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Changes at the Grand Luxxe/Mayan Riviera Nayarit

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I had started a previous thread on this but thought that it would be more concise to start a new one and keep it strictly to a list of changes in the last year.

There has been a lot of changes here at the Grupo Vidanta's Nuevo Vallarta resort since our last visit in February 2014 and communication from the Vidanta Grupo has been none existent in these regards (but plenty of marketing emails). Basically when you get here it's ... SURPRISE!. Unfortunately the concierges and staff are left holding the bag having to explain after the fact to the many irate members.

So here is a list of changes that we've discovered in the last few days and we feel that you should know before you get here so it isn't more of an irritant than it could be:

- they no longer convert any traveler's checks (apparently this has been the case for the last few months). They were exchanged back in Feb 2014.

- they now charge $25 pesos per bin (free for luggage and stuff but charge for groceries after arrival) at the new arrival/departure area (none of it goes to the staff), you still have to tip the bus boys when they bring it to your room. You can however choose to bring the bags yourselves. We did this but used one bin for the heavy stuff and tipped the bus boys what we would normally tip for bringing in the bags (they're the ones who will bear the brunt of it). I would like to know if anyone knows the actual rules for this. It is still a mystery what is or isn't.

- for the GL members, the cards to do laundry are no longer sold by the concierge on your floor, must go down to the main floor concierge. Why do that? What possible advantage could this possibly bring?

- leaving the resort is a lot more inconvenient: take a shuttle from building to the Santuario, walk to the other side about 100 m (maybe more) take a second shuttle to the Loading Area (Transportation Depot??) where you can either get your car or further out to the Taxi service area (and non shaded parking). This is as far as the shuttles go. You still have to walk over 300m to get to the main gate or 400m to get to the excursion bus stop or Taco's Break. This is too far for my mother and many others who have mobility issues. It can take quite a while on the weekend when there are a lot of people leaving/arriving. It's a 20 minutes walk from the Santuario to the Taxi stand and it requires some walking on the road (not safe).

Can someone who has a car update us as to the rules with the new layout/services/fees?

If anyone has any additional changes that they've observed since last year please append.

None of these items are huge (well maybe forcing people to walk across the Santuario every time can be VERY inconvenient for some) but they can certainly irritate and tarnish an otherwise great vacation.

When combined with the gargantuan snafu of our reservation and the mediocre experience when trying to book the golf, it sent my father onto the warpath (as well as quite a few others that we've met). Most were from the GL and Spa Towers but some were from the GM. I think it's mainly because they're expecting a certain level of service for the money that they had to spend and the increases in the MF each year yet they keep taking more of the amenities away (anyone remember when we used to get coffee and baked goods delivered to your suite every morning; being ferried from the taxi to your building in 1 shuttle or driving up to the building itself ... etc... etc...)
 
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Soleil:

As mentioned in another thread, we will be at GLNV in 5 days and renting a car, so will provide our own .02 when we get there.

Your remark about the bins makes sense if they charge after arrival - I could live with that a bit more as we always do our shopping for the week before check-in.

Thanx for the details!

-john-
 

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Arrrrgh!! Here they go again. They've implemented a new rule... as of today, teenagers (16-19) can only use the gym between 1-3 PM with an adult supervision. I've been going to the GL gym between 8-9 PM with my daughter she's 16 for the past week and they popped this on us this evening. There was no one in the gym tonight, there were 6 people last night in the cardio room (my family made up three of them). The night before there were 4. What the f@*k:mad:

Edit: Just so you know, in the room that I was using, there are over 20 treadmills, at least 10 stair climbers. There are three other rooms just as full of equipment. There were 3 other users two nights ago in the weight room. If I had to guess, all under 25 (except me and the misses of course).
 
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If this was an April fools joke, I'm not laughing.:mad:

Edit: It's not a joke, the concierge has confirmed it. I'm not sure who is behind all these irritating changes but they should be fired. They haven't a clue about customer service. In the past two weeks they've managed to piss off the over 65 and the under 20. The ones in the middle are usually there with one or the other and in my case both :mad::mad::mad:
 
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Oh yeah, almost forgot.

- Golf: they've change the golf tee off process as well (as of today).

Everyone starts at the 1st hole (old hole #10?). We were supposed to tee off at 9:20 but started around 10.

They also changed the order of the holes. Everyone now finishes at the farthest hole (old hole #13) from the Pro Shop. Again, stellar analysis has been used to make this decision.

Edit: the Pro Shop/ Club House is in the partially built Spa Tower.
 
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Update: After talking with the manager of the Gym, I now have what is for the moment the rules. Children (16-18) can go to the Gym :cheer: during non peak hours ( after 1 PM) under adult supervision (must be in the same room). Their staff have been advised and the concierges will receive the update at their weekly meeting. I've suggested that they post the rules at the Gym front desk as well as document them for the concierges. It would avoid a lot of unnecessary arguments and dis-information.

This is the information for the GL Gym, but since I was speaking with the Manager for all the gyms, it might be safe to ASSUME that it is the same for all the gyms. But we all know what can happen when you ASS-U-Me
 

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Grand Luxxe/Riviera Nayarit

Sure do feel your pain. As you mentioned on an earlier post they are a superb marketing department BUT listening to their members.....NOT SO MUCH

Today we received a marketing blurb all about how wonderful their golf program is and then today we get the REAL story from you about how things run. When we were there this past winter we heard numerous complaints about people not being able to get tee times etc. Then, the other day we got another online marketing promotion saying how Vidanta is supporting the next 007 movie being taped in Mexico City. At the same time they do not listen to the concerns of the members.

The other day I commented on Facebook under one of their marketing ads. As suspected they replied back to say they would pass my concerns along to their member services department. And so it goes.......:wall:
 

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About the golf T times...

Sure do feel your pain. As you mentioned on an earlier post they are a superb marketing department BUT listening to their members.....NOT SO MUCH

Today we received a marketing blurb all about how wonderful their golf program is and then today we get the REAL story from you about how things run. When we were there this past winter we heard numerous complaints about people not being able to get tee times etc. Then, the other day we got another online marketing promotion saying how Vidanta is supporting the next 007 movie being taped in Mexico City. At the same time they do not listen to the concerns of the members.

The other day I commented on Facebook under one of their marketing ads. As suspected they replied back to say they would pass my concerns along to their member services department. And so it goes.......:wall:

A member told me in January that she couldn't get a T-time because someone had signed up for over 30 slots and then didn't show up for most of them. But they couldn't use the times that the person didn't show up. It was just a selfish and inconsiderate member messing up the fun for others.
 

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I'm not so sure that's actually what's happening. The way I hear it is they are getting the crap beat out of them with the abundance of free golf certs. That's just is stupid business. We all know the nickel and dime nature at Vida, do you think they wouldn't make the no-show use a cert and then slot another?

If you no-show they are under ZERO obligation to hold it, that is a laughable story. They can get twice the price on no-shows. I suspect the member you met was also trying to use a free golf cert. had they been a cash customer they would have Tee'd up.
 

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On our last full day:bawl: I will update what I can.

There has been only one reversal on the changes: youths 16-18 can use the gyms non peak time after 1PM with adult supervision (originally 1-3 PM).

The grocery charges are still there ($25 pesos per bin) but you can carry your own if you so choose (tax on those who are less than mobile).

You have to take 2 shuttles to get off the premises and walk 300 m to outside gate (tax on those who are less than mobile).

You still have to go to the Lobby to get your wash cards (just to annoy us).

The golf is still a mess, you do have to book 60 days before your arrival; if you wait until you get there you'll be playing after 11 if at all. You do however have a chance at slipping in with a threesome if you're by yourself but you must be very patient and hang around the pro shop. There are fees for no show (if you are paying) and you do lose your place if you are late. If you are really late don't even bother asking to be let in until there is an opening.

There is definitely valet parking and non valet parking, just don't know what the fees are.

That said, excluding the headaches from head office, our vacation was fantastic, perfect weather, amazing service from the staff, the premises were great.

Pool skimming should be increased when there are above average usage; a couple of times the accumulation of sun cream on the surface was disgusting. This was the busiest we've ever seen NV during Easter week.
 

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My .02

We have 3 more days at GLNV - checking out on Saturday, then to Garza Blanca for a night.

Out kids are only 8 and 10, so no interest/need for the gym. Brio is very nice, but for the past few days when I've been there in the morning, someone made their kids sit outside Brio while they were inside exercising - looked like a son and daughter between 12 - 16. Felt sorry for them that the parents made them sit outside - some parents are just jerks..

Did not get charged for bins, but the only time we used them was on check-in, and if they would have charged me, I would have gone non-linear as we arrived at 3:30 and the morons didn't put our goods in a refrigerator, and we couldn't get into our unit until exactly at 5:00, so our frozen goods weren't frozen anymore... Even though they said someone was in there cleaning it, they were full of BS - we went up to our room and it was empty for the time prior to 5:00 as my wife waiting on the 8th floor of GL3 until the unit was available (we had winter clothes on and didn't want to walk around the property). Much prefer the Royal's policy that you can drop your things off in the unit, even though it may not be cleaned yet. For our trips to the grocery store after the first time, we just carried our groceries in, so didn't encounter the bin issue then either.

The two shuttles to everywhere sucks a** - we pretty much walk everywhere as there is a new bridge between GL3/4 to Santurio and the walk is only 5 min, versus waiting 15 mins (or more) for a cart with room to fit everyone in our party.

For using the washing machines, the Concierge on our floor started the machines and charged out room, so no visit to the lobby.

Valet parking is ~320 pesos for the week. Consider it nickel and diming, but it is what it is.... Would do self parking, but didn't seem to be offered.

As Soleil has mentioned, weather has been fantastic. Have not had any problems with the pool. They did open a new pool by GL 4,5,Residences, but it is half the size of the Punta pool and pool by GL1 and was PACKED due to proximity to all the rooms over there, so even though it was closer to our room, we bailed - way too small for the number of rooms near it.

Will post a full review when vacation is over to compare/contrast it to Royal's Grand Residences as it seems these two properties are aiming for the top-tier of timeshare properties.

-john-
 

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My wife said the charge was 195 pesos for 3 loads, so 65 pesos per load. 2 washers and dryers per floor, at least in GL3.

John
 

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We had ice cream and frozen chicken when we moved from the GM to GL 2 and the bin was kept cold ( ice cream wasn't even soft). From 10 am to 4 PM.

The staff are still iffy on the various new rules. Thus the various experiences.

I must agree that some parents need parenting classes while some may force their kids to sit outside the gym, others ignore them completely while they run amok everywhere causing mischief. At one point one particular group were running and climbing over the arial walkways into the "jungle" having the security staff to constantly chase after them (until the youngest imitating them fell and got some significant scratches that required medical attention. Some of the plants have a lot of vicious thorns.

We had to see the medical staff twice during our stay and I can't say enough good things about he amazing staff there. The cost for prescriptions was very affordable compared to back home.

We went twice to the new GL pool (the piña coladas were better) but the wife preferred the MP pool.

The new GL Kids Zone is not as large as the GM and there aren't as many kids there but the staff is better trained and security is much higher. I'm not sure but you must pay to gain access to the kids pool area while it's free at the GM. $150 for the day at GM $200 pesos at the GL. Lunch included.

Belor, how are the waves ? They were significantly bigger the first two weeks we were there.

You might try to do the turtle release with the kids one night. It's inexpensive and I'm not sure who enjoyed it more the kids or the wife. Get the tickets at the GL Kids zone at 9:30 Monday -Friday.

We found the beach a lot of fun. The wife and I really enjoyed the "romantic diner" at the punta arena. They set up a single table on the beach. We can strongly recommend the crispy Shrimp entree and the pistachio concoction for desert ( takes 30 minutes to make). There is a surcharge of $1,300 pesos for the table setup but we still found it worthwhile.
 

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Carts to the front entrance resumes

We arrived at Grand Luxxe yesterday. Good news. Carts are now operating to the Front Entrance. Take a cart to Santuario, then a cart to the Taxi Lobby. Walk 30 or 40 feet across the Taxi Lobby and hop on the cart to the Front Entrance. There are several carts running and no wait.

Speaking of taxis, all taxis now arrive at a new covered Taxi Receiving Station with Lobby. Your luggage is unloaded to be taken to your room and you are escorted to the Lobby where you catch a cart to your building for check-in. The old taxi receiving area has been abandoned.

We were also surprised to find that the Golf Pro Shop has relocated to Building 5. The starter, golf carts, bag storage etc are all at Building 5. The guess is that the old Pro Shop which is emptied out will be a restaurant but no one knows for sure. The Pro Shop told us the old number 13 hole is now hole number 1 and everyone starts from hole 1.

We are not doing an update but if I hear anything else, I will let you know.
 
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Vida Style

I have a question about Pool access. I read on VRBO and other listings that there is something called boutique style, which you stay on the grounds of the GL and Vida Style, which you can visit the GM, MP, etal pools. Is there a charge for Vida Style?

I remember staying at GL and GM, in Riviera Maya, and the GL and GM guests can use the MP pools, but not vice versa.
 

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Keep the helpful updates coming, we check in on Friday
 
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