate how it's possible for folks to find ulterior motives every time Marriott makes a new announcement. Honestly, I just thought that with the DC up and running for two Club Dues cycles now, Marriott has decided on a due date a month before the MF due dates for Weeks. That seemed like enough of an advantage for MAR over the individual resorts' HOA's. Didn't think anything at all about the spin-off ...

Somebody selected December 10, a date very likely before the spin occurs, for a reason.

Read the Form 10.

MAR is doing everything it can to suck cash or other benefits out of VAC before the transaction.

Part of the spin transaction involves the sale of $40 million of mandatorily redeemable 10% preferred stock by the US holding company of VAC. The proceeds of the sale will be retained by MAR.

MAR will retain the tax loss carryforwards (~$300MM) as a result of this transaction.

(Sources: Page 53, Form 10 - Second Amendment filed 9/30/11, Tax Sharing and Indemnification Agreement, Pages 162-163, Fourth Paragraph)

Add a $50MM+ annual license fee from VAC to MAR for the name.

That's a giant sucking sound you hear . . . as cash is heading to MAR from VAC.

Sue, be careful who you are rooting for. There's a distinction to be made between MAR and VAC.

windje2000 · Oct 21, 2011

dioxide45 said:
I had considered this. It would help MAR fourth quarter results.

Reported earnings reflect accrual basis recognition of revenues. Revenues under GAAP are recognized when earned and a one year membership should be recognized in 4 quarterly pieces over a fiscal year. That process does not necessarily coincide with the collection of cash.

That 12/10 date was not randomly selected. MAR can go forward separately with more cash if VAC customers pay dues before rather than after the spin.

BocaBoy · Oct 21, 2011

Marriott said someplace when the DC club was introduced that annual dues would be billed in October for the following year. I was surprised when it was delayed last year. The current timing does not seem to be an acceleration from what was contemplated all along.

SueDonJ · Oct 21, 2011

m61376 said:
Though the potentially large discount on reservations does justify all the posts; I sure would like to know how that works. Are enrolled owners seeing a higher discount with the MOD code?

dioxide45 said:
The problem is that no one really knows how to book this new discounted rate. Do you call your VOA? It doesn't appear they have provided a discount code to use on Marriott.com for the discount. It seems that perhaps these discounts are only available on MVCI properties?

I tried marriott.com for a single night, 1/3/12, 6 ppl at Hilton Head with the MOD code. All eight of the MVCI properties came up with the 35% "Special Owner Discount Rate using Marriott VISA" and the 25% "MVCI Owner Discount Rate." None showed the 45% discount rate for Premier Plus status. (No hotels came up but I wasn't expecting them anyway with 6 ppl, and the MOD discount happens few and far between with hotels.)

My plan will be to search marriott.com first and then call a VOA to try to get the higher DC Owner discount for any room that shows as being eligible for the MVCI Owner discount rate. I'll try to remember to post about the experience when the time comes.

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