Anyone heard of Bayview International Properties?

rockotoo · Apr 23, 2015

They claim to have been in business since 1999, but I find no references to them on the TUG website, or via Google.

Anyone dealt with them? Please, no "Don't trust anyone..." type of posts - I've seen plenty of those! Just reply if you know of these people - good or bad.

Thanks!!

www.bayview-international.com

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

What are they offering you? Without the terms, it's impossible to answer your question.

Their website was created 2 mos. ago - what's that tell you?

Created Date : 2015-02-03

There is a simple rule for timeshare offers: If there is an upfront fee (more than a small registration fee) that's a huge red flag. Upfront fee companies don't care if the rent/sell your timeshare because THEY ALREADY HAVE YOUR MONEY!

TUGBrian · Apr 23, 2015

do they raise any red flags here?
http://tug2.net/timeshare_advice/timeshare_company_legitimate.html

rickandcindy23 · Apr 23, 2015

This person doesn't want any honest feedback, apparently. And no info as to what they promise.

Please, no "Don't trust anyone..." type of posts - I've seen plenty of those!

rockotoo · Apr 23, 2015

Here's their offer - I'm very skeptical, but there's no mention of up front money. I'm not planning to pursue it unless I get some positive feedback from this forum.

rickandcindy - I said that because I have no desire to start another long-winded thread - I just want to know if anyone has any real information about them.

DeniseM - Thanks! That does tell me a lot! That is real information!

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The offer:
Bayview International Properties guarantees the sale of your Club Velas Vallarta Vacation membership. BIP has contracts to provide inventory to companies that manage events and conventions worldwide as we have access to inventory from resorts in top destinations.

This document assumes that all information to be accurate and true to the best of the owner´s knowledge. Seller must provide proof of ownership or deed.

The amount of $36,310.00 USD will be paid to the owner before the transfer of ownership; final funding will take place within 30 to 45 days from the time the BVI exclusive sales agreement has been signed.

Bayview International Properties inform the Seller that a 7% commission will be charged once the deal is completed, owner must guarantee to send the 7% commission upon completion of the sale.

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

owner must guarantee to send the 7% commission upon completion of the sale

This is undoubtably a scam, because the property is not worth anywhere near $36K. My prediction is that they are going to ask you for bogus upfront fees, and disappear with the fees. Based on the wording, they may ask you to put the 7% commission into a bogus "escrow," Acct.

RUN!!!!

Passepartout · Apr 23, 2015

Since you don't actually 'own' anything, how are you going to provide "proof of ownership, or deed"? You merely have a 'Right to Use' X number of weeks over X number of years. It's a vacation club.

AND, why don't they simply go to eBay and get all the Mexican timeshares they could possibly want at a buck apiece instead of offering you $36K? I'll tell you. 7% of 36K is roughly $2500, which they want you to guarantee upfront. THAT's what they want. You'll be out $2500 and still have the timeshare AND it's attendant fees.

Jim

Jason245 · Apr 23, 2015

rockotoo said:
Here's their offer - I'm very skeptical, but there's no mention of up front money. I'm not planning to pursue it unless I get some positive feedback from this forum.

rickandcindy - I said that because I have no desire to start another long-winded thread - I just want to know if anyone has any real information about them.

DeniseM - Thanks! That does tell me a lot! That is real information!

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The offer:
Bayview International Properties guarantees the sale of your Club Velas Vallarta Vacation membership. BIP has contracts to provide inventory to companies that manage events and conventions worldwide as we have access to inventory from resorts in top destinations.

This document assumes that all information to be accurate and true to the best of the owner´s knowledge. Seller must provide proof of ownership or deed.

The amount of $36,310.00 USD will be paid to the owner before the transfer of ownership; final funding will take place within 30 to 45 days from the time the BVI exclusive sales agreement has been signed.

Bayview International Properties inform the Seller that a 7% commission will be charged once the deal is completed, owner must guarantee to send the 7% commission upon completion of the sale.

Counter the offer by saying the following:

"I will sell the unit for that price, but instead of sending you only $2500 in comission, you can keep $10,000 of the proceeds as your commision for you good work and just send me a check for $26,310.00 (less all other transfer fees) once the deal closes. "

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

Jason245 said:
Counter the offer by saying the following:

"I will sell the unit for that price, but instead of sending you only $2500 in comission, you can keep $10,000 of the proceeds as your commision for you good work and just send me a check for $26,310.00 (less all other transfer fees) once the deal closes. "

Unless you just have a lot of time on your hands - this will be a waste of time. They will give you a million reasons why they have to do it their way, and ultimately, it won't happen.

TUGBrian · Apr 23, 2015

is definitely one of the more common scams out there and a variation of the ancient "send me the difference" scam.

Jason245 · Apr 23, 2015

DeniseM said:
Unless you just have a lot of time on your hands - this will be a waste of time. They will give you a million reasons why they have to do it their way, and ultimately, it won't happen.

You send a quick reply with that statement, they reply with reasons, you reply with "It doesn't look like we are going to have a deal here then" and stop responding.

Total time spent 2 quick e-mails.

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

Jason245 said:
You send a quick reply with that statement, they reply with reasons, you reply with "It doesn't look like we are going to have a deal here then" and stop responding.

Total time spent 2 quick e-mails.

Why bother?

Jason245 · Apr 23, 2015

DeniseM said:
Why bother?

If I told you that for $1 I would give you a chance to win $50 Million, would you spend the dollar?

Millions of people do every day.

If for only 2 e-mails you could potentially get $20k, what would you do?

DeniseM · Apr 23, 2015

There is no potential to get anything - this is an obvious scam. There is no point in continuing to interact with these people, and the more you lead them on, the more likely they are to keep bugging you.

Now, some people enjoy scamming the scammer, but I'm not one of them.

Saintsfanfl · Apr 23, 2015

rockotoo said:
BIP has contracts to provide inventory to companies that manage events and conventions worldwide as we have access to inventory from resorts in top destinations.

rockotoo said:
The amount of $36,310.00 USD will be paid to the owner before the transfer of ownership

rockotoo said:
Bayview International Properties inform the Seller that a 7% commission will be charged once the deal is completed, owner must guarantee to send the 7% commission upon completion of the sale.

Each of these three statements are always a scam. You don't need any real feedback from anyone regarding this company. It's impossible for the deal to be real. You might not realize this without full understanding of the situation but we do.

You don't find anything on the company name because they used a different name in the past. Fraud companies have to keep changing the dba in order to fetch new fish because reasonable people such as yourself will google all the scam warning posts.

LannyPC · Apr 23, 2015

rockotoo said:
Bayview International Properties inform the Seller that a 7% commission will be charged once the deal is completed, owner must guarantee to send the 7% commission upon completion of the sale.

Even if this were a legitimate deal, their 7% commission would come out of the proceeds of the sale. So IOW, the so-called buyer would send the $36,000 to the closing company. The closing company would then disburse the funds to the proper recipients including you and BIP. The seller never pays commission out of his pocket.

The other way these scammers try to get you is to tell you that all commissions will be paid out of the proceeds of the sale. Then they tell you that they have found a buyer, they have a cashier's cheque on their table with your name on it but you have to pay a transfer tax and the government requires that you pay that tax before the cheque can be released to you.

As for your question in your OP, we get these questions here on TUG weekly "Has anyone ever heard of...?" A lot of times we have not because these scam companies change their name often. Rather than asking about the name, a better way to do it is to find out what they are offering. That's an easier way to tell if it's a scam.

MuranoJo · Apr 23, 2015

rockotoo said:
BIP has contracts to provide inventory to companies that manage events and conventions worldwide as we have access to inventory from resorts in top destinations.

Another tip: Companies don't buy or rent timeshares for use with events and conventions. Typically they book discounted blocks of rooms in hotels. (I have a lot of experience with event management in Corp. America.)

Saintsfanfl · Apr 24, 2015

MuranoJo said:
Another tip: Companies don't buy or rent timeshares for use with events and conventions. Typically they book discounted blocks of rooms in hotels. (I have a lot of experience with event management in Corp. America.)

This is why the first statement I quoted is always a scam. No company in existence in the entire world does this. Timeshare properties don't even have the facilities to handle an event or convention. The logistics of booking the needed blocks of timeshares would be impossible and a company can't take over the common areas of a property and nor would they want to.

theo · Apr 24, 2015

Timeshare conventions and conventions at timeshares...

Saintsfanfl said:
<snip> Timeshare properties don't even have the facilities to handle an event or convention. The logistics of booking the needed blocks of timeshares would be impossible and a company can't take over the common areas of a property and nor would they want to.

Agreed on all counts. 100% scam, no question.

Remember the mythical brokers "Samuel Kaplan" and "Sam Avner" (from the long-running "hearing impaired buyer" scam)? They were allegedly always away "at a timeshare convention in Cairo, Egypt", but even that (non-existent, of course) timeshare convention was never represented as actually being held at a timeshare.

Saintsfanfl · Apr 24, 2015

The company website was created on 2/3/15 by someone going by the name of Arthur Black. Arthur Black is going to be a fake name, which should be obvious. Then again criminals have been known to do some pretty stupid things.

Googling the phone number reveals at least a few complaints in the short amount of time of this operation.

Howard reported Leisure Resort Specialist from 415-691-4326 as a Scammer/Fraudster
Mar 27th 2015 - 11:20:14am PDT
Numerous calls finally answered one and it is a scam of the finest kind. put them away....

Valerie Lopez reported Leisure Resort Specialist from 415-691-4326 as a Scammer/Fraudster
Apr 5th 2011 - 11:31:54am PDT
Time Share Fraud activities claim to be working with Bancomer. Not true. They will take your money.

Leroy - 03-27-2015
SCAM SCAM SCAM

Caller type: Scammer
Caller: cHERYL
Company: Bayside

From the above call reports we know that the fraudsters were still using the previous company name but calling from the new number. This is a common mistake scammers make when they switch names. It's hard to keep the lies straight. The old Leisure Resort Specialist website has been taken down but I did find a tug thread.

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135518

The last post is from a potential victim. They were just like the OP. They needed convincing and eventually realized the truth and saved a load of money.

violetdavooh said:
don't give any $ to Leisure Resorts
Sorry but I no longer have the name of the "buyer". Correct that this is a scam. All they want is money up front and all they give are empty promises. Into the garbage our "contract" went. You wouldn't believe the money they ended up asking for , even though we said we would give NOTHING up front. Once they realized we weren't going to wire any money they totally disappeared.
I am sorry for the folks who are getting ripped off. Thanks to all of you for your very helpful advise. It sure saved us money!!

Hopefully this new thread prevents a handful of potential victims from being taken.

rockotoo · Apr 24, 2015

I was 99.8% sure it was the same old scam - maybe even 99.9%.

But they hadn't yet asked for any money up front, which put a tiny bit of interest in my pointy head.

Thanks for all your comments and ideas. I will probably spend 2 more minutes with them, sending them a nasty email, which they will just ignore. Maybe, though, it will make me feel better! :hysterical:

OP

Saintsfanfl · Apr 24, 2015

rockotoo said:
I was 99.8% sure it was the same old scam - maybe even 99.9%. But they hadn't yet asked for any money up front, which put a tiny bit of interest in my pointy head.

Thanks for all your comments and ideas. I will probably spend 2 more minutes with them, sending them a nasty email, which they will just ignore. Maybe, though, it will make me feel better! :hysterical:

OP

They will never ask for any money until there is a contract and the victim perceives the sale and subsequent payment as imminent. It increases their chances of getting paid.

On the flip side the more "legitimate" up front fee companies will many times require the money up front before they do much of anything, and they will never promise huge proceeds from a sale. The company above is pure criminal and fraud. The "legitimate" up front fee companies might be frowned upon but they are "usually" within the law and work to accomplish something to relieve the timeshare in one way or another. Some of these companies sit in the grey area and some cross over the fraudulent line.

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