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Starwood II Trade Test [Deposits under new rules show 50% fewer units!]

On the same subject as the OT:
How many of you can see the Westins on Maui that were on Sightings today? Starr posted some on Maui and Kauai, and I wonder if you can see what is there right now. Can we post your answers under the postings Starr entered this morning?
 
Here's a LINK to the Maui Sighting! :hi:
 
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gmarine said:
You can deposit your week any day in the year of your usage and trading power remains the same.
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George, I would just add that I was told if you have a reservation and wanted to deposit the week, you had up until 24 hours prior to the resevation to cancel and deposit (with no trade power impact/limitations the way there is with any other TS deposit).

So, it would make even more sense to book that highly demanded March or New Year's week and put it up for rent with less risk. In the past, a person had to play "chicken" up until that 60 day mark and see if they wanted to deposit so as to not have a restricted deposit or continue their luck hoping it rented before the check-in date. Now if it doesn't rent, I just cancel and rebook or deposit. This would actually be worse for II because they could get nothing, no exchange fee revenue and Starwood gets a very last minute availability that they are now forced to try to rent out, literally the day before check-in AND they have to give II a generic deposit - a potential double whammy
 
Pacman (Gary) and I did another SDO trade test tonight.

Here are my results-

Trade test - Hawaii Nov. 2009 - Nov. 2011
SDO - Lg. 1 bdm. deposited week 10 (old rules)

(I can see exactly the same weeks with my non-deposited fixed week 16 SVR week.)

8 resorts - 10 units


The Gardens at West Maui -
1 4 4

The Kona Coast Resort Phase II - (Premiere)
1 4 4

Ke Nani Kai -
2 6 6
1 4 4

The Cliffs Club - (Premiere)
1 4 4

Maui Banyan Vacation Club - (Select)
e 2 2

Pahio At Ka Eo Kai -
e 2 2

The Kona Coast Resort Interval Ownership - (Select)
1 4 4

Marriott's Ko Olina (Premiere)
e 2 4
e 2 4
 
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This is my SDO Lg. 1 bdm. floating week 2009 "shell" (not deposited.)

4 resorts - 5 units

The Kona Coast Resort Phase II (Premiere)
1 4 4

The Cliffs Club (Premiere)
1 4 4

The Kona Coast Resort Interval Ownership (Premiere)
1 4 4

Marriott's Ko Olina (Premiere)
e 2 4
e 2 4
 
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Here's my comparison with Denise.
with my one bedroom (large side) SDO platinum week
new rules

4 resorts 5 weeks total

Kona Coast Resort Phase II
1 - 1bdrm

Cliffs Club
1 - 1 bdrm

Kona Coast Resort Interval Ownership
1 - 1 bdrm

Marriott Ko Olina
2 - studios

pacman
 
So Gary, it looks like my nondeposited floating week and your deposited Plat week can see exactly the same units, even though your Plat week has a higher trading designation than my floating week.

Neither one of them see the same number of units as my old deposit, but they do seem to both see all the same Premier resorts.

I don't understand why my nondeposited fixed SVR week can see the Select units and my nondeposited floating SDO week cannot....weird....

That's good to know, because now I can compare my new rules 2009 week, to my old rules 2010 week, and do trade tests with myself! :D

Thanks Gary!
 
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2009 Deposited SVR Lakes 2 bdrm vs. 2010 "Assigned" SVR Lakes 2 bdrm
to KAA 04/01/10 to 06/30/10

2010 Assigned unit pulled
17 total units
6 Studio
11 One bedroom

2009 Deposited unit pulled
25 total units
6 Studio
13 One bedroom
6 Two bedroom

:wall:
 
mitchandjeanette said:
2009 Deposited SVR Lakes 2 bdrm vs. 2010 "Assigned" SVR Lakes 2 bdrm
to KAA 04/01/10 to 06/30/10

2010 Assigned unit pulled
17 total units
6 Studio
11 One bedroom

2009 Deposited unit pulled
25 total units
6 Studio
13 One bedroom
6 Two bedroom
:wall:
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WOW! That is a significant difference! :(

Is this a fixed week or floating?
 
M&J --

Which week was deposited for 2009?

Is the week part of SVN?

Thanks,
Jerseygirl

Oops -- just saw your post above that the week is not in SVN.
 
I would print the proof of these differences (to show harm) and file an official complaint, using this form:

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/DBPR/lsc/documents/complaint_english.pdf

Join those of us who are attempting to make Starwood prove they had the legal authority to change the rules for non-SVN owners. Several of us have asked for documentation that they had the legal right to do this (via Deeds, CCRs, amendments to same) and they have so far failed to provide it.

Don't just sit back and take it ... that's what they're counting on.
 
mitchandjeanette said:
home season = prime
ownership type = annual float
non SVN unit
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Was the 2009 week deposited before or after the rules changed in August? Since 2009 is nearly over, I assumed that you deposited it under the old rules?
 
Fredm said:
Denise,

the 2009 week was deposited.
the 2010 week was not.
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Yes - but was the 2009 week deposited under the OLD RULES or the new rules? - that is the real distinction.

BTW- With my undeposited week, I can see the same exchanges as an owner who deposited under the new rules. We have done several trade tests, so I don't think there is the same trading power difference between deposited and undeposited weeks, under the new rules.
 
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mitchandjeanette said:
Your assumption was correct, it was deposited under the old rules.
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So this is the clear difference between the value of an "old rules" deposit and a "new rules" deposit.
 
DeniseM said:
BTW- With my undeposited week, I can see the same exchanges as an owner who deposited under the new rules. We have done several trade tests, so I don't think there is the same trading power difference between deposited and undeposited weeks, under the new rules.
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I posted a test I did this week elsewhere on TUG (http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109954), where my undeposited week does not pull the same weeks as a generic week listed in my SVN account. Neither are "deposited" yet are showing different results. For example:

Okay... so I just tested again. Using my private II account, my SVR/Falls week 20 for 2011 sees lots of weeks, but absolutely no 2-bed units. The same is true for my SVR/Falls week 49 2010.

Now it seems my SVN/II account has changed, and now I also see the placeholder weeks (even though I have fixed SVR weeks...). Using these for test trades with WPV, for 2011 I see *NO* 2-bed units. Crazily, the same search using the 2010 fictitious week *DOES* see 2-bed units. I tried this several times, and it makes no sense. The further out the week is the stronger the trade should be, but this search is the opposite. The 2010 week is pulling many more (and the 2-bed units) while the 2011 week doesn't look good at all. I even tried changing the week (you can select which you'd like to use, though I have no idea if that makes any difference).

The good news is that the bulk deposits continue. The bad news is that it's not consistent at all.
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Ken - I did a trade test with Pacman, and my undeposited SDO 2009 week trades the same as his new rules deposited SDO 2009 week - so maybe the results vary from resort to resort, too?
 
djyamyam said:
George, I would just add that I was told if you have a reservation and wanted to deposit the week, you had up until 24 hours prior to the resevation to cancel and deposit (with no trade power impact/limitations the way there is with any other TS deposit).
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Has this been confirmed by others? I have a New Years' week reservation that I may not be be able to use or rent. If it's the case that I can wait until the last minute to decide whether or not to deposit, this would be good to know. Also, I'll have a "new rules" deposit to test out. :rolleyes:

Glorian
 
grgs said:
Has this been confirmed by others? I have a New Years' week reservation that I may not be be able to use or rent. If it's the case that I can wait until the last minute to decide whether or not to deposit, this would be good to know. Also, I'll have a "new rules" deposit to test out. :rolleyes:

Glorian
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Yes, and you have until the last day of the year to deposit it with no penalty.
 
How has RCI been handling deposits? Are they also allowing Starwood to choose the week, and we get so-so trading power?

I have two July weeks reserved at SBP and hope to get a great exchange to Hawaii or DVC with one of them, possibly.
 
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