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Points System and Lockoffs? - More Points?

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I am a legacy owner of a 2 bedroom unit at KoOlina. I can lock off the unit.

Let us say I enroll. Can I lock off the unit (without extra charge), and then deposit the points attributed to the 1 bedroom section, and the guestroom (efficiency/studio) section separately, and get more points than if I deposit the 2 bedroom unit collectively?
 
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seema said:
I am a legacy owner of a 2 bedroom unit at KoOlina. I can lock off the unit.

Let us say I enroll. Can I lock off the unit (without extra charge), and then deposit the points attributed to the 1 bedroom section, and the guestroom (efficiency/studio) section separately, and get more points than if I deposit the 2 bedroom unit collectively?
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You have to deposit both sides as a single transaction.
 
You can lock off and trade the two parts in II and get two 2 bdrm suites (in a 2bdrm only resort) and get an AC and maybe an XYZ if you are outside the 'plan' but I don't know if you can do this within the plan on the weeks program. That is apparently a 'no no' with points I was told that 'Those days are gone'. I'm afraid I like things the way they were.

If you mean trading for MR points you have to trade the whole suite.

Brian
 
I was told in a conference call with a Marriott DC Advisor and an II rep two weeks ago that the AC's and the XYZ's would be essentially unchaged and available for legacy DC enrolled members. The conference call was set up because the Marriott advisor had never heard of XYZ.
 
Marriott no longer believes in lockoffs, had stopped building them several years ago and the new plan assigns them no value over non lockoff units, which is amazing given their strong sales pitch when we purchased 2
 
seema said:
I am a legacy owner of a 2 bedroom unit at KoOlina. I can lock off the unit.

Let us say I enroll. Can I lock off the unit (without extra charge), and then deposit the points attributed to the 1 bedroom section, and the guestroom (efficiency/studio) section separately, and get more points than if I deposit the 2 bedroom unit collectively?
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Simple answer - NO.
 
Cobra1950 said:
Marriott no longer believes in lockoffs, had stopped building them several years ago and the new plan assigns them no value over non lockoff units, which is amazing given their strong sales pitch when we purchased 2
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They had stopped building them, but when they built Lakeshore Reserve, they had lock offs. With the new point program they have really stifled people booking 1BR and studio units. They are far more expensive than a 2BR.
 
Cobra1950 said:
Marriott no longer believes in lockoffs, had stopped building them several years ago and the new plan assigns them no value over non lockoff units, which is amazing given their strong sales pitch when we purchased 2
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That's what I thought also, however, the current construction of Lakeshore Reserve shows that lockoffs are still alive and well. There are a lot of logistic issues when building lockoffs, one of which includes parking (since a lockoff is considered a separate unit then the parking availability needs to be doubled).

Looks like Dioxide beat me to the punch.

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pwrshift said:
If you mean trading for MR points you have to trade the whole suite.

Brian
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I don't know about other Marriott properties, but the contract for Shadow Ridge Enclaves allows you to deposit your 1 bedroom or your studio for MR points (after paying the lock-off fee). Getting a VOA to understand that is different issue. :)

Cheers!
 
seema said:
I am a legacy owner of a 2 bedroom unit at KoOlina. I can lock off the unit.

Let us say I enroll. Can I lock off the unit (without extra charge), and then deposit the points attributed to the 1 bedroom section, and the guestroom (efficiency/studio) section separately, and get more points than if I deposit the 2 bedroom unit collectively?
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I assume you're asking about Marriott Destinations points (not Marriott Rewards points or II exchanges).

Each year that you elect to deposit your legacy week for Marriott Destinations points, you get a set number of points, based on the type of week you own. You cannot increase the number of points by reserving a high-value week or by locking off and depositing them separately.

You'll currently get 4,950 Marriott Destinations points for the following type of week:

Ko Olina Beach Club
Platinum Floating
Floor Plan: 2BR + 2BA
View Type: Ocean View (NOT penthouse ocean view)​
 
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TheTimeTraveler said:
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That's what I thought also, however, the current construction of Lakeshore Reserve shows that lockoffs are still alive and well. There are a lot of logistic issues when building lockoffs, one of which includes parking (since a lockoff is considered a separate unit then the parking availability needs to be doubled).

Looks like Dioxide beat me to the punch.

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Any thought that Marriott had ever stopped building lockoffs is simply wrong. Lakeshore Reserve is simply the most recent resort with lockoffs, not a return to the prior policy. Other resorts with lockoffs built in the last 3 or 4 years include the new towers in Maui, the newest Ko Olina tower (both lockoffs and non lockoffs there) and Grand Chateau. We have purchased at all three of those. What people may not realize is that in the whole Marriott system, well over half of the resorts have never had lockoffs. I think only something like 15-20 of them have lockoffs. The parking issue is one of the reasons why there are not more resorts with lockoffs.
 
NWL said:
I don't know about other Marriott properties, but the contract for Shadow Ridge Enclaves allows you to deposit your 1 bedroom or your studio for MR points (after paying the lock-off fee). Getting a VOA to understand that is different issue. :)

Cheers!
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If that is true, it must be the only Marriott timeshare resort where that is true. I wonder why they would have done it at Shadow Ridge Enclaves?
 
The lockoff system was one of Marriott best selling points. It's the major reason why I and many others bought the Marriott brand. It was a highly touted sales pitch that in my opinion is 100% correct. With II trades you can often double the number of weeks within the Marriott system using lockoffs.

What a shame that it now seems at risk under the points system. I don't understand their reasoning except for greed. That's why many of us will remain legacy owners and want nothing to do with the points system. And to think that only until recently it was a major reason to buy Marriott. I believe it's also partly to blame for killing the resales. Talk about sowing the seeds of your own destruction. Mama Mia.
 
kjd said:
The lockoff system was one of Marriott best selling points. It's the major reason why I and many others bought the Marriott brand. It was a highly touted sales pitch that in my opinion is 100% correct. With II trades you can often double the number of weeks within the Marriott system using lockoffs.

What a shame that it now seems at risk under the points system. I don't understand their reasoning except for greed. That's why many of us will remain legacy owners and want nothing to do with the points system. And to think that only until recently it was a major reason to buy Marriott. I believe it's also partly to blame for killing the resales. Talk about sowing the seeds of your own destruction. Mama Mia.
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How could you have lock-offs with points? When you buy points, you are no longer buying a week at a resort. You are buying little pieces of a lot of unsold weeks at a lot of resorts.

As far as enrolled legacy owners, you can still lock-off by not electing points in any given year.
 
kjd said:
The lockoff system was one of Marriott best selling points. It's the major reason why I and many others bought the Marriott brand. It was a highly touted sales pitch that in my opinion is 100% correct. With II trades you can often double the number of weeks within the Marriott system using lockoffs.

What a shame that it now seems at risk under the points system. I don't understand their reasoning except for greed. That's why many of us will remain legacy owners and want nothing to do with the points system. And to think that only until recently it was a major reason to buy Marriott. I believe it's also partly to blame for killing the resales. Talk about sowing the seeds of your own destruction. Mama Mia.
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I agree lock-offs are great! But they haven't always been necessary to ensure Marriott's success and I don't think a lack of them has had any effect on the resale market - look at Hilton Head Island. Marriott has 8 successful resorts there despite the zoning laws not allowing lock-offs. For those of us who love Hilton Head and followed the old adage of "buy where you want to stay," the fact that we couldn't buy lock-offs there made no difference in our decision to purchase.
 
BocaBoy said:
If that is true, it must be the only Marriott timeshare resort where that is true. I wonder why they would have done it at Shadow Ridge Enclaves?
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It is true. My contract states that a SRII Platinum (Two Bedroom Deluxe Lock-Off Unit only) receives 110,000 MRPs for the entire unit, 65,000 for the Master suite only, and 45,000 MRPs for the Lock-off. This is only true for the units that include the Deluxe Lock-off. You may want to review your contract to see if any of your units have the same deal.

Cheers!
 
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