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Body scanners and full body pat-downs

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Anyone experience this yet? I read that the new full body pat-downs took effect Oct 30th for anyone not wanting to go through the ody scan machines.

The Body scan machines appear to be very invasive to privacy. I also read there's radiation concerns. If we "opt-out" of the body scan, I hear the new TSA pat down procedures are akin to groping...

I for one an rethinking any plans to fly... however, my wife and kids are supposed to go to Argentina this sumer and I don't like the options.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...he-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance/65390/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...rt-pat-downs-the-new-tsa-rules-are-a-mistake/

http://jalopnik.com/5675907/tomorrow-the-tsa-can-aggressively-pat-down-your-genitals
 
My wife (we are in our 60s) has had double knee replacement and has had both the body scan and a detail full body pat-down and prefers the full body scan.
 
riverdees05 said:
My wife (we are in our 60s) has had double knee replacement and has had both the body scan and a detail full body pat-down and prefers the full body scan.
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I heard the pat-down is pretty bad. However, I have a problem with the full body scan... I feel it's an illegal search and violates my rights and the constitution (...call me a right wing extremist...). Then again, I feel the same about the pat-down. lol.
 
My mom and sister flew out of Newark yesterday. They didn't have the body scanner or the full pat down.
 
We have done both and neither seems any big deal to my wife or I. I guess that is from all those years in locker rooms for Basketball and other sports.:D

If you don't like the process, I guess you are SOL since I see no reason it will change nor should it IMHO. All I can see is a bunch of lawyers getting semi rich filling suits that will get nowhere.

Cheers
 
kasteer said:
Anyone experience this yet? I read that the new full body pat-downs took effect Oct 30th for anyone not wanting to go through the ody scan machines.

The Body scan machines appear to be very invasive to privacy. I also read there's radiation concerns. If we "opt-out" of the body scan, I hear the new TSA pat down procedures are akin to groping...
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We flew back from Dallas the first day they started {11/30.2010} this after the failed bomb tries.:eek:

After having one people might stop complaining about the scan which most people complaining never had at this point. I asked about the scan but they don't have it in DFW airport at this time so your options are simple,do it or don't fly! You still have choices like take a train or bus! :ponder:

They did touch me but the man was very upfront and nice about it and I would rather have this than a bomb on my plane! They didn't do my wife though and while she watched I told them to make her watch because this was close to fore play when we first got married 29 years ago. They did their job wearing rubber gloves and I had no problem with it.

PHILL12
 
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No one is forcing us to fly. Drive a car and you have to have a driver's license. Travel out of the country and you need a passport. Fly and you have to go through a body scan. All these are ok with me.

George
 
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I have no issue with the body scan. Yes, the scanner provides a fairly graphic image of your body.

Hey, if the TSA agent is that hard up for a peek at my 44-year old out of shape body, go for it. I just want to get on the plane so I can start my vacation.
 
Exactly, Lisa - it's just like going to the Dr. for your yearly exam. No one enjoys it, but I'm not much worried that my Dr. is getting a thrill out of it, either! :D
 
I had it done when I departed from Logan on my trip to Florida last week.

I did it willingly, but wondered if nurses or similar (with security training) , would be more appropriate to do the pat-downs ? Yes, there's a nursing shortage, but I would prefer to be patted down by a medical person.

There was a man who was almost enraged at the idea of having this done when I was waiting to be scanned.

Not a total solution, but an idea that may help to alleviate some of the reaction to being touched in personal areas by non-medical folks.

I always get pulled out, always.
 
My husband and I had to go through the body scanners on a recent trip to Albuquerque. It was not that big a deal to us, but my sister is now rethinking a trip to Hawaii this spring because of them. In addition to the reasons already listed, she is concerned about the levels of radiation.
 
My wife says full body pat downs vary a lot of airport to airport. Her last on on Kona was by far the most extensive that she has had to date. Really detailed!
 
The discussion and links in the Travel and Security forum on FlyerTalk.com on this topic are numerous and enlightening, and I don't have the time to repeat them here. Please check them out.

So far, I've been able to avoid the nude-o-scopes. But I'm sure one of these times I'll be bullied into that line instead of the metal detector. However, I refuse to undergo radiation from machines that have not been independently tested for safety and that radiologists and medical personnel advise against using. Maybe if you fly only once a year, they're not a health problem, only an invasion of privacy. But for those of us who fly frequently, they are likely to cause cancer in a few years. (Of course, nobody knows for sure because they haven't been tested; instead, we're the guinea pigs.) The TSA is using invasive pat downs akin to sexual assault to intimidate people into going through the new machines.

So our choices have become:
(1) Get radiated.
(2) Endure groping that would be sexual assault in other context.
(3) Quit flying.

I can't quit flying totally because it's necessary for my business. But I'm canceling leisure trips and driving when I can. Next year I'll drop from UA 1K to 1P status, and it's likely I won't keep 1P in 2012 if this security theater continues.

I'm not flying the day before Thanksgiving, but I support National Opt-out Day, http://www.optoutday.com.
 
linsj said:
.... However, I refuse to undergo radiation from machines that have not been independently tested for safety and that radiologists and medical personnel advise against using. Maybe if you fly only once a year, they're not a health problem, only an invasion of privacy. But for those of us who fly frequently, they are likely to cause cancer in a few years. (Of course, nobody knows for sure because they haven't been tested; instead, we're the guinea pigs.)
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The radiation from the scan concerns me also. I would much prefer the pat down.

The TSA is using invasive pat downs akin to sexual assault to intimidate people into going through the new machines.

So our choices have become:
(1) Get radiated.
(2) Endure groping that would be sexual assault in other context.
(3) Quit flying.
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I haven't experienced a 'pat down' but surely they can't be that bad. I'm imagining that you stand fully clothed and they gently pat your entire body :shrug: .

Personally I feel sorry for the poor workers doing this job, it doesn't sound very enjoyable.


Beaglemom3 said:
I did it willingly, but wondered if nurses or similar (with security training) , would be more appropriate to do the pat-downs ? Yes, there's a nursing shortage, but I would prefer to be patted down by a medical person.

There was a man who was almost enraged at the idea of having this done when I was waiting to be scanned.

Not a total solution, but an idea that may help to alleviate some of the reaction to being touched in personal areas by non-medical folks.
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I can understand (well, sort of understand) that some people may prefer to be patted by a nurse or medical person. Personally, I'd be wondering what sort of nurse would spend 4 years at university then apply for a job patting people at the airport. I'd really be worried by the pat downs then :D .
 
CarolF said:
The radiation from the scan concerns me also. I would much prefer the pat down.



I haven't experienced a 'pat down' but surely they can't be that bad. I'm imagining that you stand fully clothed and they gently pat your entire body :shrug: .

Personally I feel sorry for the poor workers doing this job, it doesn't sound very enjoyable.




I can understand (well, sort of understand) that some people may prefer to be patted by a nurse or medical person. Personally, I'd be wondering what sort of nurse would spend 4 years at university then apply for a job patting people at the airport. I'd really be worried by the pat downs then :D .
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Not all nurses are from 4 year programs. Not all nurses want to stay in nursing. As a master's prepared (6 yrs) NP with 30 years of nursing (I left to attend law school) , I can say that laid-off, burnt out, retired or fed up nurses may be interested in using their degree(s), diplomas (or even LPNs -8-15 months) to earn salary and benefits.

But ,we digress.........................


There's no choice at Logan, you get both the pat down and the scan.
Until you've had one, at least a bad one, you may not understand fully. The one at Logan was a bit more than required including upper and lower naughty parts (a medical term :D ). Getting back to the OP, it is intrusive and I am not totally convinced how effective this is. When they start the body cavity searches, I'll just take Amtrak ~ :hysterical:
 
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Beaglemom3 said:
When they start the body cavity searches, I'll just take Amtrak ~ :hysterical:
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Hey Beags, I just heard on the news that they are going to start doing the same thing for Amtrak passengers! :rofl:
 
They now have them at SeaTac and due to the radiation concerns we will not go through them and I am not looking forward to a pat down either. I am not sure how they handle children and I am very uncomfortable with anyone touching my child.

We have been trying to convince several family members to come to Hawaii with us for several years but they hate the hassle at the airport and now with the scanners they have decided their flying days are over.

Really no other way to get to Hawaii so no real choice there but we have decided to hit the road in the spring and summer and see some of the natural beauty in our own backyard and skip the airport all together.
 
Pat H said:
Hey Beags, I just heard on the news that they are going to start doing the same thing for Amtrak passengers! :rofl:
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:rofl: :eek:

Then they're going to have to buy me at least dinner and flowers before we move into that stage of our relationship.
 
linsj said:
The discussion and links in the Travel and Security forum on FlyerTalk.com on this topic are numerous and enlightening, and I don't have the time to repeat them here. Please check them out.

So far, I've been able to avoid the nude-o-scopes. But I'm sure one of these times I'll be bullied into that line instead of the metal detector. However, I refuse to undergo radiation from machines that have not been independently tested for safety and that radiologists and medical personnel advise against using. Maybe if you fly only once a year, they're not a health problem, only an invasion of privacy. But for those of us who fly frequently, they are likely to cause cancer in a few years. (Of course, nobody knows for sure because they haven't been tested; instead, we're the guinea pigs.) The TSA is using invasive pat downs akin to sexual assault to intimidate people into going through the new machines.

So our choices have become:
(1) Get radiated.
(2) Endure groping that would be sexual assault in other context.
(3) Quit flying.

I can't quit flying totally because it's necessary for my business. But I'm canceling leisure trips and driving when I can. Next year I'll drop from UA 1K to 1P status, and it's likely I won't keep 1P in 2012 if this security theater continues.

I'm not flying the day before Thanksgiving, but I support National Opt-out Day, http://www.optoutday.com.
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Agreed. I support opting out everyday for my health, privacy and to protect my personal property (you can lose your wallet and more while you are distracted by the nude-o-scopes). My choice is #3 when it comes to future leisure trips. I will cancel my 2011 Hawaii and Orlando exchanges before we reach the 60 day mark. There are plenty of other vacations we can get to by car. If I must travel, then I reluctantly choose #2 for myself and I leave the wife and kids at home. IMHO, the NEW enhanced pat down procedure is TSA (total sexual assault).
 
If enough people stop flying because of these procedures, I may finally be able to upgrade to first class.:clap:

Cheers
 
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