Points Assigned vs Points to Reserve [Merged with a points-assigned thread]

Armada · Jun 20, 2010

Barony Gold Oceanfront

Points Assigned 3725
Points to Reserve 4000
Percentage Assigned Points vs Points to Reserve 93.1%

TheTimeTraveler · Jun 20, 2010

Can someone with the correct knowledge please post the "Points Assigned" charge in this thread?

I can't seem to access it (I expect due to the busy activity with people getting into it).

Thanks.

abdibile · Jun 20, 2010

Willow Ridge Lodge (Branson) Platinum:

* Points Assigned 1850

* Points to Reserve in Platinum season:
* 16 weeks at 2400 points
* 13 weeks at 1675 points
* 4 weeks at 900 points
* average: 1932.6

* Percentage Assigned Points vs average Points to Reserve 95.7%
* Percentage Assigned Points vs Points of peak week (I always reserved...) 77.1%

abdibile · Jun 20, 2010

TheTimeTraveler said:
Can someone with the correct knowledge please post the "Points Assigned" charge in this thread?

There is no chart yet, every owner can only see the points value of his ownership when he starts the enrollment process.

floyddl · Jun 20, 2010

Platinum Plus Oceanfront July 4th week at Oceanwatch:

Points offered: 5025
Points to reserve: 5400
Percentage: 93.05

floyddl · Jun 20, 2010

abdibile said:
There is no chart yet, every owner can only see the points value of his ownership when he starts the enrollment process.

Looks like early returns reflect that Marriott is skimming 7% on the points values.

hipslo · Jun 20, 2010

mountainside : 5350 points assigned, 6900 points to reserve (so I have read, I still cant seem to access the pdf with the point charts) - 77.5%!!!!

abdibile · Jun 20, 2010

abdibile said:
Willow Ridge Lodge (Branson) Platinum:

* Points Assigned 1850

* Points to Reserve in Platinum season:
* 16 weeks at 2400 points
* 13 weeks at 1675 points
* 4 weeks at 900 points
* average: 1932.6

* Percentage Assigned Points vs average Points to Reserve 95.7%
* Percentage Assigned Points vs Points of peak week (I always reserved...) 77.1%

We should add another interesting data point:

Maintenance fee per Point assigned: $774/1850 = 42 cents/point

natstr · Jun 20, 2010

Desert Springs Villa I

Platinum Season

Points Offered: 3,225

Points Required: 4,225 (for vast majority of platinum season)

Percentage: 76%

Ouch.

dioxide45 · Jun 20, 2010

How is points to reserve determined? Is the the minimum number of points for the season you own, the maximum, or what?

caterina25 · Jun 20, 2010

Aruba Surf Club
platinum oceanside 2BR LO
points assigned 4,075
points needed to use 4,650
87.6% a loss of 12.4 %

abdibile · Jun 20, 2010

Please everyone calculate an average of the weeks in your season and provice the peek points for comparison.

dioxide45 said:
How is points to reserve determined? Is the the minimum number of points for the season you own, the maximum, or what?

dioxide45 · Jun 20, 2010

abdibile said:
Please everyone calculate an average of the weeks in your season and provice the peek points for comparison.

I think it would be good to see the max amount, the min amount, and then the average. If someone is real intuitive, they could do this for all the resorts and then people only need to post their worth. I could be that intuitive if I had the time.

IngridN · Jun 20, 2010

Grand Chateau, 1 bedroom, New Year's Plat+ week:

assigned: 2975
needed to reserve: 3175

Shadow Ridge, 2 bedroom, gold season

assigned: 2325
needed to reserve: 2450, 3175, 4000 (4000 is Thanksgiving week which is gold in Phase I (Villages) and Plat or Plat+ in Phase II (Enclaves)

Aruba Surf Club, 2 bedroom, Oceanside, gold season

assigned: 3075
needed to reserve: 2750 or 3500 (we are always there during the 3500 cost timeframe!)

Ingrid

dougp26364 · Jun 20, 2010

TheTimeTraveler said:
Can someone with the correct knowledge please post the "Points Assigned" charge in this thread?

I can't seem to access it (I expect due to the busy activity with people getting into it).

Thanks.

Try this link http://veljovich.com/tugpoints/points_charts.pdf

dougp26364 · Jun 20, 2010

Ocean Pointe 3 bedroom silver season:
Points recieved 4,225
Points required 5,900

Marriott's skim 1,675 points
Skim percentage 28% or 72% whichever way you want to look at it. I look at it as Marriott taking 28% of what should be MY points.

ArtsieAng · Jun 20, 2010

paulaf52 said:
Aruba Surf Club
platinum 2BR LO
points assigned 4,075
points needed to use 4,650

I own the same unit. That's about 88%

dougp26364 · Jun 20, 2010

Marriott's Grand Chateau 3 bedroom Platinum season:

Points assigned 4,625
Points to reserve 5,225

Marriott's Skim 600 points

Percentage 11%

Apparently, Marriott is a lot like the old bosses in Vegas. They just figure people are to stupid to do the math. It's nice little profit Marriott's taking off of my hands for the privledge of joining their worst-deal-in-timeshare points program.

lll1929 · Jun 20, 2010

Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Gold 2 bdrm OV

points assigned - 3075
points to reserve - 2750 and 3500

Bad idea Marriott!!

No membership for me!!

IngridN · Jun 20, 2010

lll1929 said:
Marriott Aruba Ocean Club Gold 2 bdrm OV

points assigned - 3075
points to reserve - 2750 and 3500

Bad idea Marriott!!

No membership for me!!

No fair...my Oceanside also gets 3075 points. I'm curious as to what Oceanfront and Gardenview get. Looking at the points chart, OV and OS 'cost' the same...I want the premium I paid for my OS back Marriott :hysterical: .

The more I read, the more I'm convinced I'm getting the shaft.

Ingrid

mjkkb2 · Jun 20, 2010

oceana palms

OV GOld to convert 2625 pts
- to reserve a week (in same season 2900 pts) except as below:
- four week window in September for 2000 pts.

I guess it would be good to convert if we wouldn't mind going in Sept.
Since this resort is mostly undersold, majority of owners will be points owners going forward, thus no availability issues.

hmmm

bw3 · Jun 20, 2010

Grande Ocean points

Grande Ocean oceanside platinum assigned 4200 reserve 4500. Marriott skim = 6.7%. Or Marriott gives 93.3% of actual value.

Grande Ocean oceanside gold assigned 3,325 reserve 3,450-4,500. Marriott skim 3.6% or 26.1%. Marriott gives 96.4% or 73.9% of value.

Frenchman Cove platinum 3 br assigned 5,025 reserve 5,675. Marriott skim 11.5%. Marriott gives 88.5% of value.

Why would anyone at these resorts sign up for this??????????????

timeos2 · Jun 20, 2010

It's not a skim

floyddl said:
Looks like early returns reflect that Marriott is skimming 7% on the points values.

There is no "skim". The value given to each owner each use period reflects the total number of points in the season they own - which has some weeks worth more in absolute terms than others but all are in that season - divided by the total number of weeks and the resulting average value is what you get as an owner. No skim.

Lets do it very simply.

There are 4 Golden weeks. There are 100 total owners. But one is a holiday week. So 3 of the weeks cost 500 points to reserve but the one holiday week costs 700. The total available points to all owners of that season is 220,000. But no one "owns" the super value week - all owners can try to get it - so the value each owner gets is 550. No skim. No one gets the value of the super week on total and no one gets only the lower value. They all get their fair share to use as they please.

If there were deeded use weeks then each of the 3 should get 500 points and the owners of the 4, super week, would get 700. But they all have a right to it & all get the value. Get it?

IngridN · Jun 20, 2010

timeos2 said:
There is no "skim". The value given to each owner each use period reflects the total number of points in the season they own - which has some weeks worth more in absolute terms than others but all are in that season - divided by the total number of weeks and the resulting average value is what you get as an owner. No skim.

Lets do it very simply.

There are 4 Golden weeks. There are 100 total owners. But one is a holiday week. So 3 of the weeks cost 500 points to reserve but the one holiday week costs 700. The total available points to all owners of that season is 220,000. But no one "owns" the super value week - all owners can try to get it - so the value each owner gets is 550. No skim. No one gets the value of the super week on total and no one gets only the lower value. They all get their fair share to use as they please.

If there were deeded use weeks then each of the 3 should get 500 points and the owners of the 4, super week, would get 700. But they all have a right to it & all get the value. Get it?

I get it...I'm not even getting like for like. The trade up ride in II was great while it lasted and I'm not screaming about entitlement. However, when I bought I bought with the understanding that my week would get me a week in the same season at any of the other Marriott resorts. I am being cheated out of theat 'promise.'

Ingrid

Werner Weiss · Jun 20, 2010

Newport Coast Villas

Marriott’s Newport Coast Villas (NCV)
Newport Coast, Newport Beach, California
Platinum

Notes:

At NCV, all villas are 2BR/2BA
There are no view categories
Platinum season is early June through the end of the year, except for July 4 week and week 52, which are fixed weeks.

Marriott Vacation Club Destinations Exchange Program

Points Assigned: 3,475

Points to Reserve:

Early and late summer: 4,225
Percentage Assigned Points vs Points to Reserve: 82.2%

Prime summer (except 4th of July week): 4,725
Percentage Assigned Points vs Points to Reserve: 73.5%

Fall (beginning mid-September): 2,900
Percentage Assigned Points vs Points to Reserve: 119.8%

Week 51 (Christmas): 4,725
Percentage Assigned Points vs Points to Reserve: 73.5%

Points Assigned vs Points to Reserve [Merged with a points-assigned thread]

Armada

TheTimeTraveler

abdibile

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floyddl

floyddl

hipslo

abdibile

natstr

dioxide45

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caterina25

abdibile

dioxide45

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IngridN

dougp26364

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dougp26364

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ArtsieAng

dougp26364

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lll1929

IngridN

mjkkb2

bw3

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IngridN

Werner Weiss